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Old February 22nd, 2011, 04:28 AM
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J_U_D_G_E_M_E_N_T____D_A_Y : Godhara Train Burning

GODHARA VICTIMS FINALLY GET JUSTICE

The special court sends 31 people to jail, acquits 63, for burning the S-5, S-6 coaches of Sabarmati Express on 26-02-2002.

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India Court Finds 31 Guilty of Godhra Train Burning

By Vibhuti Agarwal

NEW DELHI--A special court in India's western state of Gujarat Tuesday found 31 people guilty of setting fire to a passenger train in the town of Godhra, an incident that killed nearly 60 people and sparked widespread communal unrest in the state almost a decade ago.

The court, which began hearing the case in 2009, pronounced the judgment on the role of 94 people accused of burning a carriage of the Sabarmati Express train near Godhra in February 2002. Many of those killed in the fire were Hindu activists returning from a pilgrimage to the town of Ayodhya.

The fire set off days of rioting in Gujarat, when more than 1,000 people – the majority of them Muslim – were killed. The chief minister of the state, Narendra Modi, was accused of failing to protect Muslims from Hindu mobs, a charge he has continuously denied.

The court in Ahmedabad Tuesday convicted 31 people of criminal conspiracy in the train burning case, but acquitted 63 others. All had been imprisoned for the past nine years.

The convicted will be sentenced on Feb. 25, special public prosecutor, J.M. Panchal, told television news channels Tuesday.

There has been much debate in India over the past nine years about whether the incident that sparked the violence — the deaths of the Hindus in the train — was the result of a criminal conspiracy to murder them or an unfortunate accident. Tuesday's conviction adds weight to the claim of those — including Mr. Modi's Gujarat government and the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, of which he is a senior leader — that the passengers were deliberately killed by a Muslim mob.

Immediately after the attack on the train, state police arrested more than 100 people as suspects. But the trial was stalled for years as official inquiry commissions tried to decide whether a crime had occurred at all, and if so, whether it was an impulse attack or carefully planned.

The results of previous inquiries have been contradictory. A national inquiry ordered by former Minister of Railways Lalu Prasad Yadav ruled in 2006 that the train fire was an accident. But a state commission appointed by the Gujarat government and headed by retired judge G.T. Nanavati said in 2008 that the deaths on the train were the result of a premeditated conspiracy.

In Tuesday's verdict, the court upheld the state commission's finding that it was a planned attack.

"The motive of conspiracy was to set the train on fire. There can be no debate on [the] judicial verdict. The verdict is based on oral evidence and eyewitness accounts," Mr. Panchal said outside the court in Ahmedabad.
He added, however, that one of the main accused, Maulana Umarji, was among the 63 acquitted due to lack of evidence.

Spokesmen for the government of Gujarat and the Bharatiya Janata Party said the court judgment vindicated their efforts to prove the passengers were murdered.

"The fact is, this has been accepted as a well-hatched conspiracy," said Gujarat government spokesman Jaynarayan Vyas.

Ravi Shakar Prasad, senior leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party, called the verdict an, "assurance that law prevails over the intentions of those pseudo-secularists who disowned the tragic incident."

Earlier this month, a Supreme Court panel criticized Mr. Modi for failing to stop the riots and for making wrong decisions. Mr. Modi, one of the political stars of the Bharatiya Janata Party, has defended himself against accusations that he didn't do enough to protect the state's Muslim population against the attacking mobs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...429720246.html
Of course, our venerable Congress does not want to comment on the judgement. (link)

Refresh your memories of the train burning incident by reading this.

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is that complete justice? hmmm perhaps still remains to be seen.
the most solace taken from this judgement is the acceptance of conspiracy.
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GODHARA VICTIMS FINALLY GET JUSTICE

The results of previous inquiries have been contradictory. A national inquiry ordered by former Minister of Railways Lalu Prasad Yadav ruled in 2006 that the train fire was an accident. But a state commission appointed by the Gujarat government and headed by retired judge G.T. Nanavati said in 2008 that the deaths on the train were the result of a premeditated conspiracy.

so we have 2 earlier judgements,
one calling it a premeditated conspiracy.
second calling it a accident.
this 3rd court verdict calls it a conspiracy.

we had one more 4th judgement by an in-house expert. how come lalu did not think of this

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RT bhai. The fact is that modi's role/act/reaction in 2002 riots is not acceptable for all... What will be your reaction when truth will reveal that godhra train carmage was rss plan executed by modi on contract basis? I dont know who the deobandis are? If they are saudi's talwa lickers then they are associated with rss
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is that complete justice? hmmm perhaps still remains to be seen.
the most solace taken from this judgement is the acceptance of conspiracy.
Complete justice regarding which crime, brother? This is justice for the victims of the train burning incident only. Of course, the matter will be taken to higher courts by the various parties. The prosecution will seem conviction of the 63 acquitted persons (which includes the main suspect), the convicted persons will file pleas against the judgement etc..

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so we have 2 earlier judgements,
one calling it a premeditated conspiracy.
second calling it a accident.
this 3rd court verdict calls it a conspiracy.

we had one more 4th judgement by an in-house expert. how come lalu did not think of this
This was the judgement by the special court appointed to deal with this case only. I think the earlier were inquiry commission reports, weren't they?
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Complete justice regarding which crime, brother? This is justice for the victims of the train burning incident only. Of course, the matter will be taken to higher courts by the various parties. The prosecution will seem conviction of the 63 acquitted persons (which includes the main suspect), the convicted persons will file pleas against the judgement etc..

This was the judgement by the special court appointed to deal with this case only. I think the earlier were inquiry commission reports, weren't they?
I am referring to the fact that sentencing is yet to be done. I remember the disappointment at the bhopal gas tragedy sentencing and thought - even though the case was won, it was no justice at all!
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The sentencing is scheduled for 25th, 3 days to go.
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this will reach supreme court, i some times wonder why to have session court and high court etc, better to have one supreme court and its associates, at least some time and energy will be saved

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It has taken 9 years in the lower court and there are complaints of delays. Had it gone straight to the SC, it would have taken 20 years and you would have had more complaints of delays. Anyway, this pyramid of lower courts, high court, supreme court, presidential consideration .. all, are what make the justice system workable and not yield to kangaroo courts. If you want one court and quick justice, you may have taliban style courts..
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Exactly. Indian judicial system is a joke.

but this judgement served some purpose today ..and sent a message that there is still come value left for hindu lives in india.

i was watching this news coverage in CNN IBN today...that bitch teesta seetalvad along with rajdeep & manish tewari are only worried about post-godhra riots and narendra modi bashing. They did not open their mouth in support of this judgement...instead they went to an extent finding faults in the judgement.
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have you people noticed working of armed forces tribunal in that case, lt gen rath got punished for sukhna land scam with in months. now of course, gen rath will appeal is SC. even now godhra case will take 20 years, our case is running since 84 and is still in highcourt, and after these 26 years another 25 in SC, it makes it 50 years, cant parliamentarians formulate another bill stipulating time frame according to alleged offence, imgaine sukhna case in regular course. gen rath would have gone unpunished or something similar to Win Chadda of Bofors scam

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I think the courts need to tread cautiously in such cases. Compare it with the '93 mumbai blast case.. how long did that take? Anyway, here you have more than 100 accused, so maybe 100 lawyers wanting to have their say, and must be given too, so that no one can appeal on the grounds that he/she wasn't heard.. quite a khichdi.
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Why don't we 'appoint' retired British,American, German, French etc.. judges to clear up and expidiate cases so that 'justice is done'!
Of course, don't pay them a 'salary'------let it be 'social work'!
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