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Old May 16th, 2011, 07:11 AM
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500 Dalits defeated 30,000 Peshwa Maratha Army

Battle of Koregaon.

The Battle of Koregaon took place on January 1, 1818, at the bank of the river Bhima in Koregaon, northwest of Pune, India. A small force of 500 men of the 2nd Battalion 1st Regiment of the Bombay Native Light Infantry (mostly Mahars) under the command of Capt. F. F. Staunton fought continuously without rest or respite, food or water[citation needed] for twelve hours against a large force of 20,000 horse and 8,000 infantry of Maratha Leader Peshwa Baji Rao II who was threatening the British garrisons at Kirkee and Poona.

n November 1817, Peshwas devastated the Regency of Pune giving no scope for the British army to retaliate successfully. The British commanding officer in Pune called the Chief of the second Battalion-first Regiment Native Infantry for help which was encamped in the Shirur Taluka of Pune district. This contingent, with only 500 foot soldiers and 250 cavalry both predominantly having with Mahars defeated the mighty Peshwa army of 8,000 foot soldiers and 20,000 cavalry.

The Peshwa's troops inexplicably withdrew that evening, despite their overwhelming numbers, giving the British an important victory. The men of the 2/1st Regiment Bombay Native Infantry, who fought in this battle, were honored for their bravery. The official report to the British Residents at Poona recalls the "heroic valour and enduring fortitude" of the soldiers, the "disciplined intrepidity" and "devoted courage and admirable consistency" of their actions[citation needed].
This battle had unusual significance. First, the British army fought this battle with a minuscule army despite expecting the worst. Secondly, the battle of Koregaon was one of the most important events which helped tear down the Peshwa Empire and subsequently the Peshwa had to abdicate. Thirdly and most importantly, it was an attempt by the untouchables of Maharashtra to break the shackles of the age-old caste order[citation needed].
The battle is commemorated by an obelisk, known as the Koregaon pillar, which featured on the Mahar Regiment crest until Indian Independence. The monument has names inscribed of twenty two Mahars killed there, erected at the site of the battle and by a medal issued in 1851. Today, the monument "serves as a focal point of Mahar heroism"[citation needed].
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Battle of Koregaon.

The Battle of Koregaon took place on January 1, 1818, at the bank of the river Bhima in Koregaon, northwest of Pune, India. A small force of 500 men of the 2nd Battalion 1st Regiment of the Bombay Native Light Infantry (mostly Mahars) under the command of Capt. F. F. Staunton fought continuously without rest or respite, food or water[citation needed] for twelve hours against a large force of 20,000 horse and 8,000 infantry of Maratha Leader Peshwa Baji Rao II who was threatening the British garrisons at Kirkee and Poona.

n November 1817, Peshwas devastated the Regency of Pune giving no scope for the British army to retaliate successfully. The British commanding officer in Pune called the Chief of the second Battalion-first Regiment Native Infantry for help which was encamped in the Shirur Taluka of Pune district. This contingent, with only 500 foot soldiers and 250 cavalry both predominantly having with Mahars defeated the mighty Peshwa army of 8,000 foot soldiers and 20,000 cavalry.

The Peshwa's troops inexplicably withdrew that evening, despite their overwhelming numbers, giving the British an important victory. The men of the 2/1st Regiment Bombay Native Infantry, who fought in this battle, were honored for their bravery. The official report to the British Residents at Poona recalls the "heroic valour and enduring fortitude" of the soldiers, the "disciplined intrepidity" and "devoted courage and admirable consistency" of their actions[citation needed].
This battle had unusual significance. First, the British army fought this battle with a minuscule army despite expecting the worst. Secondly, the battle of Koregaon was one of the most important events which helped tear down the Peshwa Empire and subsequently the Peshwa had to abdicate. Thirdly and most importantly, it was an attempt by the untouchables of Maharashtra to break the shackles of the age-old caste order[citation needed].
The battle is commemorated by an obelisk, known as the Koregaon pillar, which featured on the Mahar Regiment crest until Indian Independence. The monument has names inscribed of twenty two Mahars killed there, erected at the site of the battle and by a medal issued in 1851. Today, the monument "serves as a focal point of Mahar heroism"[citation needed].
this can be found on wikipedia..whats so different about this?if you have information through valid books and literature and not from internet,feel free to post..just like ashdoc does...
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Re: 500 Dalits defeated 30,000 Peshwa Maratha Army

good review here -
http://desicritics.org/2010/01/30/232658.php

So all in all, I am afraid what my research threw up was in sharp variance with the mythology is being provided. It was frankly a small battle / skirmish in a much bigger war, the Peshwa’s forces were not defeated in this skirmish, the British Army did not fight this battle expecting the worst because they had been winning every battle in this war, this battle of Koregaon was not really that important as fighting kept on happening for months after this battle and I am afraid there is absolutely no evidence that any kind of caste based ideology was involved in the fight.
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Re: 500 Dalits defeated 30,000 Peshwa Maratha Army

I posted this because of the recent comments left by several posters suggesting that the lower castes are/were incapable of doing anything, whether it is leadership, intellect or "Martial" ability.

Given the opportunity, anybody is capable of doing anything.
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I posted this because of the recent comments left by several posters suggesting that the lower castes are/were incapable of doing anything, whether it is leadership, intellect or "Martial" ability.

Given the opportunity, anybody is capable of doing anything.
I dont think the post helped - nobody believes or agrees that this was a fight between lower castes and peshwas. The victory has been marked as british victory in history - despite the Indians spilling their blood and the significance of the battle is in doubt.
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Given the opportunity, anybody is capable of doing anything.
Here, let me correct this quote for you,

Given the opportunity, somebody is capable of doing anything... but everybody does nothing.
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Re: 500 Dalits defeated 30,000 Peshwa Maratha Army

The battle of koregaon , and other such battles were won by the british by using one simple mean trick .

--First they used to impress the native powers by demonstrating the power of their drilled and disciplined battalions equipped with latest firepower .

--Then they used to offer european officers to train the armies of the native powers , and give them the latest muskets , artillery etc .

--Thus the native powers soon became dependent of these battalions officered by europeans , and used to give up their traditional tactics and weapons . The marathas , including the peshwa ,also gave up their traditional guerilla warfare to drill their armies in latest weapons , and command them by europeans .

--Liitle did the native powers realise that the european officers commanding their newly drilled troops were actually british agents !!

--When the british then used to attack the native powers ,they used to send a signal to the european officers commanding the native powers armies to abandon their troops .

--These commands used to be obeyed by the european officers , who used to defect to the british side on the eve of battle and the native powers' armies used to become leaderless , and could be easily beaten in war .

Among the marathas , only Jaswant Rao Holkar of Indore, the last great guerilla leader produced by them , refused to be drawn into this trick , and continued to train his armies in the old guerilla system of warfare . He proved to be unbeatable , and the british had to wait out for his death to destroy maratha power in malwa.
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Among the marathas , only Jaswant Rao Holkar of Indore, the last great guerilla leader produced by them , refused to be drawn into this trick , and continued to train his armies in the old guerilla system of warfare . He proved to be unbeatable , and the british had to wait out for his death to destroy maratha power in malwa.

I disagree .. I think Holkar was pounded very badly by Baburao Dandekar in the the first battle of Khamba Ghusaad. Surprisingly, once the battle was over - Dandekar had to withdraw limply leaving some of his precious wealth in the folds of Holkar's forces. On the other hand, the battle left Holkar even larger than before.

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I disagree .. I think Holkar was pounded very badly by Baburao Dandekar in the the first battle of Khamba Ghusaad. Surprisingly, once the battle was over - Dandekar had to withdraw limply leaving some of his precious wealth in the folds of Holkar's forces. On the other hand, the battle left Holkar even larger than before.

And you forgot, Sucku bai who was also there on Dandekar's side And then you forgot to mention the great Sada Taathey who always standing by Holkar's side

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I disagree .. I think Holkar was pounded very badly by Baburao Dandekar in the the first battle of Khamba Ghusaad. Surprisingly, once the battle was over - Dandekar had to withdraw limply leaving some of his precious wealth in the folds of Holkar's forces. On the other hand, the battle left Holkar even larger than before.

You talk of Khamba Ghusad only... what about that battle between Holkar and Dandekar when the victor Dandekar was able to declare that the Battle of Aai Zavli has been won!
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You talk of Khamba Ghusad only... what about that battle between Holkar and Dandekar when the victor Dandekar was able to declare that the Battle of Aai Zavli has been won!
I was only talking of the first battle of Khamba Ghusaad. The Battle of Aai Zavli was actaully much before that and was fought between Dandekar and Holkar's mother - Ranibai Murjhai Holkar. After Dandekar's rough entry and swift withdrawal from the Battle of Khamba Ghusaad, the earlier battle was referred to as the battle of Aai Zavli.

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I don't understand this... I do not understand this constant use of in matters serious as these battles What is it that you guys are hiding
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I don't understand this... I do not understand this constant use of in matters serious as these battles What is it that you guys are hiding
they cannot bleieve they are crazy enough to remember all this history . But they are crazy still hence
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they cannot bleieve they are crazy enough to remember all this history . But they are crazy still hence
For that you need to understand a bit of Marathi, which smelly and I do
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hole kar , dande kar..wtf..kya kool hain hum? :P

coming back to the point...

after the marathas refused to work under a bramhan..peshwa had to scout for men in other castes.

they chose holkars from peasant caste(dhangar),gaikwad from kunbi(kurmi) caste and shinde from mahar caste.

Shindes now a days call themselves maratha too,but technically they were mahars who did leather jobs.and yes they were brought in my peshwas who were typical koknastha bramhans.they did something which shocked the maratha clan and made them hate the bramhans more.No wonder we have hijra gangs like sambhaji brigade who hate bramhans .
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