Karam. How often have you

[badriprasad]

1. when seeing a friend, relative, or a neighbor in sad situation you have said to yourself: "Baghwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. salla apne karmon ka phal bughat raha hei."

or is it always and how often

2. when seeing a friend, relative, or a neighbor in happy situation, you said to yourself: "Bhagwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. Achhe aadmi ko apne achhe karmon ka achha phal mil raha hei"


or is it always or how often to you said to yourself 3. "salla sachmuch ka kaljug aa gaya. Karmon ka kanoon salla andha ho gaya laage. Juthe ka bolbala sachhe ka munh kalls. Salla kaisa zamana aa gaya. "

[badriprasad]

With me its always # 3.

I don't see law of karma working among people I know or hear of from others. Considering as per our Hindu beliefs that law of Karma is supposed to supersede everything else including jap and taap.

[Rakhi]

Perhaps if you translate in English, I might be able to reply. I tried to understand but couldn't get the entire meaning.

[razzrhino]

Originally Posted by badriprasad

With me its always # 3.

I don't see law of karma working among people I know or hear of from others. Considering as per our Hindu beliefs that law of Karma is supposed to supersede everything else including jap and taap.

karma is a bitch who'll bite you in da ass jogijee.. I have seen it in work every time.. Tiger woods ko hi lelo.. ya ex president aaf the united states.. sooner or later things catch up to ya.. jest a matter aaf tem..

[echarcha]

Originally Posted by Rakhi

Perhaps if you translate in English, I might be able to reply. I tried to understand but couldn't get the entire meaning.

#1 --> "Bhagwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. salla apne karmon ka phal bughat raha hei."

There maybe delay in God's justice, but there is justice for sure. The person is reaping what he sowed.

#2 --> "Bhagwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. Achhe aadmi ko apne achhe karmon ka achha phal mil raha hei"

There maybe delay in God's justice, but there is justice for sure. The person has done good deeds and now is enjoying the fruits.


#3 --> "salla sachmuch ka kaljug aa gaya. Karmon ka kanoon salla andha ho gaya laage. Juthe ka bolbala sachhe ka munh kalls. Salla kaisa zamana aa gaya."

Its Kalyug for sure. God's justice based on deeds has gone haywire. He who committs sin is being rewarded while the one doing good deeds is suffering. Its really Kalyug now.

[badriprasad]

Originally Posted by Rakhi

Perhaps if you translate in English, I might be able to reply. I tried to understand but couldn't get the entire meaning.

I am sorry Rakhiji. I was in a rush to leave for home. Sutradarji has let me try some more.

As Razzledazzle Sahib says and believes...... law of Karma catches up when least expected.

Also true that in our belief system Law of Karma supersedes Japa (Prayers-Bhakti Yoga) and Tapa (self-sacrifices-fasting). I am beginning to sense that Law of Karma doesn't work and never worked really. It didn't work in Satya Yug neither.

My wonderment is simple...... have you ever felt Law of Karma ever worked among close associates, relatives, friends, or neighbors? Could you recite some examples without mentioning personal details? I have none except # 3.

[smellyfinger]

Originally Posted by badriprasad

1. when seeing a friend, relative, or a neighbor in sad situation you have said to yourself: "Baghwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. salla apne karmon ka phal bughat raha hei."

or is it always and how often

2. when seeing a friend, relative, or a neighbor in happy situation, you said to yourself: "Bhagwan ke ghar der hei andher nahee. Achhe aadmi ko apne achhe karmon ka achha phal mil raha hei"


or is it always or how often to you said to yourself 3. "salla sachmuch ka kaljug aa gaya. Karmon ka kanoon salla andha ho gaya laage. Juthe ka bolbala sachhe ka munh kalls. Salla kaisa zamana aa gaya. "

Tantric Pai,

To requote ... your three options are

1. Schadenfreude
2. Mudita/Altruism
3. Envy

When you cut through all the other crap, thats what the three options boil down to as basic human tenets of personal response to other's fortune/misfortune.

[razzrhino]

chitrala pai - kithe ho - add this to the LLKC thread. LLKC learnt 2 wards 2day - shadenfreude and mudita, i was thinking mudita gosami - but when googled came with some good explinashans..

sahi hai.. u live an u lern

another point i read about the other day is in the world of tantra, there are no good and bads.. there just is.. so you could eat shit or eat caviar.. it don't matter because they do not label shit is bad - caviar is good.. and by doing away with the label they just erase the conflict that happens when you have to eat shit

so i wonder.. do tantrik practitioners not suffer from karma.. so does this mean that karma is a human concept used to fuk normal people ?

so basically you label everything night and day, good and bad and basically put it in the sub concious that you do bad you are going to get fukked..

so now you have this good/bad, reward/punishment at the bek of your mind. every tem you do bad.. u r subconciously thinking i'm gonna get fkked for this..

so then is it like wish fulfillment ? you wish/worry that you will get fkked and the universe answers in kind ? sooner or later...

beware of what you wish for for it could come true ??

i dunno.. need to dig deeper into this..

[Rakhi]

Originally Posted by badriprasad

With me its always # 3.

I don't see law of karma working among people I know or hear of from others. Considering as per our Hindu beliefs that law of Karma is supposed to supersede everything else including jap and taap.

I believe in option 1. The key word is the word in bold above. You don't see the law of karma working but that doesn't mean that it is a non-existing entity.
We end up in sad situation's 99% of the times due to our own stupidity; Like not taking the right decision at the right time etc. But there are a few instances where you are true to yourself, yet, you feel punished for your loyalty. To me that is Karma. From those mistakes if we learn the lesson (at least try to comprehend) then the law of karma is working. If not, you don't even realize that it is the karma which is playing games and decide it is not working...because of kalyug or whatever fancy word you want to use.

[Rakhi]

Originally Posted by razzrhino

so then is it like wish fulfillment ? you wish/worry that you will get fkked and the universe answers in kind ? sooner or later...

beware of what you wish for for it could come true ??

i dunno.. need to dig deeper into this..

I don't know where exactly I read this (may be Robin Sharma's, Monk who sold his Ferrari)...the concept that there is no good or bad, it just is. I don't quite agree with this concept.
Also that wouldn't work where you are a part of society. For example if you commit murder, it is just murder, an act and nothing more/less than that for you. But in a society it is a criminal offense. So you will need rules what is right and what is wrong for a crime-free society.

Karma in a way could be viewed as a human concept (according to me) to make sure that there is a check in place for our conscience for we are not perfect. I am not sure if you know the concept of sub-conscious, conscious and super conscious state of mind. But in theory, when you are in super conscious state of mind, you will start perceiving things for what they are, without labeling them as good/bad and is always for the good. Until that state, we rely on the concept of Karma.

hope I made sense...let me know otherwise. Actually landyabhai might be able to elaborate on this.

[milanfanabhi]

Originally Posted by badriprasad

With me its always # 3.

I don't see law of karma working among people I know or hear of from others. Considering as per our Hindu beliefs that law of Karma is supposed to supersede everything else including jap and taap.

i agree with yogijee here.Karma is just a hypothetical thing.In the end you see that India is always on the recieving end due to pak's kukaram.

politicians like sharad power and terrorists like dawood are alive and kicking our butts.