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FTII---Is it communist students versus right wing government ??

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There's one point of view that imagines that the government is the modern Mahisasura and students are the embodiment of Durga and her lion. The other sees the average FTII student as the love child of pond scum and leeches, who hangs around the campus for years, doing nothing but getting high and causing trouble.
The reality of what's happening in FTII is more nuanced and chilling. There’s no one bottom line to this controversy. Instead, the bottom keeps falling through to reveal a new line. Gajendra Chauhan was a disastrous choice for chairperson as are the other BJP loyalists who have been nominated for FTII Society. The student body politicized its strike by letting Rahul Gandhi become their champion. Academically, when graduation projects from 2008 remain incomplete in 2015, it’s evident that FTII is in dire need of an intervention. Strategically speaking, our students are verging on violence and our dear leaders are ruthless.
The official chain of events that caused the midnight crackdown is as follows.

On Monday afternoon, a group of FTII students herded director Prashant Pathrabe into his office and for hours, he was held captive there. The students were angry that Pathrabe was following the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting's directive to assess diploma projects from 2008. The assessment would mean those with incomplete projects would be failed and have to leave FTII.

The students argued that the institute's academic council had been bypassed and the decision to assess was invalid if it didn’t have the council's approval. The protesters also alleged that this was the government's way of weakening the student body – by ejecting older students who have been part of the 69-day strike that began after the appointment of Chauhan as chairperson of FTII.

With the mood in Pathrabe’s office becoming hostile, the police were called. Three policemen arrived but were not allowed into the office by students standing guard outside. Six more came by way of reinforcement and ultimately, the nine policemen forced their way into Pathrabe’s cabin and got the director out. By then, he’d been held captive by angry students for about seven hours.

According to reports, Pathrabe arrived at the police station at 9.30pm on Tuesday night, to file an FIR charging a number of students with multiple offences, including illegal confinement and rioting. The police arrived at FTII after midnight. They arrested five male students. Two of the names in the warrant were misspelled, which allowed those students to evade arrest.

It doesn’t matter where one stands on Chauhan’s appointment or if you think FTII is in shambles, to arrest people after midnight is unmistakably repressive. Taking students into custody in the dead of the night is not going to help FTII improve either its academic standards or discipline. If anything, these midnight arrests indicate a worrying neglect from FTII’s administration.

Even though students were being arrested, neither the institute’s director nor registrar made an appearance. Both these officials’ homes are a stone’s throw from where the students were picked up by the police. Yet they did nothing. At least the registrar should have stood between the police and the students. For better or for worse, these administrative officials are effectively the students’ guardians. Their absence suggests the institution has distanced itself from them, which means these officials aren't doing their jobs. So long as those being arrested are students, the officials have a responsibility towards them.

One could argue that the students' strike and gherao is good reason for them to be left in the cold. However, just as laying siege shouldn’t be part of an ideal student’s to-do list, neither is serving students up for arrest part of a director or registrar’s job profile. Even if you don’t sympathize with their politics, the students’ actions don’t give the administration leave to not do its job.

From the timing of the FIR to the hour at which the arrests were made, it’s evident that this incident was choreographed in a way that it got minimum public attention but had maximum psychological impact. This morning’s newspapers have nothing on it since the arrests took place after newspapers go for printing. Television news channels have small packages on the arrests, but prime time viewing is much later in the day.

It's only on the internet that news about FTII has circulated. Social media remains as vibrant and unreliable as ever. Last night, Twitter alerted those awake at 1am of the arrests– Resul Pookutty was one of the first to tweet about it – and proved once again that social media is an excellent tip-off, but thoroughly unreliable when it comes to facts. Some handles wrongly claimed women were arrested, which would have been a serious violation. Until early this morning, the number arrested ranged from 40 to five on social media.

What was achieved, however, was a general sense of shocked outrage that students could become political prisoners.
Strategically speaking, the arrests are a masterstroke. They turn the spotlight away from the students’ justified outrage at having an inept chairperson foisted upon them, and on FTII’s biggest failing: the academic backlog and indiscipline on campus. The protests come across as lawless now, with a director filing an FIR against his own students. The images we see of Pathrabe show him looking hapless and harassed. The students, on the other hand, look belligerent. One video on a news channel shows a student in the police van, trying to hold up a sign that reads “Do Epic Shit”.

And just like that, the focus of attention is no longer Chauhan’s lack of qualificiations or RSS’s involvement at a certain level of decision making in this government. Instead, it’s upon the unruliness of FTII’s students.

Once, FTII was known for the talent it nurtured. Today, it has acquired a reputation for being a black hole of vice and iniquity. Students smoke joints! They get drunk! They become Communists! It's a nightmare!

Never mind the fact that students smoke joints, get drunk and explore thoroughly dubious politics no matter where they are. The FTII students still have a long way to go before they can be in the same bracket as Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad with its violent antics, for instance.

The implications of this midnight crackdown extend far beyond the FTII campus. This incident offers an indication of the government’s attitude towards protests and opposition, particularly when it’s on a weak wicket. Everyone knew Chauhan was a regrettable choice and there are rumours that government representatives accepted off the record that his appointment is an embarrassment. However, to accept that formally would be a sign of weakness and so, the government will neither back down or accept its mistakes. Not just that, it’ll sacrifice students in the process.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/tu...e-2398834.html
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Re: FTII---Is it communist students versus right wing government ??

In all of Indian education it is old school commies v/s right wing.

All would have watched the Bollywood movie Rang De Basanti, Amir Khan plays DJ, one of those uncles who don't study, are enrolled in some course for namesake, are just hanging around the campus for politics, gundagardi and feeling special.

Somebody asked me on this topic, how are these 35 years old students able to support themselves? The answer is simple, political funds. Some get lucky and are able to enter active politics, they get a ticket from a political party.

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Re: FTII---Is it communist students versus right wing government ??

I dont know why i was waiting for Shakti Pai's reaction before putting in my own 2 kowdi.

But 3.5 lakh vs 12 lakh is a typical play in numbers. Is there a total figure too. Like there would be now 10000 students in the umpteen IITs but say only 200 students in FTII. So, the spend would be 350 Cr vs 24 Cr. You can say that also is a play since it ignores other factors. Well, i keep finding faults in all the twitter arguments.

On the core issue, somehow media space is supposed to be hogged by left wing liberals and others are frowned upon. Only thing some people say is that they could have got some better right winger than Yudhishthir (like Anupam Kher). I dont see anything wrong with him and actually buy the govt argument that big names would not have been able to do justice. There are many other commie hubs like JNU. Probably, this FTII is a preparation for all that.
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Re: FTII---Is it communist students versus right wing government ??

So if FTII is against Gajendra Chauhan as it's director because he was not a famous actor , how do you explain people who run BCCI ? Should we only allow people with cricket knowledge to run BCCI ?
How about home ministry , only people with army background ?
Did someone think he could be a good administrator ?

If this comes true all my developer friends will become CEOs and they will not have to lie that they are "Managers".

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Re: FTII---Is it communist students versus right wing government ??

The 12L is because FTII produces movies in which their students star, produce, act, do everything. I get that but why are students so concerned about who is Chairman or director, its not like he's a criminal. Clearly the commie hold on the institute is finishing and this is just a reaction to that.

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In my opinion, media was involved in pushing up non-issues even in the censor board chairman resigning, etc.

Its clear 24 x 7 media needs content, and as has been admitted by many top news anchors, debates are the easiest way to fill up prime time.

Let me attempt to stereotype the commonly seen panelists on all such debates, except the defense or foreign policy ones.

1. Older lady in 50s with grey hair, wearing a huge bindi and cotton saree, typical 5-star activist. She will bring up words like 'pitr-satta waali soch'. (the actual word used is pitrsattatmak soch, male oriented thinking)
2. An old commie professor from JNU, who will side with AAP, used to side with Congress until a couple years ago.
3. BJP Spokesman
4. Congress Spokesman
5. AAP Spokesman
6. Varishtha patrakar (veteran journalist), typically somebody who you've never heard of, he/she once had a cup of tea with a member of Gandhi family in the last 15-20 years. Sometimes this journalist has co-written a book on the Gandhis.
7. feel free to add
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The 12L is because FTII produces movies in which their students star, produce, act, do everything. I get that but why are students so concerned about who is Chairman or director, its not like he's a criminal. Clearly the commie hold on the institute is finishing and this is just a reaction to that.
So, the deal can be. "You want director of your choice - Shell out 12L, fund your course and nominate your own director"

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6. Varishtha patrakar (veteran journalist), typically somebody who you've never heard of, he/she once had a cup of tea with a member of Gandhi family in the last 15-20 years. Sometimes this journalist has co-written a book on the Gandhis.
7. feel free to add


i remember seeing tavleen singh also once in a while or some loonie like Suhel Seth.
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6. Varishtha patrakar (veteran journalist), typically somebody who you've never heard of, he/she once had a cup of tea with a member of Gandhi family in the last 15-20 years. Sometimes this journalist has co-written a book on the Gandhis.
7. feel free to add

i remember seeing tavleen singh also once in a while or some loonie like Suhel Seth.
I was hinting at Kumar Ketkar in #6

Suhel is the ultimate all rounder, he's into field you can think of, even made it to the Rog bollywood movie starring Irfan Khan. look him up on imdb.
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I saw Rog on screen. More for that South African girl (ilenne Haman or a similar sounding name). And Suhel Seth was meant to be serious (the climax villain) but we all ended up laughing at the way he delivered dialogues
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So who were the past Chairman of FTII ?
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Students arrested were let go by court, there are no serious charges, or police did not present right materials to show they should be held.
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So who were the past Chairman of FTII ?

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  • Anwar Jamal Kidwai (November 1, 1974-September 30, 1977)
  • S M H Burney (November 25, 1975-September 30, 1977)
  • R K Laxman (November 1, 1977-September 30, 1980)
  • Shyam Benegal (February 5, 1981-September 30,1983 September 1989-September 30, 1992)
  • Mrinal Sen ( April 9, 1984-September 30, 1986)
  • Adoor Gopalakrishnan (September 1, 1987-September 1989 November 21, 1992-September 30,1995)
  • Mahesh Bhatt (November 20, 1995-September 30, 1998)
  • Girish Karnad (February 16, 1999-October 10, 2001)
  • Vinod Khanna (October 12, 2001-February 2002 March 4, 2002-March 3, 2005)
  • U R Ananthamurthy March 4, 2005-March 3, 2008 March 4, 2008-March 3, 2011
  • Saeed Akhtar Mirza March 4, 2011-March 3, 2014
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The list is full of luminaries, now FTII have Gajendra Chauhan, I must say his selection is redeemed by having Mahest Bhatt in the list. Phew.
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The last guy (Mirza) is a proper commie. If you remember his serial, Nukkad, the villains were businessmen and heroes were union leaders.
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An article by this ex chairman on the attack on Charlie Hedbo.
Almost rationalizing the terror in where else but outlook
some ass bits* -

And, I shall mourn for the journalists at Charlie Hebdo too. I shall grieve because they met a brutal and unnecessary end. Did they have to be butchered? Was there no other way among the believers to counter their, at times, vicious onslaught? (The 3 toilet rolls emblazoned with the Bible, the Quran and the Torah on them, the edition of Charlie Hebdo with the name of prophet Mohammad as editor are examples).

There are certain thoughts, however, that are troubling me. Though I believe that these journalists were rationalists, they were also, I believe, in a strange way, fundamentalists. They believed they had an eternal 'truth' on their side beyond history and circumstance


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