Muslim Intolerance

[viking]

When there are thousands of Hindus who would want to give up the Ayodhya cause and allow the masjid to be rebuilt on
the same spot just to maintain peace why is there not a single Muslim who would say "Allow the Hindus to build the temple".

More on this intolerance
http://www.timesofindia.com/today/08home5.htm

[SachhaDesi]

Let me take this opportunity to ask a question to Indian muslims. Outsiders please stay out of this, we can solve our problems by mutual understanding.

I don't mean a flame here, neither I mean muslims are anti national so please take it in right spirit. It has always been the case than Muslims in India are branded anti national because of their policies which are close to their religion and sometimes that conflict our national interest like refusal to control population, refusal to sing national anthem in schools etc. Some are trivial but some are serious. Why not Indian muslims show that they are as much integral part of India as anybody else. They always ask that why should we need to show our love for our country but some elements (like in other religions) are really anti national so why not clearly separate them from the mass?? Unfortunately for others its just those anti national elements who openly proclaim their hatred towards our country and no patriot muslims denouncing them. How are others to know what Indian muslims think. Why not openly talk against those anti national people, those who burst crackers when Pakistan wins cricket match against India????
There are many things Indian muslims can do and silence the people who are pointing fingers at them. Why just keep mum and still expect others to understand you? I hope you don't need to do it forever, just show that you hate those people who try to harm India. Its just a stalemate and going on for a long time. Why not end it once and for all????

I repeat I am not against any person, community or religion. But muslims who work for country (like A.P.J. Abdul Kalam and many others) work in their personal capacity whereas anti national elements shows to represent the whole religion then why not boycott them?? Regarding population there are Hindus too who do the same but that is more because they are illiterate and don't give excuse of religion. There are many issuses but when it comes to implementing policies then why not distance those who hide behind religion for their personal agenda so to avoid giving bad name to whole community??

[SachhaDesi]

I am not suggesting muslims to say yes to temple building but I just used this post for my question as both are related.

Salaam brothers sisters and relatives.

salaam means peace.Islam means Total submission to god to achieve that peace.In short Islam is a peaceful and totally submissive way towards Allah and lifestyle in general.Its a complete way of life.

Now we muslim- one who follows Islam,believe
1.There is ONE god
2.There is one god and Mohammed (pbuh) is his messenger.

Also god or we call him Allah does not have an image,nor he has any sons nor was he created and neither he has taken any form(human).

So for us muslims
1.)Idol worship whether its a stone or picture is foolish and leads to other associated evil practices.
2.)Everyone is born a muslim later you may revert..there is nothing like convertion its all reverting to Islam.So as I said you all are either my brothers or sisters and generally relatives.

Now that's a positive thinking and problem comes when there is a conflict.

When there is a conflict we go by
1.)Holy Quran
2.)Way of the Prophet.
3.)Ulemas or the contemporary wise and knowledgeable people.

We believe in open discussion and great educated people which have knowledge of Quran,Bible,Vedas and Purans exist and they have expert opinion rather than biased and half cooked knowledge available on this forum.

Kindly note two names
1.)Ahmed Deedaat
2.)Dr. Zakir Hussain.
also note

http://www.irf.net

where all ur doubts will be demolished if u r brave enough to visit these sites!!There are other sites also but this is the one which is just right for right wing misguided Hindus.

-brhma

[tempest]

> Why don't muslims say let hindus build a temple.

Hindus are in majority in India. Although I'm sure most of Indians don't have hangups about the religion of their leader (we've had muslim presidents, indira/rajiv were parsi)... but when we talk about a governing body (bjp) which has revival of hindutva (nothing bad about it) in its agenda; its expected that they would treat minorities as younger siblings, and protect them. baRappan issi mein hai. You don't snatch things around from younger brother/sister (even if it belonged to you 10 yrs back), and then expect them to be understanding about it. Only a petty elder brother would do that.

I don't see why any individual has to go out of their way to prove their patriotism to anyone. If others have doubts about ENTIRE community based on action of some, its THEIR problem. No community is under any obligation to prove anything... individually or collectively.

That said, yes the Coca Cola hue and cry sounds rather silly. As rakhwala said, its brain-fart of some mullahs or zealots. Again, no need to cast aspersions on ENTIRE community because of it. When are you growing out of this syndrome, rakhwala? Because I can show you pakistani sites where many muslims have condemned mullahs and Coca Cola controversy.

tempest

ps: Please don't throw pseudo secular labels at me. Its getting just as repetitive as your dalit jokes. I would be interested to see if you can deal with issues in a logical way. Surprise me?

Well brothers,sisters and relatives.

Yes muslim are intolerant.What will u do when ur mother is raped in front of u??Similarly a mosque is demolished by the bania-brahman nexus.In islam the law is an eye for an eye.And don't let the sleletons out of the closet.Say what if a temple was destryed.Yes brothers,for the so called intolerance which is ur concept derived from british standards or ur cowardice is totally opposed to from islamic point of view.We believe

1.idol worship is wrong or picture worship.
e.g.if u say VAndematram' its okay salaam ya watan or motherland but if u draw a map and superimpose a goddess with it we simply won't buy the idea.u see a slight veriation
2.muslims are what they are and all this mukhyadhara and stuff is just a rightist hedgewarian propaganda.THis crime rate and corruption may be ur mukhyadhara not our.
3.This country is destroyed not by pro muslim govt. but bania-baman nexus.open ur eyes brothers don't pinch muslims.

4. next time we allow u to build a temple u have got a list of 300 others over my dead body brothers...never.
5.Till now muslims are tolerant enough not to wage a civil war.next time we will show u what INTOLERANCE is all about.

So get on with ur IT revoulution and progress let the sleeping dogs lie.

http://www.irf.net

-brhma

[tempest]

brhma spoketh >Well brothers,sisters and relatives.

to brothers/sisters relatives nahiN hain? aur net pe kyoon... apnay rishtaydaaroN ko email kar jaake.

> What will u do when ur mother is raped in front of u??
> In islam the law is an eye for an eye.

So you will go and rape other person's mother? hahahahah what if he doesn't have a mother? What does Islam say... which relative comes next... khala, behen, phoophi, neighbour??

>1.idol worship is wrong or picture worship.

to kisi hakeem nay kaha hai you have to do it? haiN bay? Agar tujhay diabetese hai, saaray halwaiyoN ki dukaneiN toR dega??

Quran doesn't say destroy temples or everyone who doesn't believe. It says to oppose only those non-believers who stop you from practicing your faith. Am I wrong??


> e.g.if u say VAndematram' its okay salaam ya watan or
> motherland but if u draw a map and superimpose a goddess
> with it we simply won't buy the idea.

achha?? baRi taqleef hotee hogi yaar phir mandir, church, cynagogues, gurudware dekh kar... I don't know how you live with it. Anyone else would have committed suicide.

> This country is destroyed not by pro muslim govt. but
> bania-baman nexus.open ur eyes brothers don't pinch
> muslims.

okay can I pinch christians and sardarji's? please please... (vaise no one protests if I pinch them... ahem)

> Till now muslims are tolerant enough not to wage a civil
> war.next time we will show u what INTOLERANCE is all
> about.

Why civil war? Why can't we just have a riot or something? Like we've always had in Meerut, Moradabad, etc. They are much more fun than civil war.

> So get on with ur IT revoulution and progress let the
> sleeping dogs lie.

Finally ye bata dey guru, teray madrasay mein grammar or spellings nahin sikhaye kya?

"kaise kaise namoonay aa jaate haiN" tempest

dear tempest (if u r neither bro nor sist than u better know what u are)

In Islam everyone is born a muslim later u can revert to Islam. So u either are my bro. my sis or my relative.
That's how positive islam is.

Since this is a frontal attack on ur mother i better shut my mouth,I never said i'll rape ur mother don't get insecure.

Yes an eye for an eye diabetese mein sab halwaion ki dukan tod do ge.I don't know which language ur shakha teaches.But dear tempest,don't give anologies which have no relevance and no context.Misplacing the context and quoting is what ur kinda misguided people are doing from Arun Shourie to Sudershan.

And i keep the rights to blast u with me.U see i'am tolerant

My madarsa is non the less from ur gurukool,beat it.

-brhma

[laal_langot]

Could I enquire ke WHERE EXACTLY you will be pinching the sardars/christians????depending on the answer I might/might not convert....

[laal_langot]

BRA ma sister aisa hai bhaiya(we are bothers sisters relatives everything) ke you got the fundamentals wrong....first thing a person is born as a man/woman/take your pick.....so muslim and non muslim classification or believers non believers whatever you want to call it is a fallacious argument...

Of all the kids I have known none says Allah hu or Islam or anything remotely to do with it as their first words when they start speaking...life is much more rudimentary..you are not born anything apart from a human.You learn what you believe in as part of your upbringing and other external influences and make choices for yourself....

I was born a MALE(atleast thats what everyone thinks)and I am today a MUSLIM WHO PRACTICES IDOL WORSHIP and has beer with lunch....bolo kya karogay???this thing about BEING BORN something is infringing upon the basic human right of choice.....no one is sent upar se stamp thok ke what you are...dont know about you...maybe you had an explanatory letter along with you when you were born saying operating instructions... TO BE OPERATED IN STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH SHARIA AND SHARIA ONLY...

as for SHOWING what intolerance is all about you wont need to mate because there are many others like you who are already doing the honours and there are yet others who are into DHARMSANGRAAMS who are showing them what intolerance of intolerance is all about....

So carry on .......maaro maro kato after all isi liye to paida huey hain insaan...to fight over TEXT BOOKS(yes I think and call them text books be they scriptures from any religion)and to die over playgrounds(wahaan jaa ke devotion ka khel hi khelte hain)...

[tempest]

Why, I'll pinch them gently on left cheek, of course.

"pincher" tempest.

p.s: Now don't ask me "face wala cheek ya..."

[tempest]

brhma > My madarsa is non the less from ur gurukool,beat
> it.

bhai, kissi ko samajh mein aayi ye line??

non the less than ur ?? (achha, non ka none kar do, tab bi baat nahin banti)

gurukool ?? hahahhaah

btw brhma beta, did you read my post above that? You won't know tolerance if you tripped on it. Ab jaao, aur jaakar list tayyar karo kahan kahan idol-worship hoti hai, and how its justified to destroy temple. shabash.

tempest

[viking]

This Bra or Brama or whatever is a confused person a typical Muslim.Bra ji agar aapko desh ko Bharat mata ke naam se nahi sambodhna hai to aapki marji.Waise who cares whether you are patriotic or not coz we know that you never were and never can be!.

And about civil war Balasaheb Thakre just gave you a glimpse of a Civil war in 1992 January and the bruises on your sorry asses are yet to heal!.What if the real Civil war breaks out with the Hindu armymen,police,Home guards commin all guns boomin at ya!??.By the way do you even know what Civil war is about?.Probably no coz the level of education there does not go beyond Jihad!

[Panchsheel]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

The basic issue need not be discussed in such details as it is not about Mandir, Masjid or Vandematram.

It is about giving space to each other and living a secular life.

Leave all relegions aside. Following are basic and natural principals.

1. All man and woman are born as HUMAN BEING with a brain that works much better than animals and thus are divine. They become muslims or anything else when they start follwoing rule books written in perticular circumatsnces by other such Human beings.

2. "Change" is one of the core devine Principals. Every society has to pass thorugh a natural rate of change.

3. God is super-divine and thus humans GOD have a closer relation than other beings.

Now Basic problem with Muslims if following these pricniples, Spcilally accepting a change.

And this basic problem of not opposing change that should come by a natural pace in the rules they follow. This change needs to come with time, place, environment and your fellow beings.

Change is a rule made by GOD him self.

But just opposing this change - some of them just want to turn the world upside down. i.g. they only know one change that is to their way of life codified in thier law.

If, they adjust according to time, location etc. the whole problem will elapse. There will be peace and peace and peace.

For example now - if they do not want to sing Vandematram, they may not do it for worshipping the godess earth, but let them Sing just for their Hindu brotherns to show respect to their solidarity. Just as Muslims think there is only one god and only god can be worshipped, so also hindus think there is only one god, but they also think that you, me every thing on this exitence is godly and GOD thyself. So, they respect every thing as GOD thyself. So, is the motherland which if not god should come next to GOD for any law abiding citizen.

But other rule of God is there alwayse exit a postive and negitve powers, people, energies etc.

So, while we expect that the positive energy will be ruling the world and in this expectation we will keep requesting all Indian Mulsims to sing Vandematram, we should also understand that many will not oblige.

Some in intertia, some in fear and others to just again oppose the thought of change i.e. How can a muslim be in a temple? Allaha will be angry.

Such muslims who think only one law i.e. their law should exist are infact the seed carriers of such negative forces whihc in mordern times have been now called as Terrorism. In Indian mythology they were called Rakshas.

Finally postive has to prevail over negaitve one day, while both will exit. And Truth will prevail one day while false will continue to exit to give potentail to truth.

Now finally it is a matter of Choice for an Individual - whether he wants to be on side of Negative energy whihc opposes or Positive whihc drags aling the current of time and nature.

No book or rule or Ullema can lead you to make this decesion. You have make your own it is personal Dear friends!!!!!

At last I can only Seek you support -- Please be on Positive Side for that GOD whom you worship, because he created this beautiful world and beautiful mind as you.

Panchsheel