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Old November 8th, 2003, 02:37 PM
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Thumbs down jayalalitha's dastardly attempt to curb free speech

what the fuk is going on here? the state government of tamil nadu has gone mad



Top India paper staff face jail
Senior staff at one of India's leading newspapers have gone into hiding after authorities in the state of Tamil Nadu ordered their arrest.
Police raided The Hindu's offices after the state assembly sentenced five journalists to 15 days in prison for what it called breach of privilege.

The Hindu newspaper had carried stories critical of the state government.

In a front page editorial on Saturday, the newspaper said the raid was a violation of the right to free speech.

Shortly after the Tamil Assembly ordered the journalists' detention, dozens of police officers, some in riot gear, raided the offices of the 125-year-old newspaper in Madras.

The Hindu's editor-in chief N Ram refused to let them enter without an arrest warrant, insisting that the journalists they sought - the editor, executive editor, publisher and two reporters - were not there.

The officers returned a short while later with one warrant, and carried out a full search of the premises under the glare of the television cameras.

The privileges committee of the assembly of Tamil Nadu said that four articles in The Hindu last April had been in gross contempt of the assembly.

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At the heart of the row are the newspaper's descriptions of the state's chief minister, Jayalalitha.


The BBC's Charles Havilland in Madras says she is a charismatic, confrontational and highly sensitive former film diva, whose party dominates the assembly.
One of The Hindu's reports described her as having delivered "stinging abuse" against opposition politicians in "a high-pitched tone".

Another talked of her delivering " a diatribe".



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jayalalitha should be flogged with a chabuk for this
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When erudite judges are jealously concious of their 'priveleges', and haul criticisors into court for 'contempt of court', even if their comments are true, why pick on the humble politicians, when they ARE in the BUSINESS OF POLITICS for the pelf, power and privileges?
The major problem is that our press too is highly irresponsible, and many a times indulges in 'instigative journalism', often based on heresay, and sometimes, blatant lies!
Politicians, whose careers are very often nearly destroyed by such highly biased reporting, then act this way.
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I am not saying that what Jayalalitha did is right, but from what I have seen The Hindu is even more anti-national than IE. Its very much pro-Pak

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i think the point is that sending journalists to prison for printing something that politicians disapprove of is too draconian.

it is an unacceptable curb on freedom of the press and expression and incompatible with the the workings of a civilised democracy which, believe it or not, india is supposed to be.

using a sledgehammer to crack a nut in this way is unacceptable. there are remedies available for untrue publications which should be used instead of imprisonment. the threat of imprisonment is a tool used by repressive states all over the world to supress the truth and india should not be amongst those nations.

only if what is published jeopardises national security should imprisonment be used against the press.
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i think the point is that sending journalists to prison for printing something that politicians disapprove of is too draconian.

it is an unacceptable curb on freedom of the press and expression and incompatible with the the workings of a civilised democracy which, believe it or not, india is supposed to be.

using a sledgehammer to crack a nut in this way is unacceptable. there are remedies available for untrue publications which should be used instead of imprisonment. the threat of imprisonment is a tool used by repressive states all over the world to supress the truth and india should not be amongst those nations.

only if what is published jeopardises national security should imprisonment be used against the press.
I agree fully.
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Freedom is one thing. Licence is another.
The problem is further exacerbated when the press plays favourites. for instance, The chief election commissioner, Mr. Lyngdhow was extremely hostile to Modi during the Gujrat elections, and the english press went hammer and tongs after Modi to report any inadequacy on his Govts. part in the runnup to the elections.
The same Lyngdhow, the other day, remarked that the Gujrat officials were a lot more impartial and transparent than the officials of Ajit Jogi's Chhatisgarh!
Except for reporting Lyngdhow's comments, the press has kept a conspiratorial quietness about the affairs in Chhatisgarh!
This suggests a degree of 'pliability' in our journalists to our paranoid politicians.
JJ is merely trying SAAM DAAM DANDA BHED to get these Hindu guys 'on her side'.
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but every newspaper has it's political bias and operates to it's own political agenda. that is still no reason to imprison.
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Bias is O.K.
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i agree that dishonesty is not ok but in the interests of total freedom of the press it is still not ok to imprison or even threaten imprisonment.

dishonesty in the case of the press usually means bias in favour of one party. the other party will always accuse the media of dishonesty. the media can, and always does, hide behind the concept of editorial freedom. that is life.

there will always be other newspapers reporting in favour of the other argument. in a democratic society one has to live with this.

otherwise risk being lumped with countries like argentina , cuba ,pakistan ,afghanistan ,etc
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In India the laws are sooo skewed that a guy earning 5000/- p. m. MUST pay I.T. while a 'farmer' who can buy a 5000000/- Mercedes doesn't.
A guy called Vittal came up with this crazy law:
In India, people who can, get ALL the work. Those who can't, get ALL the privileges.
In India, politicians and the press are a highly pampered lot. Basically, they are beads from the same necklace. They are sooo pampered and privileged that both of them think AND ACT as though they are beyond the pale of the Law (Laws are for common folks)

'coJaya had no role in Assembly arrest order: Speaker
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CHENNAI, NOVEMBER 9: Tamil Nadu Assembly Speaker K. Kalimuthu today said that Chief Minister J. Jayalalithaa had ‘‘absolutely no part individually’’ in the Assembly’s decision to sentence six senior journalists to 15 days’ imprisonment.
In a statement issued here, Kalimuthu said it was he, who had suo motu referred to the Committee of Privileges the articles and editorials published in The Hindu and Murasoli. ‘‘The chief minister did not make any request to me,’’ he said.

Centre seeks Hindu report

CHENNAI, NOVEMBER 9
The Hindu will send the Union Home Ministry a detailed report on the police entry into its office here, as well as the interception of their car in Bangalore last night, editor-in-chief N. Ram said today. On the sidelines of a fast undertaken by journalists in Chennai to condemn the state Assembly’s decision ordering the arrest of six journalists, including editors of The Hindu and Murasoli, for ‘‘breach of privilege’’, Ram told reporters that the Union Minister of State for Home I.D. Swamy wanted a report on the incidents. Ram said he was not demanding the invocation of article 356 in the state, as it is was not their ‘‘business’’. He said that he and his brother N. Murali, the joint managing director of The Hindu, were intercepted last night in Bangalore by five persons claiming to be Tamil Nadu police officers. He had already narrated the incident to the media in Bangalore, he said, adding that the persons who intercepted their car mistook Murali for N. Ravi, the editor of The Hindu. A complaint was lodged with the Bangalore police, who have picked up five persons since then, but he is not sure that they are the same persons, he said. He thanked the Karnataka government for taking immediate action on the complaint. Ram quoted Ravi Shankar Prasad as saying that The Hindu was being subjected to improper things and that it would ultimately win.(PTI).



He accused the media of ‘‘whipping up a totally unwarranted and personal campaign’’ against Jayalalithaa. The Speaker said there was no justification to drag her name as the decision to sentence the journalists was a collective one.

The Privileges Committee, which includes Opposition MLAs as members, had met on May 5, 12, October 1, 14 and 27 and November 6 to make its final recommendations. A 16-page written submission of The Hindu was looked into and both newspapers were given adequate opportunity to explain their respective positions, he said.

‘‘The intention of the framers of the Constitution was to ensure that the Legislative Assembly is able to function in an independent and free manner. Article 194 of the Constitution clearly sets out the powers, privileges, and immunities of a House of the Legislature and of the members and Committees of House. This is to ensure that members of the House can voice their opinion on issues with absolute freedom,’’ he said.

Meanwhile, Information and Broadcasting Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad today said in New Delhi that he would request the TN Speaker to reverse the Assembly resolution. He termed the incident as ‘‘unfortunate’’ and ‘‘regrettable.

The bottom line is that we cannot expect normal interaction between these two: politicians and the press!
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mistake jayalalitha doing is, not presenting herself "properly'.
She can fok around news papers, no problem..uske liye ek thareeka hain. Learn something from George Fernandes and team..and how the foked up Tehelka.
May be she need some lessons on how to screw people & companies in a "Decent Way" from Chandrababu Naidu
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The bottom line is that we cannot expect normal interaction between these two: politicians and the press!
they make very strange bedfellows indeed
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Kil unkil and Netra madam, Lets not judge the newpaper before reading the article

This is what got The Hindu Editors into trouble with JJ.. hardly any political bias.. just an editorial critisizing her.


Link: http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2...2500281000.htm

Rising Intolerance.

WITH EACH PASSING day, the Jayalalithaa administration in Tamil Nadu seems to be scaling new heights of intolerance. The crude use of state power against various sections including political opponents and the independent media shows a contempt for the democratic spirit that is deeply disturbing. Perhaps because she was at the receiving end of a series of criminal cases filed by the previous DMK administration, she sees her return to power as an opportunity to wield the sanctioning and prosecuting power of the state blatantly to her political advantage. In the process, the law and order machinery is working overtime and the administration seems to be trampling on the basic rights of the people. The Government should feel secure with its huge mandate and use the opportunity to concentrate on the tasks of governance without even the distractions of a political challenge. Ironically, it is instead behaving like an administration which is unsure of itself and is living from day to day. Its inordinate appetite for political confrontation is bound to take a heavy toll in terms of diminution of democratic rights and the welfare of the State as a whole. The courts can no doubt be counted upon to protect the rights, but the disturbing frequency with which people have had to resort to courts for relief and the fact that respect for democratic norms has to be brought home through court rulings reflect poorly on the style of governance.

At one time, along with the Chief Ministers of neighbouring States, not even the Prime Minister was spared from Ms. Jayalalithaa's vehement attack — a development that the Supreme Court took serious note of and made her withdraw. A far more serious attack was launched against her political opponents within the State in the form of prosecutions, arrests and detentions. The media too have come under pressure with a slew of defamation cases that are quite unparalleled. The latest in this pattern of functioning is the privilege issue taken up by the Tamil Nadu Assembly over three reports of its proceedings published in The Hindu. A series of descriptive phrases, mostly about the Chief Minister's speeches, strung together from separate reports have been collectively referred to the Assembly's Privileges Committee, and given its composition, the outcome hinges critically on the attitude of the AIADMK members. The phrases objected to in a statement made by the Speaker include "stinging abuse", "unrestrained attacks on the opposition", "fumed", "incensed", "chastisement" and "diatribe", all used in different contexts in describing Ms. Jayalalithaa's speeches on different occasions. These phrases are described as indecent and their use is said to be motivated by a desire to diminish the goodwill and fame that the Government enjoys. The phrases are said to constitute baseless accusations and their publication is said to be derogatory to the dignity of the House and a breach of its privilege.

It is useful to note in this context that the device of privilege of the legislature exists to protect its free and independent functioning, and not to protect the reputation of the Government or of individual members. This was made clear by the Speaker of the Lok Sabha with reference to the remarks of Rajaji that the Congress had declined and its legislators "were such people whom any first class magistrate would round up." He was following a ruling in the House of Commons that "hard words used against persons and parties are dealt with, if necessary, by the law of defamation and it is only where the House as a whole is affected... a question of privilege arises." The House of Commons on whose practice the privileges of legislatures are still based does not allow privilege issues to be raised over reports of proceedings unless they relate to proceedings behind closed doors or expunged portions of any speech. Because of its extraordinary nature and because the legislature sits in judgement on its own cause or in the matter of an important member, it ought to be used only rarely when there is real obstruction to its functioning, and not in a way that sets legislators above ordinary comment and criticism. To invoke it lightly or to ward off innocuous, even if unflattering, comments on individual legislators would be grossly offensive to the democratic spirit and would inhibit independent reporting and assessment of the performance of legislators. The tone of the speeches, the quality of debates, the behaviour of the legislators, the nature and importance of the business transacted, violence, walk outs and the space allowed for the opposition are all matters that are legitimately commented upon in all democracies. The Supreme Court while upholding the constitutional validity of parliamentary privilege, observed that "we are well persuaded that our Houses, like the House of Commons will appreciate the benefit of publicity and will not exercise the powers, privileges and immunities except in gross cases" and it is incumbent on legislatures not to act in a way that betrays that trust.
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When erudite judges are jealously concious of their 'priveleges', and haul criticisors into court for 'contempt of court', even if their comments are true, why pick on the humble politicians, when they ARE in the BUSINESS OF POLITICS for the pelf, power and privileges?
The major problem is that our press too is highly irresponsible, and many a times indulges in 'instigative journalism', often based on heresay, and sometimes, blatant lies!
Politicians, whose careers are very often nearly destroyed by such highly biased reporting, then act this way.
Its not that each community...either press or politics is free of bias or irresponsible behavior...the point is that if press is reporting something...and even if it is wrong...u cant just take vindictive action and get some one arrested.
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