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Old July 21st, 2002, 03:33 PM
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Post What can be done about Islamic terrorism?

Every nation has tried. India and Israel have been at the forefront of this fight for years now. Now other nations like US, UK, etc. are also in it.

But nothing seems to be able to stop them.

Here are the key problems:
  1. They don't care about their lives: This is the biggest problem. How do you stop someone who has decided to die anyway?
  2. They don't care about other people's lives: This actually goes against Koran. No where is it said that it is halal to kill innocents, in fact it is Haram. But they don't care. Innocent people, children everyone is fair game for them. In fact they try to kill innocents if possible as they are soft targets and bigger news.
  3. They don't follow even their own religion: Suicide bombing is haram in Islam. In fact, prophet Mohammad (PBUH) after the conquest of Mecca told all the residents there that they were free now. They will not be persecuted in anyway. There will be no revenge killings. He did this to the same people who had killed his relatives and followers in the most brutal way. So if these terrorists followed their religion they would not be killing innocents.
  4. Tribal Arabs were barbaric by nature: By Arabs here I mean people of Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran, not Egyptians, Jordanians etc. The people of these three countries used to be organized into barbaric tribes before the advent of Islam. Mohammad (PBUH) started a movement to reform them. Before Islam these people used to indulge in barbaric practices like cutting open the abdomen of their enemies and eating their intestines, tying up their enemy between two camels and having it torn apart (while still alive). Now when Mohammad (PBUH) came he tried to reform them. But over time it seems some of these people have twisted around the original message of Islam and have returned to their barbaric ways. For example, no verse in Koran can justify the practice of Camel racing with small kids that some of these Arabs still indulge in. So now the version of Islam practiced and preached by some of these people (Arab Islamic terrorists) is their own twisted barbaric version, not the original peaceful religion. These Islamic terrorists follow this version of Islam which is not even the original religion anymore. This is another big reason of the animal like barbarianism of arabic terrorists.
  5. Oil: Make no mistake about this. The terrorists survive because of availability of money to them. Where does all this money come from? Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Iran. The biggest contributors are some elements from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. These people are as responsible for 9/11 as Osama Bin Laden (again he is a Saudi citizen, no surprise). But no country can do anything about some of these people in Saudi Arabia as they have so much oil which we all need (about 40% of India's oil comes from Saudi Arabia and they also fund the paki nuclear program and we know this, but, same goes for US, Saudi money financed 9/11 but so much of their oil comes from Saudi Arabia that nothing can be done about it). Oil money is the money these terrorists survive on, but all the countries are in a bind about it currently.
  6. Afganistan, Pakistan and Yemen: Actually these countries are small pawns. All the terrorist schools are run in these three countries where Islamic terrorist maniacs from Middle East, Chehniya, Indonesia and of course Kashmir go to to get training. But the money for all this comes from the countries mentioned above. If there was no money the terrorist schools in these three countries will collapse within days.
  7. Real Muslims remain Silent: I don't blame them at all actually. So would you if you knew that if you opened your mouth your entire family will be killed. Even before rest of the world had suffered at the hands of these terrorists the first people who felt their effects were the real followers of Mohammad's (PBUH) message, the real muslims. These people have terrorised, killed and effectively silenced them. They have in effect killed the original and pure Islamic religion successfully and replaced it by the barbaric terrorist version. It seems that after 1000 years of battle the terrorist tribes have defeated Mohammad's (PBUH) message and have reverted back to their barbaric pagan beliefs. Only they still insist that this is still Islam. But the real muslims are unable (at least yet) to rise up again and reclaim Mecca from these Kafirs.

So what are your views on this topic?
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There are two solutions ...

Educated, broadminded and moderate muslims ... at present too few and too scared to make a dent ...

Singapore solution ... pre approve friday masjid speeches by religous leaders ...

IMHO ...
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i did not know singapore had this policy, its a very intelligent and measured response, very innovative indeed, unfortunately freedom of religious expression which is a fundamental right in Indian constitution means we can never adopt this policy, too bad really
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Exclamation The Solution - Nip Islamic Terrorism In The Bud

The people who indulge in terrorism are completely brainwashed. There is nothing much someone can do to stop these brainwashed individuals from commiting hate crimes. Prevention of brainwashing is one way that can work. Continuous monitoring of Madrsas should be undertaken by govts. Their syllabus should be strictly monitored. All TV channels should be encouraged to show programs which have a hidden message against Islamic terrorism. I think it is already happening since there are several such movies being churned out. Plight of Hindus in Kashmir elsewhere too should be highlighted so as to prove to the Muslims that it is not only they who are the aggrieved party always.

Open debates on communalism at the mohalla level should be conducted. So that mistrust amongst communities come out in the open and not in the form of violent acts. Imam's should be barrred from giving out Fatwas in Masjids compelling Muslims to vote for a certain political formation for sake of safeguarding their religion. This prevents counter reactions from the Hindu community.

These are some of the steps I feel the govt should take to combat the rise of Islamic terrorism.
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Islam dharam mein

naya savera aana chahiye.

Musalmaan bhayon ko sawatantra vichar karna chahiye ki ya unke dharmguru sahi paath padha rahe hain? Kya Islam mein aaj ke kaal ke anusaar koi badlaav laya ja sakta hain? Jarror laya jana chahiye. Islam ko Hindu dharm ke tarah apne bhakto ko prashna uthani ki sahuliyat honi chahiye.

Aaj Islam mein kai log aise hain jinhe yeh jeehad ityadi se ghruna hain lekin woh apne dharm ke kathor riti riwajo ki vajah se chup chap hatho par hath dhare baithey hain.

Islam mein badlav ki hawa chalni chahiye. Islam dharm ko samay anusaar badlav karna chahiye.
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Well the important fact they need to see is that this Arabic terrorist barbarian version of Islam is not Mohammad's true message.

Like I said, there is only one religion of God, rest are all human translations of it and are inaccurate.
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this is the problem.
without understanding the root cause....blatant blah blah blah using big words.

1.)Why did it all happen,find out reasons,real reasons.
2.)Stop making an excuse about Islam et al,there are 57 Islamic countries only 7 are involved can't generalize.
3.)Main Culprits are jews,whether in Israel or US they are to be controlled,instead of them controlling the US.
4.)Solve Palestine,chechanya,kasmir and phillipines,you have a major cut down in freedom struggle almost 95 %.

most of the people don't address these facts.Instead like rightist zions and Hindus they feel high in targetting and maligning Islam..that won't help anyway.

Solution is simple.Independance for Such troubled Islamic countries......few people will digest this,so be it,the problem remains.There is no way you can solve this problem using any other tactic be it muscle or money.Face it.

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Viking, I am sure you will extend your sagacity to the RSS as well. Hopefully will prevent fiery, inciteful posts in Saamna. Which are as harmful as Friday khutbaa's. If not more!

The law should be the same. For both communities. You cannot claim secularism and then go on a pogrom.
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Viking, I am sure you will extend your sagacity to the RSS as well. Hopefully will prevent fiery, inciteful posts in Saamna. Which are as harmful as Friday khutbaa's. If not more!

The law should be the same. For both communities. You cannot claim secularism and then go on a pogrom.
If what I suggested is implemented, then any counter reaction to Muslim communalism dies automatically. It is worth while to note that any instance of Hindu communalism has occured only as a REACTION. Take for example Gujarat.

Another suggestion -

The concept of "There is only one God and no other God and so and so is his messenger" should be interpreted the right way under the modern context. If difficulty is experienced in it's explanation. It should not be allowed to propogate. The concept of Believers and Non Believers (US and THEM) should be interpreted properly in the right way. If it cannot be understood the right way it should be banned from the syllabus of Madarsa's with immediate effect.
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Viking, I guess this will help you expand your mind

The NCERT’s National Steering Committee on text-book evaluation found that the RSS-run Vidya Bharati schools are being clearly used for the dissemination of blatantly communal ideas

We reproduce below extracts from National Steering Committee on Textbook Evaluation, Recommendation and Report II, NCERT (National Council for Educational Research and Training).
Publications of Vidya Bharati (Section VI of the report):

The Committee shares the concern expressed in the report over the publication and use of blatantly communal writings in the series entitled, Sanskriti Jnan in the Vidya Bharati Schools which have been set up in different parts of the country. Their number is reported to be 6,000. The Committee agrees with the report that much of the material in the so–called Sanskrit Jnan series is “designed to promote bigotry and religious fanaticism in the name of inculcating knowledge of culture in the young generation”. The Committee is of the view that the Vidya Bharati schools are being clearly used for the dissemination of blatantly communal ideas. In its earlier report (January 1993), the Committee had commented on publications which had been brought out with similar objectives by the Saraswati Shishu Mandir Prakashan and Markazi Maktaba Islami and had recommended that they should not be allowed to be used in schools. The Sanskriti Jnan series are known to be in use in Vidya Bharati schools in Madhya Pradesh and elsewhere. The Committee recommends that the educational authorities of Madhya Pradesh and other states should disallow the use of this series in the schools. The state governments may also consider appropriate steps to stop the publication of these materials which foment communal hatred and disallow the examinations which are held by the Vidya Bharati Sansthan on the basis of these materials.

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The Vidya Bharati Akhil Bharatiya Shiksha Sansthan is stated to have been set up in 1978. It has been producing materials which are used in Saraswati Shishu Mandirs and other schools which have been set up by this Sansthan in different parts of the country. A large number of these schools have been set up in Madhya Pradesh. The Vidya Bharati schools in Madhya Pradesh had earlier been permitted to have their own examinations up to class VIII as well as to have their own teacher training programme. These schools are used for the propagation of blatantly communal ideas. Some of the textbooks used in Saraswati Shishu Mandirs in Uttar Pradesh had been evaluated in 1993.

A series of booklets which is being used in the Vidya Bharati schools has been published under the general title of Sanskriti Jnan Pareeksha and Sanskrit–Jnan Pareeksha Prashn–ottari (Culture–Knowledge Examination and Culture–Knowledge Examination Questions–Answers). These books are in the form of questions and answers which are meant to be taught by teachers and memorized by students. They are also used for assessing children in an all–India examination which is conducted by the Sansthan. The Sansthan claims that during 1993–94, 3,55,282 students appeared in the examination based on this question–answer series. The total number of schools run by the Sansthan is claimed to be 6,000 with 12,00,000 students and 40,000 teachers.

The Vidya Bharati Sansthan claims to be engaged in providing to the young generation education in religion, culture and nationalism. The catechistic series is part of the Sansthan’s effort in this direction.

Each booklet in the series comprises questions and answers on geography, politics, personalities, martyrs, morals, Hindu festivals, religious books, general knowledge, etc. Much of the material in these books is designed to promote blatantly communal and chauvinist ideas and popularize RSS and its policies and programmes.
Some examples of the kind of ‘knowledge’ of sanskriti these booklets are disseminating are given below:
1. The booklets include information and questions and answers on the ‘geographical and political boundaries of India’. Besides Pakistan and Bangladesh, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and ‘Brahmadesh or Myanmar’ are all supposed to have been earlier parts of India. There is a question on Sri Lanka which reads, “What is the name of the island in the south which touches the feet of Bharat Mother, and which reminds us of Sri Ramachandra’s victory over Ravana and which was a part of our country at one time?” Arab Sagar, according to these booklets, is supposed to be also known as Sindhu Sagar and Bay of Bengal as Gangasagar. These names are also used in the map of India which is printed as the back cover of many of the booklets under the caption Punyabhoomi Bharat. In this map, Indian Ocean is mentioned as Hindu Mahasagar.

2. India is presented in extreme chauvinist terms as the ‘original home of world civilisation’. One of the booklets (No.IX), for example, says, “India is the most ancient country in the world. When civilisation had not developed in many countries of the world, when people in those countries lived in jungles naked or covering their bodies with the bark of trees or hides of animals, Bharat’s Rishis–Munis brought the light of culture and civilisation to all those countries.” Some of the examples of the “spread of the light of Aryatva by Bharatiya Manishis” given are the following:

(i) “The credit for lighting the lamp of culture in China goes to the ancient Indians,
(ii) India is the mother country of ancient China. Their ancestors were Indian kshatriyas…
(iii) The first people who began to inhabit China were Indians.”

“The first people to settle in Iran were Indians (Aryans)”.
“The popularity of the great work of the Aryans — Valmiki Ramayana — influenced (Yavana) yunan? (Greece) and there also the great poet Homer composed a version of the Ramayana”.

“The Languages of the indigenous people (Red Indians) of the northern part of America were derived from ancient Indian languages”.

3. Many of these booklets have a section each on ‘Sri Ramjanma-bhumi’. They present RSS–VHP propaganda in the form of catechisms to be memorized by the faithful as absolute truths. Some of the questions – answers in these sections are as followers;

Q. Who got the first temple built on the birth place of Shri Ram in Ayodhya?
A. Shri Ram’s son Maharaja Kush.

Q. Who was the first foreign invader who destroyed Sri Ram temple?
A. Menander of Greece (150 B.C.)

Q. Who got the present Rama Temple built?
A. Maharaja Chandragupta Vikramaditya (A.D. 380–413).

Q. Which Muslim plunderer invaded the temples in Ayodhya in A.D. 1033?
A. Mahmud Ghaznavi’s nephew Salar Masud.

Q. Which Mughal invader destroyed the Rama Temple in A.D. 1528?
A. Babur.

Q. Why is Babri Masjid not a mosque?
A. Because Muslims have never till today offered Namaz there.

Q. How many devotees of Rama laid down their life to liberate Rama temple from A.D. 1528 to A.D. 1914?
A. Three lakh fifty thousand.

Q. How many times did the foreigners invade Shri Ramajanma-bhumi?
A. Seventy–seven times.

Q. “Which day was decided by Sri Ram Kar Sewa Samiti to start Kar Sewa?
A. 30 October, 1990.

Q. Why will 2 November 1990 be inscribed in black letters in the history of India?
A. Because on that day, the then Chief Minister by ordering the Police to shoot unarmed Kar Sewaks massacred hundreds of them.

Q. When was the Shilanyas of the temple laid in Sri Ram Janmbhumi?
A. 1 November 1989.

Q. What was the number of the struggle for the liberation of Ram Janmabhumi which was launched on 30 October 1990?
A. 78th struggle.

Some other questions which have been included along with answers are:

“When did Ramabhakta Kar Sewaks unfurl the saffron flag on Shri Ramjanmabhumi?”
“Mention the names of the young boys who laid down their life while unfurling the saffron flag”.
4. In one of the books in the series (No.12), there is a section on the saints of the world and the sects/faiths founded by them. The statements made in this section are designed to promote contempt and blind hatred against other religions. One statement on the followers of Christianity reads as follows: “It is because of the conspiratorial policies of the followers of this religion that India was partitioned. Even today Christian missionaries are engaged in fostering anti–national tendencies in Nagaland, Meghalaya, Arunachal, Bihar, Kerala, and other regions of our country because of which there is a grave danger to the integrity of present day India”.
About Islam, one of the statements is as follows: “Thousands of opponents of idol worship, the followers of Islam, go to the pilgrimage centre of Islamic community at Kaaba to worship ‘Shivalinga’. In Muslim society, the greatest wish is to have a darshan of that black stone (Shivalinga)”.

In another question, children are asked to fill in the blanks ‘rivers of blood’ as the means by which Prophet Mohammad spread Islam.

5. There are special sections in some of the booklets on RSS, its founder and its other leaders. In one booklet (No. 11), RSS, which is mentioned along with Arya Samaj and Ramakrishna Mission etc. as a social reform organisation, is given the status of divine power. It says, “Some divine power, whether it was Bhagwan Ram or Bhagwan Krishna, has always emerged for the preservation of the greatness of Indian culture. The Hindu organization Rashtriya Swayam Sewak Sangh has arisen to end the present miserable condition and for the defence of the greatness of Bharatiya Sanskriti.”

6. The ‘knowledge’ imparted in the booklets includes such facts as Meghnath Saha, being the author of History of Hindu Science. Punjab University being located in Jalandhar, Jammu–Kashmir University located in Jammu, Annamalai University in Madras, and Andhra University in Hyderabad.

Much of this material is designed to promote bigotry and religious fanaticism in the name of inculcating knowledge of culture in the young which should be a matter of serious concern.
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What can be done about Hindu terrorism? and Viking...
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Terrorism is in both forms hindus as well as muslims.

Now a days hindu terrorism is in rise in india and this will not help any one nor them but only will create divisions among us.
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Terrorism is in both forms hindus as well as muslims.

Now a days hindu terrorism is in rise in india and this will not help any one nor them but only will create divisions among us.
i would say "hindu fundametalism is on rise in india". i have yet to see groups of hindus with AK-47s killing people in the name of holy war.
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i would say "hindu fundametalism is on rise in india". i have yet to see groups of hindus with AK-47s killing people in the name of holy war.
Dint you saw Gujrat???????????????
wht more you want to see???????????????
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