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Old July 22nd, 2002, 05:33 PM
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Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

Mujhe aaj tak pata nahin chala hai ki Chakke/Hijare kaisey paida hotey hain?

Kya janm se hi unmein koi vyang hota hain?

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Old July 22nd, 2002, 05:56 PM
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Anyway a eunuch or a dwarf or a child with gigantism can be born to any couple and no body knows kee kiskay yahaan paidaa ho jaaye .


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Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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Mujhe aaj tak pata nahin chala hai ki Chakke/Hijare kaisey paida hotey hain?

Kya janm se hi unmein koi vyang hota hain?

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jaise saare log paida hote hain, waise hei. if you want some tricks to have them i am sorry but you will need help of genetic engineering for that.
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Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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Mujhe aaj tak pata nahin chala hai ki Chakke/Hijare kaisey paida hotey hain?

Kya janm se hi unmein koi vyang hota hain?

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Achha ....abhi thoda TRANSLATION karo bhai mere.....humaari samajh main nahin aaya!

What is 'vyang'?
Is it Whang?

Yaar koi is bhai ke post translation karne ko volunteer karen...........PLEASE!
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Going by the sense of this post , Vyang means - anything wrong maybe with their genetic code, or the way he/she was norished in the womb or some other deficiency ..

DISCLAIMER- May be right, maybe not
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Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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Mujhe aaj tak pata nahin chala hai ki Chakke/Hijare kaisey paida hotey hain?

Kya janm se hi unmein koi vyang hota hain?

Kripya gambhirta poorvak uttar de.
Ask your family doctor!!!!

Ek doosare tareeke se bhee chhakkon ki sankhya badhtee hai. Chhakke chikne ladko ko kidnap kar le jaate hain (mauka milne par) aur unka Aujaar kat kar unko chhakka bana dete hain. baad men unko full training dete hain chhakke kee tarah life gujaarne kee. kabhi kabhi to Aujaar katne ke baad chikne ladke mar bhee jaate hain. Kabhi kabhi koi chikna ladke khud hee chhakkon kee mandalee men shamil ho jaate hain apnee marjee se.


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Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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Mujhe aaj tak pata nahin chala hai ki Chakke/Hijare kaisey paida hotey hain?
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kya chakke ke parents are chakke too?
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Re: Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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to add:

kya chakke ke parents are chakke too?
AGar chakkay kay parents bhee chakkay hotaytoh , unkay bacchaa kaisay paidaa hotaa ?


Haan bacchaa paidaa karnay kay baad voh chakka bun saktay hain , agar voh chaahein toh .

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Re: Re: Chhakke kaise paida hotey hain?

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i hope this solves ur problem...

a brief introduction...a human consists of 46 chromosomes ...now 23 comes from man n another 23 from female...now we will break these individual chromosomes...dont worry..justthe last one...so a
man contributes : 22+XY gene ( XY characterise male part n is known as male sex gene)
female contributes: 22+XX (XX characterise female part n its female sex gene)

now this XY gene n XX gene is present is the sperm (men) n ova (female) respectively...

letz c how they fuse together

XX XY from parents
/ \ / \
X X X Y gametes


XX XY XX XY all possible combinations

gal boy gal boy

so to speak there r 50-50% chances what sex will be born

special cases..scientifically called hermophrodies..aur hindi mein chakke

now kabhie kabhie aisa hota hain ki the sex gene fails to segregrate n the resulting combination becomes XXY (XX from mother n Y from father..note dat other combination viz XYY is not poss..atleast this is what i remember)...now this combination contains characteristics of both female n male which u popularly call 'chakkas'...baaki 9 months tak eh bhi pet mein rehte hain n delivery process is also same...n btw they r sterile...i hope humara uttar 'gambhir aur sateek tha
Why the Ultrasounds are not able to detect the eunchs? They are pretty accurate in detecting the gender of babies.
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Old July 23rd, 2002, 11:00 AM
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Thanks vyomkesh

for a scientif explanation.

Yeah it really intrigued me too. I never gave a thought to how 'chakkas' come about. Now that this topic has come up, I remember a TV program long ago by Kamelshwar where some chakkas were invited. Kamleshwar was one fundu guy. He would invite anyone. Like once he invited the hangman from Pune's Yerwada jail. Thats another story for another time.

Well the chakkas being interviewed said that some of them are born that way. And some are converted. They said that many poor fellows feel that they can lead a better and safe from harassment life if they turn chakkas. They have a special ceremony where the male is turned into a chakka. Sop there are two types of chakkas.

One more interesting fact is that you will never see a last rites/ 'Aant-yatra' for a chakka. They always bury their dead in the middle of the night without any fanfare.
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Mujhe batayaa gayaa thaa ki ye chakke chote chote shishuon ko agwaa kar ke unhe apne ruup me parivartit karte hain. Is kaaran mere bachpan me mai inko dur se dekh kar hi sarpat sarpar paun rakh kar bhaag jaataa tha. Kabhi itni himmat nahi hui ki un ke sameep jaaun athavaa un ke saath bait kar vichar vimarsh karun yaa goshti karun is vishay par. Vaise aap ka parashna gambheer aur sarahniya hai kyon ki jin ko aisa avasar milaa ho (chakon se vartaalaap karne ka aur khaas kar is vishay par ya khud hi chake hon) vo is anuthe parshna ka upyukt samadhaan pesh karenge aur hum sab ke gyaan vardhan ke saadhan banenge.
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Ok...if you guys are looking for some serious info, then here goes.

Chhakkas as we know them in India are usually, in the simplest terms, Females trapped in a Male's body. Only a negligible % of them might be hermaphrodites having both male and female sex organs. No offence to Viking, but lets skip hermaphrodites for the time being.

So, these people are born having the body of a male with the relevant body parts including the penis and the testicles. In certain circumstances the private parts are under-developed (not to be confused with Viking's 'Moongphali' case) but in most of the cases they have the parts of a healthy male. But these guys have effeminate tendencies. This is very different from Viking's penchant for wearing women's lingerie in private, coupled with eyelashes, cheap blonde wigs and half-sleeved blouse with Konkani style saris...but we are digressing. So these guys have effeminate tendencies. Similar to what we know as gays or queens in drag out here. But unlike west, in India this is not acceptable. Transexuals are treated as freaks. They don't have secret elite clubs. So, this led to the formation of this cult that we know as "HijroN ki Toli". Viking's friend circle is normally called the same by the mohalla-waalaas but in his case it's totally symbolic. So, these people formed this cult, where all the like-minded and like-bodied people can come together and draw solace from each other's company. They also invented and perfected this unique way to earning money where they demand their rightful dough in wedding and child-birth ceremonies. eNRI had been doing the same lately but blame it on bad Railway season.

The cult to which enuchs belong prays to this particular Deity (I don't remember the name. Viking has it tattooed on his left-shoulder blade, but it is purely a fashion statement), who is supposed to have angered a particular Godded taking bath by emerging out of water where he was supposed to hide his face till the Goddess completed her bath. As a result the deity was cursed by Goddes and his privates disappeared. Hijraas (Yes tinda it is the same as 'HiNjras') pray to this deity. The new members are subjected to an initiation ceremony which involves a kind of swearing-allegiance and dismembering/castration. The traditional way to do this was with the help of a thread (*ouch*), and they used to let the bad flow for a long time as it was supposed to be impure blood carrying away the remnants of the person's sexuality. But nowadays they use the regular medical techniques.

In answer to savera's question.... savera pai, hijroN ka janM usi prakaar aur usi jagah say hota hai jahaan say baaki logoN ka. Janma kay samay, woh shareerik roop say purush hotay haiN. Baad meiN unka pappu aur chintu-mintu cut kar diya jaataa hai.

P.S.: My info on this subject has nothing to do with the fact that I am Viking's best friend. Long back in India I once got in my hands an edition of "Illustrated Weekly" which was wholly devoted to this topic.
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btw... Vyomki's description is correct but not completely. The Chhakkas are not Hermaphrodites. They rather suffer from a genetic condition called the 'Double X Syndrome' or the 'Klinefeltor's Syndrome', where the male has an extra 'X' chromosome and has the combination of 'XXY'. Yeah 10th class meiN padha tha. These are the people who are males showing feminine characteristics including feeble development of breasts.

(Please note that Viking's 34D's are not because of this condition. Those are artificial implants and belong more the 'Hobby' category than some kinda genetic disorder. ANd don't dare think otherwise .. )
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BOss chakkaas are also of two types male chakkas and female chakkas .

Dunno how many of you are aware of it .

In lay man's language , a female chakka looks exactly like a female and u can't figure out by looking , that he / she is a female chakka , though a male chakka looks quite like a male .

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converted males are those males who cant become a prostitute being a male otherwise they ll be another Munnibai of Banaras.

some of the original ones are by birth and some of them are made up by fella eunuchs

the cause behind the by-birth is simply genetical disorder and madeups are sometimes forcefully done and sometimes their lust for another men and/or for a male passive partner in a homosexual act.



talking about last rites you dont have to see these they ll beat the corpse till late assuming IT ll not become eunuch again and burn late night.
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