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Will Congress stop hoarding onions? Like they did and people of Delhi voted out a good govt and brought Sheila Dickshit. Come to think of it public of Delhi is quite gullible.
LOL! Congress is hoarding onions, is their anything else BJP can think of?

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Do you mean to say onion prices were always stable during congress rule ? If you check the percentage of price rise onions were more expensive in this season during congress rule.
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Onion are disaster, OROP is stranger.

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Do you mean to say onion prices were always stable during congress rule ? If you check the percentage of price rise onions were more expensive in this season during congress rule.
No. I mean to say that government is pursuing mundane issue, Aurangzeb is long gone and mostly doesn't matter, what matter is Onions, so let them reduce prices.

If price rise is same like Congress govt then what is the difference?

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Please understand difference between government (GoI) and a few MPs of ruling party acting individually.

I will stick with my point of hoarding onions, Congress has done it before, they have tried politics over everything. Use scam money to destabilize whenever they are out of power. During UPA2 onions price rose and was stabilized over few months by Sharad Pawar the food minister by exporting onions from China, I have some sources that told me this was planned over months, including how media will play it out.

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Owaisi senior says that this renaming is wrong because postal department will have problems

On a serious note, such a murderer can be supported only by one kaum. No prices for guessing
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'Aurangzeb Road' comes up in Delhi, SDMC terms move as illegal
The stretch of nearly 3km, locally called as 'Pushta Road', has been "named" as 'Aurangzeb Road' by former MLA Asif Mohammed Khan.
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NEW DELHI: Amid raging controversy over renaming of Aurangzeb Road in Lutyens' Zone after APJ Abdul Kalam, a street in south Delhi has been 'named' after the Mughal emperor, triggering a fresh row, even as SDMC termed it as "illegal" and said action will be taken accordingly.

The stretch of nearly 3km from Kalindi Kunj to Jamia Nagar, locally called as 'Pushta Road', has been "named" as 'Aurangzeb Road' by former Congress Okhla MLA Asif Mohammed Khan, who says he did this in "protest against the renaming of the historic road by the NDMC."

"Home minister Rajnath Singh had recently said in Parliament that names of historical places and buildings cannot be changed. Then, how come it was allowed to change the name of 'Aurangzeb Road'? And, therefore as a token protest, we chose to call this as 'Aurangzeb Road'," 49-year-old Khan said.

The former MLA, who has also served as a councillor from the area in the 90s, claimed, "Local residents of Okhla are with me, and we will approach the authorities concerned for its official naming."

The area falls under the Central Zone of the South Delhi Municipal Corporation (SDMC).

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The former MLA, who has put up "10 vinyl boards" at regular distance, said "permanent metallic board would be installed tomorrow".

"This 'naming' of a street is illegal and politically motivated. Any naming or renaming of roads in municipal areas has to be approved by its Naming Committee and the Standing Committee. Though the area falls under us, we are also hearing that the road probably falls under the Uttar Pradesh Flood and Irrigation Department.

READ ALSO: Delhi's Aurangzeb Road to be renamed as Abdul Kalam Road, report says

"We are trying to find out, and if it turns out that the road belongs to us (SDMC), then we will take strict action and remove all boards and encroachments. We are anyway against keeping or naming a road after any brutal ruler, so we are against this move," South Delhi Mayor Subhash Arya said.

Khan, when asked, if action is initiated against him, said, "In the new boards, we have written the street name in three languages -- Hindi, Urdu and English -- and I have also put my name at the bottom. I take full responsibility. But, this is not about Aurangzeb's validity."

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"It is about attempts to change history, and about Hindutava policy that we are opposing. And, if they deny us naming this road after Aurangzeb, we will not only take to streets, but also start a movement to name two streets after the Mughal ruler in other cities also," he told PTI.

"We respect Kalam sahab and real tribute could have been a new university named after him. Why was name of a man like him dragged into controversy after his death? It is all politics, so we named in protest against this," he said.
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Please understand difference between government (GoI) and a few MPs of ruling party acting individually.

I will stick with my point of hoarding onions, Congress has done it before, they have tried politics over everything. Use scam money to destabilize whenever they are out of power. During UPA2 onions price rose and was stabilized over few months by Sharad Pawar the food minister by exporting onions from China, I have some sources that told me this was planned over months, including how media will play it out.
See how inept BJP is, you know this and they don't?
Can't they have counter strategy?

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How about a Hitler road in Germany?
How hitler can be compared to Aurangzeb?

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Can't they have counter strategy?



How hitler can be compared to Aurangzeb?

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Both were tyrants.

Both bought about the downfall of their individual kingdoms by their actions.

Both attempted at genocide, one was physical and the other was cultural.

Both committed murder of their close ones to rise to power. One killed his brother, the other killed his own party members.

Both fought doomed wars against their opponents.

Both were paragons of private virtue, but public evil.

Perhaps the only difference is that one died in his bed and the other bit a cyanide vial and shot himself through the mouth.
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I never understood why Tarek is so anti-Pakistani.

I like Hassan Nisar more than him

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Tarek suffered a lot in Pakistan- jailed few time I guess
Hassan nisar truly love Pakistan but hate paki-politicians/mullah & admire Indians--both are very emotional.

but - Dr Pervej hoodbhoy is very practical person - his view on any topic is very rational

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Both were tyrants.

Both bought about the downfall of their individual kingdoms by their actions.

Both attempted at genocide, one was physical and the other was cultural.

Both committed murder of their close ones to rise to power. One killed his brother, the other killed his own party members.

Both fought doomed wars against their opponents.

Both were paragons of private virtue, but public evil.

Perhaps the only difference is that one died in his bed and the other bit a cyanide vial and shot himself through the mouth.
1. Every king is tyrant. Hitler toppled democracy in Germany, we never had one to topple.

2. What is cultural genocide? Is it possible with physical one?

3. Brothers were contestant to power, party memebers had different ideology

4. Aurangzeb pretty much held empire together, contained Shivaji in his hills and no abdali/Durrani had guts to attack India then

5. Agree on 5th point

6. One left a thriving empire another left a defeated Reich

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Tarek suffered a lot in Pakistan- jailed few time I guess
Hassan nisar truly love Pakistan but hate paki-politicians/mullah & admire Indians--both are very emotional.

but - Dr Pervej hoodbhoy is very practical person - his view on any topic is very rational

check this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pazUxEOdS_w
Pervez is fine. I find hassan more practical and plus we never had someone like Mr Nisar in our country

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1. Every king is tyrant. Hitler toppled democracy in Germany, we never had one to topple.

2. What is cultural genocide? Is it possible with physical one?

3. Brothers were contestant to power, party memebers had different ideology

4. Aurangzeb pretty much held empire together, contained Shivaji in his hills and no abdali/Durrani had guts to attack India then

5. Agree on 5th point

6. One left a thriving empire another left a defeated Reich



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1. Agreed, all kings are tyrants, but even then there can be degrees of their tyranny. One can understand a King who harshly tries to maintain his power over another who imposes unneeded cruelty over his subjects. So while all rulers are tyrants, some amongst them are exceptionally so.

2. Cultural genocide is what you call when one attempts to erase the cultural identity of a particular group of people. This is happening right now under the ISIS if you want a current relevant example.

3. These differences are superficial.

4 & 6. Aurangzeb's wars doomed the Mughal Empire to bankruptcy and downfall. There is no gain in conquest if you are incapable of retaining any of the territory you conquered. The decline of the Mughal Empire was caused by the shortsighted actions of Aurangzeb who bit off more than he could chew.
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left a thriving empire

the attempt to contain shivaji and shivaji's successors in the hills did not leave the empire thriving , but instead emptied the treasury and weakened the empire after his death . no wonder he was the LAST great mughal . and the marathas did conquer a large part of mughal territory after aurangzeb's death---gujarat , malwa , bundelkhand , orrissa , chattisgarh , even delhi , and mahadji shinde kept the mughal emperor as puppet in his control .

but why do you want shivaji contained in the hills . he represented the hopes and aspirations of hindus---the major portion of the empire's population , for shivaji was the only king who wrote a letter ( brilliant one at that ) to aurangzeb protesting against the jizya tax on hindus . and those hindus were being crushed by aurangzeb by taxes such as jizya...

do you realize that talking about containing shivaji in the hills as being a good thing is like saying that suppressing the sikhs and killing guru gobind singh's sons was good thing .
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1.Both were tyrants.

2.Both bought about the downfall of their individual kingdoms by their actions.

3.Both attempted at genocide, one was physical and the other was cultural.

4.Both committed murder of their close ones to rise to power. One killed his brother, the other killed his own party members.

5.Both fought doomed wars against their opponents.

6.Both were paragons of private virtue, but public evil.

7.Perhaps the only difference is that one died in his bed and the other bit a cyanide vial and shot himself through the mouth.
1. Right But applicable for most of the ruler. Aurangzeb at-least followed a constitution to his understanding, Many kings would have beheaded people if they didn't like their faces, he didn't do it.

2. Downfall of his kingdom was brought by his sins but it wasn't as abrupt as Hitler, he died as ruler of kingdom larger than Indian subcontinent.

3. He might have killed people who weren't Hardliner Muslim But it wasn't as Genocide. If exaggerated accounts were true he had plenty of time to wipe out our ancestors. He reign for 50 years.

4. Again many rulers has done it in past, Ashok also did the same.

5. This point is absolutely wrong, His opponents never been able to do much. They kept him busy But they never achieved much as long as he was alive.

6. Hitler wasn't much for personal virtue, and Aurangzeb wasn't that much evil as we want him to be.

7. By the crimes Aurangzeb committed it was a mercy he died in comfort of his bed, most of his opponents didn't get that much
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1. Agreed, all kings are tyrants, but even then there can be degrees of their tyranny. One can understand a King who harshly tries to maintain his power over another who imposes unneeded cruelty over his subjects. So while all rulers are tyrants, some amongst them are exceptionally so.

2. Cultural genocide is what you call when one attempts to erase the cultural identity of a particular group of people. This is happening right now under the ISIS if you want a current relevant example.

3. These differences are superficial.

4 & 6. Aurangzeb's wars doomed the Mughal Empire to bankruptcy and downfall. There is no gain in conquest if you are incapable of retaining any of the territory you conquered. The decline of the Mughal Empire was caused by the shortsighted actions of Aurangzeb who bit off more than he could chew.
Then no cultural genocide took place, some act like Guru Teg Bhahadur and Banda Singh Bhadur were as much political as religious. What was India's contribution to world's GDP when Aurangzeb left?

Tyranny itself can be magnified to the higher scale to mobilize present masses. I can understand massacre of Delhites by afghans and then Persians but it was never at the scale of concentration camp and Zyklon B. Aurangzeb was tough ruler who was hard but mughal empire under him was not ISIS, even if RSS History books teaches so.



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the attempt to contain shivaji and shivaji's successors in the hills did not leave the empire thriving , but instead emptied the treasury and weakened the empire after his death . no wonder he was the LAST great mughal . and the marathas did conquer a large part of mughal territory after aurangzeb's death---gujarat , malwa , bundelkhand , orrissa , chattisgarh , even delhi , and mahadji shinde kept the mughal emperor as puppet in his control .

but why do you want shivaji contained in the hills . he represented the hopes and aspirations of hindus---the major portion of the empire's population , for shivaji was the only king who wrote a letter ( brilliant one at that ) to aurangzeb protesting against the jizya tax on hindus . and those hindus were being crushed by aurangzeb by taxes such as jizya...

do you realize that talking about containing shivaji in the hills as being a good thing is like saying that suppressing the sikhs and killing guru gobind singh's sons was good thing .
There is no good in war. Fall of Mughal empire was a result of inept later-mughal who followed Aurangzeb, in all essence, it was like fall of Mauryan empire, you want to down a squadron of Aircraft, just have an inept Wing commander as incharge. The last mughal was Bhahdur Shah Zafar.

I do not want to contain shivaji in hills, how can I do that, its history and it is what it is, if people destroy history, the poor understanding of event then destroy masses.

Jiziya was bad and so was Zakat tax and Jiziya was surplus tax it was never as crushing as it was made out to be. had it been you would have seen hoards of conversion which never happened.

The act of Shivaji and of Sikhs was more of civil disobedience by violent means as I understand it and so repercussions were in the same tone, equally violent. What would have happened if Same revolt of Muslims would have occured in Hindu Kingdom.
Conditions of Muslims in Khalsa empire was as good as conditions of Hindus in Mughal empire.

Aurangzeb is controversial and so is his history but why is it being forgotten or destroyed?

and why government is using taxpayers money in painting different name on signboard instead of reducing prices of essential commodities

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