Maharashtrians Enslaved in Karnataka

[viking]

First those vedike goondas want non- Kannadigas out of the state and now this??

Breakaway politics: Tension grips Belgaum
Yogesh Pawar

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 (Belgaum):

Belgaum is tense after the townships' municipal corporation passed a resolution to break away from Karnataka and join Maharashtra.

The controversial resolution was passed on Thursday.

Belgaum, with an 80 per cent Marathi-speaking population, has been a bone of contention between the two states.

Civic body dissolved

The dispute, which has been going on since the states were carved out in the mid 50s, is still pending in the Supreme Court.

On Monday, the Karnataka government dissolved the corporation and ousted Mayor Vijay More, who led the controversial resolution.

"I am not at all repentant. How long can we deny the aspirations of the 80 per cent Marathi-speaking people of Belgaum?" says More.

Tight security

Now, the district administration has taken charge of the corporation and security has been beefed up in Marathi-majority areas.

The dissolution of the Belgaum Municipal Corporation may have helped contain tension temporarily.

But if the Karnataka state government is serious about a long-term solution, it will have to find out why such a large section of the people feel alienated in the first place.

http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showt...egory=National

[2gud]

Does anyone have demographic statistics - that of Belgaum city and Belgaum district? Anyone rational would naturally be concerned with that of the district as a city's demography alone will not decide which state it should be in. Otherwise most of the metropolitan cities would qualify for the same.

If belgaum district indeed has a marathi majority, is it like 80 M : 20 K or like 60 M : 40 K. Maybe in the later case it would lead to a mini district level civil war kind of situation if status quo is disturbed.

Also a case in point from Wikipedia:

"Maharashtra has a long standing dispute with Karnataka on the sovereignty of the Belgaum district in northwest Karnataka. When India's states were drawn on linguistic grounds, Belgaum was merged into Karnataka, despite having a large Marathi-speaking population. Recently, the Maharashtra government took the matter to the Supreme Court. The verdict is still pending. Nonetheless, Maharashtra considers Belgaum to be a part of the state and recognises its residents as its own. Historically having been ruled by the emperors of the ancient kingdom of Karnataka, the present Maharastra also has a major Kannada-speaking population-group in its southern districts, as well as in the major cities of Bombay and Pune."

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Seems like the KRV fellows did more damage than good to their cause by raking up a dying issue...

Belgaum: Old wounds reopened

M. Madan Mohan

Attack on Belgaum Mayor in Bangalore revives `dead issue'; MES takes up the issue in a big way

HUBLI: An issue, which is slowly dying out if not dead altogether, has been resurrected. This is how the attack on Belgaum Mayor Kiran More in Bangalore recently by members of the Kannada Hitarakshana Vedike and the angry reaction to it in Belgaum on Sunday can be described.

The Karnataka-Maharashtra dispute had practically lost its fervour with Karnataka demanding total implementation of the Mahajan Commission report under which Belgaum will stay with Karnataka. Maharashtra too had been slowly distancing itself from the issue.

The Maharashtra Ekikarana Samiti, whose objective is to get Belgaum transferred to Maharashtra, has been losing popularity in the region. Its performance in the Assembly election has been going down gradually.

From a tally of five seats it used to win regularly in the past, it has been able to manage only two.

In the Belgaum City Corporation, it is nothing unusual for the civic body to pass a resolution endorsing the demand for merger of Belgaum with Maharashtra. But the State Government has been rejecting such resolutions saying that they are beyond the powers of a civic body.

Karnataka rejected Maharashtra's contention that the outcome of Assembly results should be taken as the basis for deciding the future of disputed areas in Belgaum district.

The State rejected this plea on the ground that the Assembly elections are not held on the linguistic issue only and that other factors have a bearing on the electoral outcome.

The Kannada activists in Bangalore have been demanding that the State Government should supersede the Belgaum City Corporation.

It is in this context that the treatment meted to the Mayor of Belgaum should be viewed.

Mr. More was in Bangalore as the representative of Belgaum to discuss the water supply problem and not to discuss the border dispute.

And the humiliating treatment meted out to him and his friends has again reopened the linguistic rancour, which was getting healed gradually.

[viking]

This is naked dravidian persecution of Maharashtrians. Balgaum should be allowed to go to Maharashtra.

[Indian]

Originally Posted by viking

This is naked dravidian persecution of Maharashtrians. Balgaum should be allowed to go to Maharashtra.

yes yes ...i completely agree with you
muslims are persecuted in hindu dominated india
kashmir should go to pakistan






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you certainly need a dose of rotten vada pav..u missed it today morning at andheri station ?

[BadnaamGaandu]

Boss, baaki sab theek hai, but don't absue the wada pavs!

[echarcha]

Originally Posted by BadnaamGaandu

Boss, baaki sab theek hai, but don't absue the wada pavs!

If all states in India were drawn out based on language of the residents, then I dont see why Belgaum should remain with Karnataka. And this is not about re-districting all states again but only Belgaum as it has been an issue since so many years. I feel Supreme Court needs to step in and quickly give a verdict on the case.

[aby_baby]

Originally Posted by echarcha

If all states in India were drawn out based on language of the residents, then I dont see why Belgaum should remain with Karnataka. And this is not about re-districting all states again but only Belgaum as it has been an issue since so many years. I feel Supreme Court needs to step in and quickly give a verdict on the case.

Yup you are right that in an Ideal world Belgaum should revert to Maharashtra. But then there is more than what meets the eye.

The fact is Belgaum city has a majority of Marathi speaking people. However they are not a majority in the district. So you can't transfer the district to Maharashtra.

Secondly the villages from border of Maharashtra to Belgaum are mostly Kannada speaking. So how do you extend the borders of Maharashtra to Belgaum without affecting the Kannada speaking villages in between? You can't have a enclave of Maharashtra inside Karnataka. This is the reason why Belgaum is still in Karnataka.

Also inside Maharashtra there are areas in Solapur district which are Kannada speaking. They too face the same problem. No direct connectivity to Karnataka. The solution isnt as simple as it appears.

[aby_baby]

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.

Here is the extract of the report


The Commission in its recommendation allocated Kolar and Belgaum to Karnataka. Kolar town has a Tamil majority, the district has Telugu speaking majority and Kolar has strong relation with Karnataka (then Mysore State). Similarly regarding Belgaum it was stated that "all Taluks (ten) of Belgaum district have economic relations with both Marathi as well as the Kannada speaking areas. The Belgaum town is the centre of the transit trade in this area. Neither the Belgaum town nor the other disputed areas have any particular marked economic affiliation with Marathi speaking districts of Bombay. There is no case, therefore, for detaching either Khanapur or Belgaum or portions of Chikkodi from the rest of the Belgaum district ... If as many as nine out of the eleven taluks go to Karnataka (Chandgad going to Bombay and Belgaum being disputed), then, on administrative grounds, the Belgaum town which is the district headquarters along with Belgaum taluk should also go to Karnataka".5 Justice Mahajan in his Report on the Commission on Maharashtra-Mysore-Kerala Boundary Disputes, 1967 recommended that "The claim to the town of Belgaum is disallowed and the city is not recommended for transfer to the State of Maharashtra".6


The reason why Belgaum is in Karnataka is purely admistrative. Nothing to do with hatred Maharashtra. BTW Justice Mahajan himself was a Marathi speaking guy.

[Cooldude]

Originally Posted by aby_baby

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.

Nice post aby_baby... An eye opener indeed..

[krishnan]

I fully agree with Belgaum Mayor and also Viking. Belgaum city should be in Maharashtra.

Likewise, in Mumbai, Chembur should go to Tamilnadu, Bhandup to Kerala, Borivili to Gujarat and Bhendibazaar to Pakistan.

[viking]

Originally Posted by krishnan

I fully agree with Belgaum Mayor and also Viking. Belgaum city should be in Maharashtra.

Likewise, in Mumbai, Chembur should go to Tamilnadu, Bhandup to Kerala, Borivili to Gujarat and Bhendibazaar to Pakistan.

This issue is more than 45 years old. We are talking about the demographic layouts at that time. Not due to change in population compasitions over the years.

[rameshp]

Originally Posted by aby_baby

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.

Here is the extract of the report


The Commission in its recommendation allocated Kolar and Belgaum to Karnataka. Kolar town has a Tamil majority, the district has Telugu speaking majority and Kolar has strong relation with Karnataka (then Mysore State). Similarly regarding Belgaum it was stated that "all Taluks (ten) of Belgaum district have economic relations with both Marathi as well as the Kannada speaking areas. The Belgaum town is the centre of the transit trade in this area. Neither the Belgaum town nor the other disputed areas have any particular marked economic affiliation with Marathi speaking districts of Bombay. There is no case, therefore, for detaching either Khanapur or Belgaum or portions of Chikkodi from the rest of the Belgaum district ... If as many as nine out of the eleven taluks go to Karnataka (Chandgad going to Bombay and Belgaum being disputed), then, on administrative grounds, the Belgaum town which is the district headquarters along with Belgaum taluk should also go to Karnataka".5 Justice Mahajan in his Report on the Commission on Maharashtra-Mysore-Kerala Boundary Disputes, 1967 recommended that "The claim to the town of Belgaum is disallowed and the city is not recommended for transfer to the State of Maharashtra".6


The reason why Belgaum is in Karnataka is purely admistrative. Nothing to do with hatred Maharashtra. BTW Justice Mahajan himself was a Marathi speaking guy.

no viking will not accept that. he will comeback to say this guy was drugged and made to write the above report!

[style bhai]

Originally Posted by viking

This issue is more than 45 years old. We are talking about the demographic layouts at that time. Not due to change in population compasitions over the years.

agar kisi ne bol diya ki adha bombay south INDIA me mila do tho tu maan lega kya, just because the demography have been changed u cannot argue on that basis.
may be kannadigas are going to come up with one solution , throw all marathi speaking people out of karnataka(they are used to doing this,during kaveri crisis tamilians were killed in karnataka)

[rameshp]

Originally Posted by style bhai

agar kisi ne bol diya ki adha bombay south INDIA me mila do tho tu maan lega kya, just because the demography have been changed u cannot argue on that basis.
may be kannadigas are going to come up with one solution , throw all marathi speaking people out of karnataka(they are used to doing this,during kaveri crisis tamilians were killed in karnataka)

yes bhai, we south indians are assh*les. we keep on fighting among each other. but, i do remember 2 other states in india which fought over the rivers like karnataka and tamil do. i wonder what these states are and where they are loacated in?

hint: its over river Yamuna/Ravi-Beas and the states are????

oh, forgot, its only us south indians who are savages who keep fighting. so even these two sates shoud be in south. thanks for the remainder. we are barbarians! we kill northies. we perscute north, south, everyone. infact we f*ck whole of india! and we should probably join pakistan! and most of all we eat sambhar, rice and lick it off our forearms and elbows!