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Maryland man sentenced for threats to mosque

Maryland man sentenced for threats to mosque

This is pretty disturbing. Please watch what you say or post here... as it will be used against you.


A 25-year-old Maryland man has been sentenced to a year in prison after pleading guilty to threatening the members of a mosque in Illinois.

The U.S. Department of Justice says Ilya Sobolevskiy was sentenced Thursday in federal court in Urbana.

Authorities say Sobolevskiy pleaded guilty in August to violating the civil rights of members of the Central Illinois Mosque and Islamic Center.

According to authorities, Sobolevskiy wrote in an e-mail to a member of the mosque that he would "do WHATEVER it takes to eradicate Islam."

Judge David Bernthal called Sobolevskiy's e-mail "an act of terror" and gave him the maximum possible sentence.



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Looks like only in India we pardon people (for wrong reasons) for speaking rubbish.
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Looks like only in India we pardon people (for wrong reasons) for speaking rubbish.
I do not think the guy was speaking rubbish... or in other words, he really did not have any other way of discussing rubbish... err... I mean, how else would you discuss rubbish without being rubbish... err... I think there is no good way to present his case because whatever he is going to say will sound like hate-speech... 'cos the original itself is hate-speech.
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I do not think the guy was speaking rubbish... or in other words, he really did not have any other way of discussing rubbish... err... I mean, how else would you discuss rubbish without being rubbish... err... I think there is no good way to present his case because whatever he is going to say will sound like hate-speech... 'cos the original itself is hate-speech.
Well your rubbish is someones treasure.
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Well your rubbish is someones treasure.
Really? and what if they take that treasure and knock you on your head? Is it still a treasure? or a weapon of crime?
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Really? and what if they take that treasure and knock you on your head? Is it still a treasure? or a weapon of crime?
If you have read what the guy in question has said, you would know that he clearly implied, "Eliminate Islam, what ever it takes". It means mass murder. It is a threat. What is the guarantee that this guy wouldn't try to get means to blow off countries?
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If you have read what the guy in question has said, you would know that he clearly implied, "Eliminate Islam, what ever it takes". It means mass murder. It is a threat. What is the guarantee that this guy wouldn't try to get means to blow off countries?
Nah - i think there is too much political correctness here. Unless he made a specific threat I believe it should be covered under the first amendment. Come on - ever heard the term "Kill all kaffirs"? By that logic anyone reading out loud from the Koran or other holy books will be sent to one year in prison.
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Nah - i think there is too much political correctness here. Unless he made a specific threat I believe it should be covered under the first amendment. Come on - ever heard the term "Kill all kaffirs"? By that logic anyone reading out loud from the Koran or other holy books will be sent to one year in prison.
Here, this is what was said according to Washington Post.

According to authorities, Sobolevskiy wrote in an e-mail to a member of the mosque that he would "do WHATEVER it takes to eradicate Islam."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/loc...threats-t.html
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Re: Md. man sentenced for threats to mosque

Free speech is a very complicated thing if you look at the laws and the Constitution. Its like having permission to say anything anywhere but with caveats that you cannot yell FIRE just like that in a crowded theater, lest there is a stampede and people will get injured or die in the ensuing stampede.

Here, this man is definitely upset and wants to eradicate Islam. Its his view and he has a right to say whatever, but since he has sent an email directed to a specific individual it can be construed as a threat as per the laws.
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Free speech is a very complicated thing if you look at the laws and the Constitution. Its like having permission to say anything anywhere but with caveats that you cannot yell FIRE just like that in a crowded theater, lest there is a stampede and people will get injured or die in the ensuing stampede.

Here, this man is definitely upset and wants to eradicate Islam. Its his view and he has a right to say whatever, but since he has sent an email directed to a specific individual it can be construed as a threat as per the laws.

can somebody change Md. to MD or Maryland in title.. I thought some mohmmad mozlem man got sentenced
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Done... fixed the title
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Done... fixed the title
Thanks Echracher pai, can you also fix the thread title (which still has Md.)... I was a bit confused too but it was too late by then.

Agreed that free speech is very complicated but the judge had many options in this case (which I am sure has many precedents) and he chose the worst one. I mean, really... a threat in an e-mail is taken that seriously? What about posts on websites... those should be taken seriously too? There was no physical harm here... the guy did not go to the mosque and scope the place or anything.

Rakhihi tai, if someone comes up tomorrow and says nazism is bad and has to be eliminated by any which way possible... now will that be a bad thing or a good thing? What about communism? Same thing about devil-worship? As I said before, I am sure there are precedents before... in which the law was lenient. And this guy should have been given an equal chance. But kya kare... we will see more of this now... obummer's rule
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More importantly, will this case be taken as a precedent for any future similar cases? That is how the court of law works... they look at previous cases and see how the judgement came out on those and then try to apply similar reasoning. If this case becomes a precedent... then apna toh waat lag gayi
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Thanks Echracher pai, can you also fix the thread title (which still has Md.)... I was a bit confused too but it was too late by then.

Agreed that free speech is very complicated but the judge had many options in this case (which I am sure has many precedents) and he chose the worst one. I mean, really... a threat in an e-mail is taken that seriously? What about posts on websites... those should be taken seriously too? There was no physical harm here... the guy did not go to the mosque and scope the place or anything.

Rakhihi tai, if someone comes up tomorrow and says nazism is bad and has to be eliminated by any which way possible... now will that be a bad thing or a good thing? What about communism? Same thing about devil-worship? As I said before, I am sure there are precedents before... in which the law was lenient. And this guy should have been given an equal chance. But kya kare... we will see more of this now... obummer's rule
How can you compare Nazi with Muslims sane? They are two completely different...err, different. No one in the world woud complain if you come up and say that you will do what ever it takes to eradicate muzlim 'terrorist orgs". Problem is, the guy in question wants to blow away the religion itself, which means, mass destruction of countries.

Also note that the email was sent to a particular group threatening. Yes, email threats are to be taken seriously.

See below where a man is charged for making a joke about blowing up an airport.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/se...usly-facetious

Another instance where a guy is charged when he threatened that he would blow up airport, if he doesnt get a seat:

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=11727439
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How can you compare Nazi with Muslims sane? They are two completely different...err, different. No one in the world woud complain if you come up and say that you will do what ever it takes to eradicate muzlim 'terrorist orgs". Problem is, the guy in question wants to blow away the religion itself, which means, mass destruction of countries.

Also note that the email was sent to a particular group threatening. Yes, email threats are to be taken seriously.

See below where a man is charged for making a joke about blowing up an airport.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/se...usly-facetious

Another instance where a guy is charged when he threatened that he would blow up airport, if he doesnt get a seat:

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=11727439
Where o where did I compare Nazi(s?) with muslims, Rakihti tai? How on earth did you infer that

Agreed that the guy made a mistake... but giving the maximum punishment for such a mistake is what people are complaining/commenting on. And eradicating a theory or philosophy is not the same as blowing up people or countries. I hope you understand the difference. Maybe the guy is an idiot and did not know his boundaries... so don't you think a warning and a fine is appropriate for such a thing... just a rap on the back of his hand... instead of bringing the whole judicial hammer on it
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