Where is Global Warming?? Antarctic Ice is Growing!

[dhurandhar]

Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty

Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

"Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.

The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.

Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

"Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years."

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

http://www.rense.com/general85/antart.htm

[28virgo]

Looks like its time to take the Nobel back from Gore and Pachauri ...

[echarcha]

Global Warming and its new avatar Climate Change are an excellent new scam for folks who want to profit from carbon credits trading, pushing all sorts of fads and technologies as 'green' and just make money off shmucks.

I am ready to comply with common sense measures like reduce pollution by always keeping your car in proper running condition, recycle as much as you can and plant more trees.

But I dont buy all the hoopla created by a few in the political and media circles. Its all bunk and crap.

[swami]

Means we can keep on the a/c without the guilt of harming our planet

Originally Posted by dhurandhar

Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.

The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.

Antarctica has 90 per cent of the Earth's ice and 80 per cent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilisation of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international headlines this month.

However, the picture is very different in east Antarctica, which includes the territory claimed by Australia.

East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting ofAntarctic Treaty

Australian Antarctic Division glaciology program head Ian Allison said sea ice losses in west Antarctica over the past 30 years had been more than offset by increases in the Ross Sea region, just one sector of east Antarctica.

"Sea ice conditions have remained stable in Antarctica generally," Dr Allison said.

The melting of sea ice - fast ice and pack ice - does not cause sea levels to rise because the ice is in the water. Sea levels may rise with losses from freshwater ice sheets on the polar caps. In Antarctica, these losses are in the form of icebergs calved from ice shelves formed by glacial movements on the mainland.

Last week, federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said experts predicted sea level rises of up to 6m from Antarctic melting by 2100, but the worst case scenario foreshadowed by the SCAR report was a 1.25m rise.

Mr Garrett insisted global warming was causing ice losses throughout Antarctica. "I don't think there's any doubt it is contributing to what we've seen both on the Wilkins shelf and more generally in Antarctica," he said.

Dr Allison said there was not any evidence of significant change in the mass of ice shelves in east Antarctica nor any indication that its ice cap was melting. "The only significant calvings in Antarctica have been in the west," he said. And he cautioned that calvings of the magnitude seen recently in west Antarctica might not be unusual.

"Ice shelves in general have episodic carvings and there can be large icebergs breaking off - I'm talking 100km or 200km long - every 10 or 20 or 50 years."

Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years. The average thickness of the ice at Davis since the 1950s is 1.67m.

A paper to be published soon by the British Antarctic Survey in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is expected to confirm that over the past 30 years, the area of sea ice around the continent has expanded.

http://www.rense.com/general85/antart.htm

[Indian]

Originally Posted by dhurandhar

Antarctic Ice Is GROWING, Not Melting Away

ICE is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.
http://www.rense.com/general85/antart.htm

what is the credibility of this source ? Who is this jerk measured the icebergs in antarctic ? kaunsa tape isthemal kiya, is it scientific enough

here in india .....when i stand in midst of a traffic jam , smoke emanating from all sides ..i can feel the heat and i can see the affect of pollution clearly on the people. People coughing frequently, suffering with lung diseases etc. It is so much visible.

you can fuk with environment, go ahead ...but you want to live there in the same place where you fukked up..then you need to do something to revitalize, to make it a healthy place for living.

example....
http://www.city.hiroshima.jp/www/con...477/index.html

one should understand that there are clear consequences of environmental degradation,but there are also ways to re-build what we are destroying. Unfortunately...destruction pace is more than rebuilding.

[Rakhi]

Originally Posted by Indian

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one should understand that there are clear consequences of environmental degradation,but there are also ways to re-build what we are destroying. Unfortunately...destruction pace is more than rebuilding.

Well said. Simple things make a lot of difference.

Not sure if its the same in the US but in Canada we separate garbage, re-cycles and compostable in 3 different bags before we keep it out for pickup.
For the past few months we made it a point to buy stuff which can be re-cycled to reduce garbage (which takes long time to decompose). And surprisingly we know have only 1 bag of garbage for 2 weeks (previously we had at least 4 bags)!


I believe everyone should do what ever little they can to reduce enviromental degradation.

[DesiBaba]

Originally Posted by Indian

what is the credibility of this source ? Who is this jerk measured the icebergs in antarctic ? kaunsa tape isthemal kiya, is it scientific enough

here in india .....when i stand in midst of a traffic jam , smoke emanating from all sides ..i can feel the heat and i can see the affect of pollution clearly on the people. People coughing frequently, suffering with lung diseases etc. It is so much visible.

you can fuk with environment, go ahead ...but you want to live there in the same place where you fukked up..then you need to do something to revitalize, to make it a healthy place for living.

example....
http://www.city.hiroshima.jp/www/con...477/index.html

one should understand that there are clear consequences of environmental degradation,but there are also ways to re-build what we are destroying. Unfortunately...destruction pace is more than rebuilding.

well said..

cmon folks, its ok if you dont want to recycle and go green and shit like that but please dont discredit and deny things that are actually happening by quoting such BS articles..

[Rakhi]

Originally Posted by DesiBaba

well said..cmon folks, its ok if you dont want to recycle and go green and shit like that but please dont discredit and deny things that are actually happening by quoting such BS articles..

emmmm...Not sure if I understood correctly. Are you saying that our Earth is actually getting better day by day?

[chitrala]

I don't know about the world but I can say for the place I grew up at.... it is getting much hotter during summer there...severe deforestation has taken place which has left hillocks barren. These rocks get heated in summer sun and radiate heat at night.

People have started buying water coolers where 20 years ago even fan was not needed. Rain has become unpredictable(which you can tell by the level of local dam at the end of rainy season)...winter has shifted and last till late march and spring is almost non-existent as summer comes almost as soon as winter is over. Pre monsoon bursts are very irregular and gone are the days when it used to rain in evenings if days are really hot.

I don't think it is global warming. It must be them ^£&&$&&* commies.... as its been happening ever since they started coming in the area.

[dhurandhar]

Originally Posted by DesiBaba

well said..

cmon folks, its ok if you dont want to recycle and go green and shit like that but please dont discredit and deny things that are actually happening by quoting such BS articles..

How do you know what is ACTUALLY happening? You want accept/believe what media and some politicians and/or so called bigwigs of science tell you...don't you think a counter-evidence or alternative explanation deserves some consideration?

Btw, FYI, Geophysical Research Letters is a respected journal related to geophysics...not some cheap shot media outlet

[Indian]

Originally Posted by chitrala

I don't know about the world but I can say for the place I grew up at.... it is getting much hotter during summer there...severe deforestation has taken place which has left hillocks barren. These rocks get heated in summer sun and radiate heat at night.

People have started buying water coolers where 20 years ago even fan was not needed. Rain has become unpredictable(which you can tell by the level of local dam at the end of rainy season)...winter has shifted and last till late march and spring is almost non-existent as summer comes almost as soon as winter is over. Pre monsoon bursts are very irregular and gone are the days when it used to rain in evenings if days are really hot.

I don't think it is global warming. It must be them ^£&&$&&* commies.... as its been happening ever since they started coming in the area.
iska matlab kya hain ???

yes , we dont need heavy research papers and top shot scientists to tell you what is happening with environment around us. You can just feel the difference, all you need to do is have an open brain,ears,nose eyes, mouth. You can smell, feel,hear,taste the pollution levels.

Atleast there is some kind of sense in western countries to protect greenary in urban areas. The real-estate mafia and unplanned growth of cities in india is fast destroying the balance.
I really feel like running away to a second tier city where things are much better.

[DesiBaba]

Originally Posted by dhurandhar

How do you know what is ACTUALLY happening? You want accept/believe what media and some politicians and/or so called bigwigs of science tell youD

dhurs, refer to Indain's post above..you really dont need anyone to tell you what is actually happening and what is not..we all are seeing the actual constant deterioration of the environment in general..

just recently we had a huge ice shelf collapse in the artic..was that because of global cooling?
the arctic ice is getting thinner and melting away faster than previously thought and increasing occean levels..is that because of global cooling?

and what bigwigs of science? yes, these are all educated scientists researching and anlayzing about this shit day in and day out, why shouldnt i beleive them? dude,even NASA is working on this shit..look, i am no big going green guy or a proponent of global warming phobia, nor do i have a lot of knowledge on this subject to argue with you, but that dont mean i am goin to deny and discredit and turn a blind eye to the things that are actually happening and the actual data that is coming out on account of these educated scientists..

[gayaguzra#1]

the debate starts again.........

[echarcha]

I am seriously thinking of getting involved in some green tech. Atleast I can scam people with a straight face and tell them its all for the 'environment'.

[Sane Less]

Originally Posted by echarcha

I am seriously thinking of getting involved in some green tech. Atleast I can scam people with a straight face and tell them its all for the 'environment'.

How about having echarcha.com go green? Have counters set up on the main page... and allow echans to click on some buttons (I recycled today... I reused paper... I turned my lights off... and what not)... and every time an echan clicks a button, the counter goes up... maybe if you are good enough, even lights up or dances a jig or... or something. And then the world can see how green echans are... and it may raise our ratings