Islamic schools in US

[King]

I was surprised when I learnt yesterday about an Islamic school in the US.

http://www.privateschoolreview.com/s...school_id/2297

This is not a school in Islamic Studies. It is a KG level school for small kids with Islamic emphasis.

This school aparently has lessons in Arabic and is mostly made up of Desi students. Teachers also are mostly Desi.

Now I do not want to give this a negative slant by default. They may very well be doing good work as well as getting expatriate kids to learn something about their religion as well. However, I was troubled to learn about this and hence thought I will post it here and see what others' take on this is.

One thing that added to this feeling is that it is a well known fact that Desi muslims in US (In general) mix more with Muslim circles than Indian Circles.

[padhu]

King...nothing new in this.

There are 3 within the Northern Virginia area itself and as you correctly pointed out a lot of desis (Indian/Paki Muslims) have their kids enrolled there.

[echarcha]

So now USA will have homegrown terrorists!

[King]

Originally Posted by padhu

King...nothing new in this.

There are 3 within the Northern Virginia area itself and as you correctly pointed out a lot of desis (Indian/Paki Muslims) have their kids enrolled there.

I wonder why Muslim Indians feel different ( I am talking about the ones here in US). These are not the poor muslims in India, these are the people who have benefitted from India and are a testimony to how India treats Minorities. Why do they have to keep apart from the other Indians I wonder.

Is there similar Hindu schools in the US? I mean 90% of Indians in US must be Hindu and if there are no Hindu schools why do the remaining (<) 10% feel the necessity to have their own religious school.

[rameshp]

Originally Posted by King

Now I do not want to give this a negative slant by default.

you dont need to give a negative slant specifically, yaar. by default, issues involving muslim and islam have become negative. no wonder even if these kids end up in a terrorist camp in pukistan just like british asian kids!

[max de Indiana]

Originally Posted by echarcha

So now USA will have homegrown terrorists!

such schools must be shutdown immediately

[echarcha]

Originally Posted by King

I wonder why Muslim Indians feel different ( I am talking about the ones here in US). These are not the poor muslims in India, these are the people who have benefitted from India and are a testimony to how India treats Minorities. Why do they have to keep apart from the other Indians I wonder.

Is there similar Hindu schools in the US? I mean 90% of Indians in US must be Hindu and if there are no Hindu schools why do the remaining (<) 10% feel the necessity to have their own religious school.

King, let me tell you. For Muslims there is no concept of country and loyalty to their country. For them the only concept is "Ummah" - which means one land without boundaries under one God, their God.

So when an Indian Muslim comes to USA, he feels more comfortable mingling with other Muslims. They dont care about their homeland or the new home USA. Its all about their God and Islam. In the Bay Area there are certain 'Pakistani apartments' where only Muslims from India and Pak and other parts of the world live. You will never find Indian Muslims willing to stay in an apartment complex where other non-Muslim Indians, Americans, Chinese, others stay. They want to congregate in apartments where they are with their own. Go to certain areas of San Jose, Mountain View, Santa Clara and you will see what I mean.

Such schools will have heavy emphasis on Islamic teachings and do you think the students will learn an unbiased view of other religions?

[max de Indiana]

Originally Posted by echarcha

"Ummah" - which means one land without boundaries under one God, their God.

the theory seems like very ideal,....
world supposed to be like this...

but not according to what these dumb mullah thinks

[Desa]

Catholics have their own schools and so do jews. So what is the problem if the muslims are having their own school in order to preserve their religion. I know a islamic school which is approved by the board of education and they really teach their children to be best and loyal citizen of US, the country they are in now. Well as long as the question of muslim mingling with muslim pakistani. Do you ever stop to think that it could be more because muslim find more activities to do with muslims than with people of other religions. For example, almost every hindu drinks and it is ok with their religion. But for the muslim this is a big sin. So if the activity of hindu is to get drunk and enjoy, then a muslim will not like to mingle among other hindus. Similar is the case of vegetarian hindu. Now you wouldn't like your child to eat meat, which is allowed according to islam. Now when you are in US and are US citizen, then I don't think you should start thinking in the lines of India and pakistan anymore because all of you are citizen of the same country - US. If you still want to have those Indian-pakistani conflict, then go back to India.

If hindus don't have their own school, then they are to be blamed for not preserving their own culture. No government is here stopping them from opening their own private school. Why should muslims not preserve their own religion? And one more thing, if you have observed that Muslim culture in India differs a lot from hindu culture and it is more similar to pakistani culture. I have also seen that sikh from punjab mixes very well with pakistani punjabi than with any other Indian.Because they have a common language they can communicate with. As long as they don't talk about politics, they are really good friends. Similar is also the case of Indian and Pakistani muslims.

Instead of thinking in the terms of religion, start thinking about in terms of compatibility of one person with another on a personal level. How much they can connect with each other? Also on the same note let me also point this out to you that I have usually seen that Indian-pakistani muslims don't mix with arab muslims at all even though the religion is same.

[UMA]

Originally Posted by echarcha

So now USA will have homegrown terrorists!

your opnion does not count, because you are anti-muslim

[echarcha]

Originally Posted by Desa

Catholics have their own schools and so do jews. So what is the problem if the muslims are having their own school in order to preserve their religion. I know a islamic school which is approved by the board of education and they really teach their children to be best and loyal citizen of US, the country they are in now. Well as long as the question of muslim mingling with muslim pakistani. Do you ever stop to think that it could be more because muslim find more activities to do with muslims than with people of other religions. For example, almost every hindu drinks and it is ok with their religion. But for the muslim this is a big sin. So if the activity of hindu is to get drunk and enjoy, then a muslim will not like to mingle among other hindus. Similar is the case of vegetarian hindu. Now you wouldn't like your child to eat meat, which is allowed according to islam. Now when you are in US and are US citizen, then I don't think you should start thinking in the lines of India and pakistan anymore because all of you are citizen of the same country - US. If you still want to have those Indian-pakistani conflict, then go back to India.

If hindus don't have their own school, then they are to be blamed for not preserving their own culture. No government is here stopping them from opening their own private school. Why should muslims not preserve their own religion? And one more thing, if you have observed that Muslim culture in India differs a lot from hindu culture and it is more similar to pakistani culture. I have also seen that sikh from punjab mixes very well with pakistani punjabi than with any other Indian.Because they have a common language they can communicate with. As long as they don't talk about politics, they are really good friends. Similar is also the case of Indian and Pakistani muslims.

Instead of thinking in the terms of religion, start thinking about in terms of compatibility of one person with another on a personal level. How much they can connect with each other? Also on the same note let me also point this out to you that I have usually seen that Indian-pakistani muslims don't mix with arab muslims at all even though the religion is same.

The Jews or Christians or Hindus dont teach their young ones about 'jeehad' against 'infidels', where as Islam is based upon 'killing all non believers' . Islam is 'submission' and not the goody goody 'religion of peace'. Muslims dont owe alliegance to any country except their Allah and the concept of Ummah. So Muslims schools in USA might just be a modern versoin of the madarassa in USA. All this talk about teaching the kids to be loyal to USA. Ha ha ha ha.. remember that Muslim US marine who threw a hand grenade in his own camp and killed his fellow marines at the start of this Iraq war? Where was his loyalty?

India has been appeasing Muslims all the while and as a result seen more than its fair share of problems due to Muslims (Kashmir..) and USA has not learnt this bitter lesson yet.

UMA,
My opinion is atleast firm - I dont believe in this 'religion of peace'. You are welcome to embrace your next door friendly towelhead and blow yourself up to Allah's glory.

[Desa]

Originally Posted by echarcha

The Jews or Christians or Hindus dont teach their young ones about 'jeehad' against 'infidels', where as Islam is based upon 'killing all non believers' . Islam is 'submission' and not the goody goody 'religion of peace'. Muslims dont owe alliegance to any country except their Allah and the concept of Ummah. So Muslims schools in USA might just be a modern versoin of the madarassa in USA. All this talk about teaching the kids to be loyal to USA. Ha ha ha ha.. remember that Muslim US marine who threw a hand grenade in his own camp and killed his fellow marines at the start of this Iraq war? Where was his loyalty?

India has been appeasing Muslims all the while and as a result seen more than its fair share of problems due to Muslims (Kashmir..) and USA has not learnt this bitter lesson yet.

UMA,
My opinion is atleast firm - I dont believe in this 'religion of peace'. You are welcome to embrace your next door friendly towelhead and blow yourself up to Allah's glory.

I believe you haven't read anything about Islam specially these issues. By the way catholics openly owe allegiance to the Pope in Rome no matter which country they belong to. Also jews feel special relation to Israel. You remember one guy who wasn't loyal to his country. But there are others like Mansoor Ijaz (Terrorism expert, former nuclear adviser to Clinton administration, now working as a FOX News Channel foreign affairs and terrorism analyst) or Fareed Zakaria (The editor of Newsweek International and host of PBS's Foreign Exchange). For the biography of Mansoor Ijaz and Fareed Zakaria:
Fareed Zakaria's Biography
Mansoor Ijaz's biography
And since you are here pointing to some Muslims who have done bad. How about Timothy McVeigh (catholic), the one accused of Oklahoma City bombing or Eric Rudolph, Atlanta Olympic stadium bomber and other bombings. Eric Rudolph specially did it in the name of Christianity. Here is a link about him.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/cr.../eric-rudolph/

Also you are saying that the muslims are not going to be loyal to any country and India should have gotten rid of muslims. Lets look at some of the Muslims and their contribution to India.

1. APJ Abdul Kalam: Father of Indian missile technology and president of India (how dare he made those missiles knowing they might be used against pakistan)
2. Veer Abdul Hameed: Who single-handedly stood up to Pakistani tanks in India’s most famous win during the 1965 war with Pakistan. Awarded Param Veer Chakra for his bravery. (I still wonder why he killed his brother muslims)
3. Captain Hameeduddin: who laid down his life in capturing tiger hills during Kargil war.
4. Azeem Premji: Chief of WIPRO. One of the biggest player of India's IT revolution.

There is also a list of numerous freedom fighters on both violent and non-violent sides.

I wonder what the hell were they thinking when they started contributing. They weren't supposed to do that I think. Right.

[UMA]

Originally Posted by echarcha

UMA,
My opinion is atleast firm - I dont believe in this 'religion of peace'. You are welcome to embrace your next door friendly towelhead and blow yourself up to Allah's glory.

Your opinion spawns hatred you are more likely to be blown to pieces than I would.

[echarcha]

Originally Posted by UMA

Your opinion spawns hatred you are more likely to be blown to pieces than I would.

YOua re wrong. NOne of us stands a better chance at being saved. The religion of peace followers will just blow up a bomb and will not care if you love them or not.

[UMA]

Originally Posted by echarcha

YOua re wrong. NOne of us stands a better chance at being saved. The religion of peace followers will just blow up a bomb and will not care if you love them or not.

So, you will live your life in fear - but, not me

You are a paranoid and your paranoia is fear/distrust of muslims