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Old October 29th, 2014, 10:08 AM
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SC has been overcritical of the new govt.. said nothing about black money, Ganga cleaning, etc etc in last 10 years.. and now is pouncing on anything the govt says or does.

why didn't they take Black money list from its own SIT which got the list from govt in June 2014? SC knows govt ministers can't speak against it or they'll hold them in contempt. They are not taking well to govt deciding on governance issues rather than SC which was the case in last 10 years.

Since the judge appointment system has changed SC has become overactive on certain things while keeping a backlog of thousands of cases.. they even let Amma and Lalu go after conviction.
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SC has been overcritical of the new govt.. said nothing about black money, Ganga cleaning, etc etc in last 10 years.. and now is pouncing on anything the govt says or does.

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The previous g'ment wasn't saying or doing anything... so SC had nothing to pounce upon. The new g'ment is saying or doing many things... chaandi for SC... finally the old fags have something to do
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the previous g'ment wasn't saying or doing anything... So sc had nothing to pounce upon. The new g'ment is saying or doing many things... Chaandi for sc... Finally the old fags have something to do:d
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SC has been overcritical of the new govt.. said nothing about black money, Ganga cleaning, etc etc in last 10 years.. and now is pouncing on anything the govt says or does.

why didn't they take Black money list from its own SIT which got the list from govt in June 2014? SC knows govt ministers can't speak against it or they'll hold them in contempt. They are not taking well to govt deciding on governance issues rather than SC which was the case in last 10 years.

Since the judge appointment system has changed SC has become overactive on certain things while keeping a backlog of thousands of cases.. they even let Amma and Lalu go after conviction.
Read somewhere that the SIT has already processed more than 150 cases from the list. Also, that the list has been an open secret for so long that many of the accounts are already closed or cleaned.
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Read somewhere that the SIT has already processed more than 150 cases from the list. Also, that the list has been an open secret for so long that many of the accounts are already closed or cleaned.
this list might end the bogus of foreign stashed black money.. just like tracing the money in Bofors scam, you need a paper trail, which is verrry tough.. bigger chunk of black money in real estate and other commerce still remains under covers.

But nobody (not even Modi govt) can challenge the status quo of big corporates at this time.

Meanwhile, other big problems like population control take a back seat in elections.. not even one party (again, nobody can dare) brought up this huge issue.. I sent a question to Meenakshi Lekhi in one of her Google Hangouts during LS elections, she side stepped it saying we need to develop skill and that's why it seems a problem.

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this list might end the bogus of foreign stashed black money.. just like tracing the money in Bofors scam, you need a paper trail, which is verrry tough.. bigger chunk of black money in real estate and other commerce still remains under covers.
Unless you are very careless like Amma. Also, if it was so easy to get info from the swiss, why would people put their money in those banks??

I do remember news covering "Letter rogtory to Switzerland" coming for the whole year during the VP singh time.

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Meanwhile, other big problems like population control take a back seat in elections.. not even one party (again, nobody can dare) brought up this huge issue..
Modi and Khattar are showing one way. But if every one strts following them, it will become an open invitation for Love Jihad!

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I sent a question to Meenakshi Lekhi in one of her Google Hangouts during LS elections, she side stepped it saying we need to develop skill and that's why it seems a problem.
Why else would she have become the spokespoerson.
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Why else would she have become the spokespoerson.
Just like the population control troublesome question.. Arun Jaitely started to speak a bit about "liquor ban" in Punjab or at least Amritsar when he was contesting LS from there.. he tried to link it to the holy city and religion.. Gladly some smart person in his team forbade him from speaking on it.. Drinking is a lifestyle choice (and almost a mandatory one in Punjab) and not even religion can come in the way.
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Re: Maharashtra Assembly Elections 2014

As India Sought Info, Crores Exited Swiss Bank Accounts

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All India | Reported by Sudhi Ranjan Sen (With Inputs from Reuters) | Updated: October 30, 2014 20:28 IST
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court has set an end-March deadline for the investigation that is meant to determine which Indians have hidden untaxed money abroad. An array of sources warn that despite estimates of billions of dollars of black money that stand to be recovered, what is likely to be traced is a far more modest amount.

In 2010, as Delhi pushed Geneva to share information about Indians who held allegedly illicit bank accounts in Swiss banks, nearly 14,000 crores were moved out of those bank accounts, revealed sources in the Foreign Ministry to NDTV.

Swiss officials told the Indian government that in 2006, Indians held about 23,000 crores in banks there. In 2010, the amount fell to 9,000 crores.

"This is the only authentic information available at this stage," said sources in the Foreign Ministry to NDTV about black money estimates.

For now, the Supreme Court has ordered urgent scrutiny of 627 Indians who hold accounts at HSBC in Geneva. Some of these accounts may be legitimate. NDTV reported yesterday that the average balance in these accounts is about 40-50 crores, and then Income Tax officials say that at best, the government can hope to recover about 3,000 crores, including penalties.

The list of hundreds of holders of secret bank accounts was leaked by a French employee at HSBC. Switzerland resisted verifying the information, stating it would not comment on data that was stolen.

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said a huge breakthrough was accomplished recently with Swiss authorities agreeing to share some details of Indians on the HSBC list against whom evidence has been collected at home.

In 2009, under pressure from the Group of 20 (G20) advanced and emerging economies, Switzerland agreed to relax bank secrecy rules to secure its removal from a list of tax havens. In 2010, after the data about thousands of secret account holders was released, countries like India pushed Geneva to cooperate in identifying citizens who had hidden funds there.
Story First Published: October 30, 2014 20:18 IST
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Devendra to be CM. Perhaps the reason for asking for a separate vidarbha goes away?
SS still behaving like bull headed idiots. Its a pity that natural allies are behaving like this.
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Re: Maharashtra Assembly Elections 2014

We have digerssed from the topic of this thread.

Back to Maharashtra politics.

Sharad Pawar wants to be relevant desperately and so is offering support to BJP. He wants this so as to save his own and his part members' skin in any future 'inquiry commissions' set up by BJP to investigate the multi-crore rupees irrigation scam.

On the other hand, I feel that Pawar saheb is not stupid. He is not doing this 'support' drama to save his party skin but to protect interests of and project his daughter Supriya Sule. If you read between the lines, Pawar's nephew Ajit Dada Pawar has become a head-ache for Pawar and the NCP in general. His arrogant and callous statements about 'peeing in dams' has been a real pain to the NCP and it definitely affected NCP fortunes in the assembly elections.

So Pawar saheb is thinking 5 steps ahead. Suppose BJP does accept 'outside' support of NCP - as the Shiv Sena is too naive politically and stupid to realise that the horse has long gone - then Pawar might be ready to offer Ajit Dada as the sacrifical lamb and BJP might do a back door deal that "Give us one or two big names to hang and we will protect rest of you". Who better than Ajit Dada and Sunil Tatkare to offer up for the greater good of the NCP and Mrs. Supriya Sule?

I salute Pawar saheb's politics even today despite his party's dismal performance. Had Ajit Dada been as shrewd and savvy as his uncle, today NCP would have fared much better.

Anyway, on the other topic of Shiv Sena support! Ha ha ha .. I am really really amused that Uddhav Thackrey has still not got it - Its over!! Thanks to idiot and ego-maniacal advisers like Sanjay Raut and the constant venom flowing against BJP via their mouthpiece newspaper Saamna, the Shiv Sena has thrown the proverbial stone on their own foot!

Uddhav can really come out of all this if he chucks out Sanjay Raut and a couple of other idiots who think they are better than Balasaheb. And offcourse, Uddhav really needs some lessons in humility and the biggest lesson - In politics, there are no permanent enemies nor permanent friends. Just permanent interests.


Now what can happen if Shiv Sena does not get to join the BJP led government?

Three things at the very least -
1) Most MLAs who won this time have never tasted power. A majority might simply desert the Sena and join BJP. After all, as per law, there have to be just about 1/3rd members deciding to quit the parent party.

2) The other fear is that BJP might withdraw support from Mumbai Municipal Corporation. If this happens, then Sena is in trouble.

3) BJP might ask for more seats in the 2017 Municipal elections. And if Sena does not agree then there might be repeat of the assembly election debacle for Shiv Sena. As it is Mumbaikars are fed up of potholes and overflowing gutters and the road digging on account of Metro and Mono Rail. They are fed up of Shiv Sena led Municipal Corporation.

So what might happen, right from now, is that some Sena corporators might join hands with BJP.

So there is trouble for Sena all around and its all of their own making!!
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I salute Pawar saheb's politics even today despite his party's dismal performance. Had Ajit Dada been as shrewd and savvy as his uncle, today NCP would have fared much better.
Nice analysis on Ajit vs Supriya. to rake up Memories, as Congress (S) chief, Sharad Pawar managed to hold against 84 Sympathy wave in the Sugar Belt.

One thing in SS might be that Aditya Thackeray could come project himself in the next elections as 'Showing the qualities of his Grandfather'

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One thing in SS might be that Aditya Thackeray could come project himself in the next elections as 'Showing the qualities of his Grandfather'
not likely to happen.. One needs a roaring voice for that, poor kid speaks more like Sachin Tendulkar.. aila.

First thing Shiv Sena have to realize is they have to get things done.. just writing big things in Saamna won't help.. all this verbal diarrhea is of no use unless you back it with work on the ground. Modi's big talk is also waste if he can't turn the nation around, which btw he has started to already.

In BMC Sena should do a great job at least from now on. Mumbai should be a world class city not like how it is today. All you see and smell is shit in that wonderful city.
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All you see and smell is shit in that wonderful city.
The guys from that City used to keep complaining "Bombay Earns and Delhi Spends". A good part of the wonder you see in Bombay and Calcutta is due to British (thats why i refer to them by their Angrezi names)

The Suburban trains used to run faster in 1930s. The only big infra projects that came up in Free India were the 50 Flyovers in 97 and if you can call that one, the Mono Rail.

The Thackeray Grandson still has a long time, he could speak more Macho in the next election
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I had some hope from Thakre (not the British spelling Thackeray) grandson but he has let me down.. speaks on petty things rather than big stuff. If he sees himself as state and national leader, he should think big and much ahead.

Having spoken to a few folks from Indian political families here in the US.. they all say the same thing.. Anybody who loose talks and does cheap tactics will never survive long term in politics. Both baap beta were bowing on the stage (proper sashtaang pranaam) and in tears during a political rally .. saying Balasaheb while leaving asked Maharashta janta to take care of my children.. so please vote for us.
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WE HAD DETAILED DISCUSSION ON MAHARASHTRA, BUT NO ONE WAS DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS ALLIANCE-BREAK in haryana,while discussing alliance-breaks in maha.

the breaking of alliance between HJC &BJP.

http://news.oneindia.in/feature/hjc-...s-1510986.html
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/PyG...-betrayal.html

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could you tell why it had put candidates in LS elections from Maharashtra (like in Baramati) but did not contest assembly elections.
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sgars,It is very much evident that AAP wanted to save all resources(money) for the possible delhi elections.just money one loses in deposits & campaigning adds upto crores.I don't know how other parties like SP,BSP ,etc. manage to contest every time,while their secret seemingly lies in op. loksabha.
the disadvantage AAP faced in mumbai & everywhere,was that many people consider the fight only among the dominant players of the region.the perception that voting for AAP will be a waste vote(& some major player like cong or bjp can only win) has disappeared in delhi after 2013.but any party creating base in a new region has to face this perception. even BJP would have faced same thing when they contest in states like WB,etc.perhaps MNS this thing also affected MNS,but it was a true contender for some seats.
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