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Old July 31st, 2012, 12:56 PM
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yes both statements are objective, but a person who regards both statements as his views at a give point of time needs to undergo treatment for bipolar disorder or multiple personality disorder.
There is no contradiction between the two statements to give rise to the possibility of mental disorder/dissonance. Again you are in the trap of subjectivity.


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There is no contradiction between the two statements to give rise to the possibility of mental disorder/dissonance. Again you are in the trap of subjectivity.


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there is no contradiction in the two statements. same person holding both statements as his view at the same time is an anamoly....

example
Indian Legal view
Kasab is a terrorist who murdered people.

Jihadi view maybe
Kasab is a hero who fought in jihad against India
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Old July 31st, 2012, 01:00 PM
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perhaps... but then I refer to your earlier post -

Reality is not about latent intentions, convictions or lamentations. Reality is all about those who acted on these feelings. They made the world. Not we who sit in this forum and just debate.
Again there is no contradictions. All I say is that there is not enough data to make a proper conclusion on the event. Sure, the information exists, but not with us. If you can find more information on this, we can all revise our conclusion to give a better description of the event.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 01:04 PM
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there is no contradiction in the two statements. same person holding both statements as his view at the same time is an anamoly....

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Kasab is a terrorist who murdered people.

Jihadi view maybe
Kasab is a hero who fought in jihad against India
Are you claiming that the Indian legal view will not accept that Kasab was a man attempting to sacrifice himself in the course of Jihad. One side will accept he is a terrorist, the other side a hero. But both will objectively agree that Kasab is willing to give up his life in this process. Do you think that the Indian Legal system while judging Kasab for crimes will simply ignore his motivations and his commitment towards the same? If so then you are missing a very large part of the picture because of lack of objectivity.
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Are you claiming that the Indian legal view will not accept that Kasab was a man attempting to sacrifice himself in the course of Jihad. One side will accept he is a terrorist, the other side a hero. But both will objectively agree that Kasab is willing to give up his life in this process.
correct, while one wants to punish him, the other wants to revere him.
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correct, while one wants to punish him, the other wants to revere him.
Thats true, but base motivations and the indoctrination accompanying it will never be ignored.

If a man does a crime without a broader motivation, he is a criminal.

If he does so under such greater motivations, then his crimes must be seen in a new/different light. So if we are to defeat the likes of Kasab, we cannot afford to ignore this broader context which guided his actions and crimes. Doing so will be a fatal mistake leaving the problem unsolved i.e We will continue to treat Kasab and every other terrorists as simple criminals with no higher motivations connecting or linking the crimes together.
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Thats true, but base motivations and the indoctrination accompanying it will never be ignored.

If a man does a crime without a broader motivation, he is a criminal.

If he does so under such greater motivations, then his crimes must be seen in a new/different light. So if we are to defeat the likes of Kasab, we cannot afford to ignore this broader context which guided his actions and crimes. Doing so will be a fatal mistake leaving the problem unsolved i.e We will continue to treat Kasab and every other terrorists as simple criminals with no higher motivations connecting or linking the crimes together.
the point of this thread is we could get Kasab, for Davy and anderson we cant even treat them like common criminals leave aside having crimes to link together...
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Old August 2nd, 2012, 05:11 AM
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the point of this thread is we could get Kasab, for Davy and anderson we cant even treat them like common criminals leave aside having crimes to link together...
This is the flaw of the compromised Indian justice system, not the concept of Justice itself.
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This is the flaw of the compromised Indian justice system, not the concept of Justice itself.
no, its not a flaw of Indian justice system. we have requested extradition of Kim davy and aim to treat him same as kasab.

its the white man's justice that is flawed - white man does not want to extradite kim while making all noise about extraditing brown/black skins from anywhere to anywhere...
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no, its not a flaw of Indian justice system. we have requested extradition of Kim davy and aim to treat him same as kasab.

its the white man's justice that is flawed - white man does not want to extradite kim while making all noise about extraditing brown/black skins from anywhere to anywhere...
Well, you have to understand the depth of the political nexus in the justice system. The white-men know that Kim will not be treated the same as Kasab... why because there is no white-man vote-pocket in the country
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honestly! do you guys think this is about religion! someone has come from outside, broken my country's laws! I want him cowering before judges like every other criminal, thats it....
Agreed ... this has nothing to do with religion.

And yes, it would be nice to bring Davy to trial.

Except for this one little problem ... where is the man? It seems that he is in a jurisdiction where the laws of India do not apply, and the other party refuses to extradite him. That doesn't leave many choices, right?
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no, its not a flaw of Indian justice system. we have requested extradition of Kim davy and aim to treat him same as kasab.

its the white man's justice that is flawed - white man does not want to extradite kim while making all noise about extraditing brown/black skins from anywhere to anywhere...
India is a joke in the international sense. I'm sure India could have done nothing even if Kim Davy had been African or Chinese.
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Re: A lesson on the white manís justice

Heres another one -

Chinese badminton participants were disqualified from olympics for deliberately losing a match in an attempt to manipulate a semi final fixture... if they had won,they would land up against a team in semifinal, but they did not want to play this strong team in semis... so they tried to deliberately lose so that they end up playing another weaker team in semis. There is a lot of talk about spirit of olympic etc and these participants were banned.

next day, british cycling team is racing the french. one of the british team slips and loses vital seconds in the starting lap, so what does he do? he deliberately falls down. this results in a restart of race for both teams, this time british team doesnt make any mistakes and wins gold! this guy who deliberately crashed his cycle walks off with a gold and a sly grin. nobody from organising teams and officials thinks he has done anything wrong!
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India is a joke in the international sense. I'm sure India could have done nothing even if Kim Davy had been African or Chinese.
we are not talking about India... we are talking about how denmark has shown double standards. the title is White Man's justice.
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Heres another one -

Chinese badminton participants were disqualified from olympics for deliberately losing a match in an attempt to manipulate a semi final fixture... if they had won,they would land up against a team in semifinal, but they did not want to play this strong team in semis... so they tried to deliberately lose so that they end up playing another weaker team in semis. There is a lot of talk about spirit of olympic etc and these participants were banned.

next day, british cycling team is racing the french. one of the british team slips and loses vital seconds in the starting lap, so what does he do? he deliberately falls down. this results in a restart of race for both teams, this time british team doesnt make any mistakes and wins gold! this guy who deliberately crashed his cycle walks off with a gold and a sly grin. nobody from organising teams and officials thinks he has done anything wrong!
Japan soccer team deliberately drew their match to come second in their group , admitted it also and nobody said a thing ...
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