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Old January 5th, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Not death, not even chemical castration, Congress favours 30-year jail term for rapists

Congress on Saturday submitted its suggestions on stringent laws for crimes against women to Justice J S Verma Committee even as it disfavoured chemical castration of rapists.

Party general secretary Janardan Dwivedi said the suggestions have been given to the panel set up in the wake of the gangrape incident in Delhi that led to outrage across the country.

While details of the suggestions given to the committee were not immediately known, the party has been favouring imprisonment up to 30 years for rapists and setting up of fast-track courts as also redefining the juvenile act by reducing the age limit.

Leaders like Renuka Chaudhary had sought chemical castration of rapists but the party has made it clear that no such suggestion has been made by party chief Sonia Gandhi.

Gandhi had recently held a meeting with top leaders as also experts for consultations over the issue. The suggestions were given a day after the party top brass, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Gandhi, held deliberations.

The Verma committee was set up on December 23 with a mandate to review the present statute so as to provide for speedier justice and enhanced punishment in cases of aggravated sexual assault. The committee has to submit its report in 30 days.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/no...pists/1055041/
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Re: As Expected : Congress comes to the aid of rapists

Not a surprise given the fact that most of the rapists are congressi and most of the congressis are rapists.
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Home minister Saab bolenge merit teen betiya hai, I can understand...
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Congress should legalize rape. No more khitpit.
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Re: As Expected : Congress comes to the aid of rapists

I had said this in 2000 on EC and will state a generalized version after 12 years...there should never be punishment inflicting *irreversible* bodily harm for rape. This because I believe it is TOLERABLE for system to have a loophole that might allow a few rapists/criminals to go free due to benefit of doubt, but INTOLERABLE for a single innocent to suffer irreversible bodily harm (death being the ultimate harm).

By having death sentence or chemical castration, the possible harm inflicted on innocent is the ultimate rape of the innocent. Do you think women can't cry foul after consensual sex?...think again
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I had said this in 2000 on EC and will state a generalized version after 12 years...there should never be punishment inflicting *irreversible* bodily harm for rape. This because I believe it is TOLERABLE for system to have a loophole that might allow a few rapists/criminals to go free due to benefit of doubt, but INTOLERABLE for a single innocent to suffer irreversible bodily harm (death being the ultimate harm).

By having death sentence or chemical castration, the possible harm inflicted on innocent is the ultimate rape of the innocent. Do you think women can't cry foul after consensual sex?...think again
And you assume our justice system will not be able to make out if the woman has had consensual sex?

Btw chemical castration is reversible if administered in an appropriate manner.
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I had said this in 2000 on EC and will state a generalized version after 12 years...there should never be punishment inflicting *irreversible* bodily harm for rape. This because I believe it is TOLERABLE for system to have a loophole that might allow a few rapists/criminals to go free due to benefit of doubt, but INTOLERABLE for a single innocent to suffer irreversible bodily harm (death being the ultimate harm).

By having death sentence or chemical castration, the possible harm inflicted on innocent is the ultimate rape of the innocent. Do you think women can't cry foul after consensual sex?...think again
Boss, forget innocent, even the proven guilty do not get the death punishment. Pls. read a news report of today very carefully below.

Also, death penalty should definately be given to a rapist if proved. Today there are more cases of actual rape being proved as sex with consent. So not only innocents but also the guilty are going scot free. What about the innocent victims who got brutalized? In the effort to let go of 99% rapists in favour of 1% falsely accused you'd be meting out INTOLERABLE sense of injustice to 100% rape victims!

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SC commutes death penalty for man who brutally killed 65-year-old woman, raped and stabbed pregnant granddaughter-in-law

By Swati Deshpande, TNN | Jan 6, 2013, 03.50 AM IST

MUMBAI: Three days before the brutal gang-rape of Nirbhaya, the Supreme Court commuted a death sentence to life for a 23-year-old man who killed a 65-year-old woman and raped her pregnant 25-year-old granddaughter-in-law in an upscale Pune neighbourhood in September 2007.

The convict, Sandesh Abhang, had stabbed the old woman 21 times, severed four fingers of one hand and chopped off the other wrist. He then raped her granddaughter-in-law, stabbed her 19 times, including in her neck, and left believing her to be dead. He later boasted to his friends that he had killed two women and was not afraid of anyone. The woman was five-month pregnant and gave birth to her child later.

The SC bench of Justices Swatantar Kumar and Madan Lokur observed that though the accused had committed a very "heinous and brutal crime", a "vital factor" that he "may not have been aware of what he was doing as he smelled of alcohol'' could not be ruled out and hence his "abnormal behaviour" was relevant in holding against death penalty. The SC said to kill, "it was not expected of him to inflict 21and 19 injures on their bodies respectively. He could have simply given an injury on the vital parts of their bodies and put them to death... amputating the fingers clearly reflects the conduct of an abnormal person".

The convict had sought leniency on the grounds that he was drunk and unaware of his own actions. But the state argued that the law allows intoxication as a defence only when the accused can prove that it was against his will and knowledge and when the effects are such that the person is rendered incapable of proper judgement of his own intent to commit a crime.

The SC said that in cases of capital punishment, reformation was a relevant criterion. In this case, it reasoned that the convict was young, had "no criminal involvement in similar crimes'' and "no evidence (had been) produced by the Maharashtra government'' to show that he was a hardened criminal incapable of being reformed. This, it said, outweighed other factors against him.

The Bombay high court bench of Justices B H Marlapalle and Abhay Thipsay had in March 2011 upheld the death sentence awarded by a sessions court. The HC said Abhang should be shown no mercy as he was incapable of remorse or reform. The accused, a mechanic, had entered the house in the afternoon saying "sahib ne bheja hain" for some work. His intention was to rob, but angered that the older woman's bangles were not of gold, he chopped her fingers and wrist.

The pregnant woman had helplessly pleaded with the accused to spare their lives and take away the valuables but even after taking the gold jewellery, he had in a cold-blooded manner killed the older woman by slashing her neck with his kukri, then at knife-point made the younger woman remove her clothes before raping her. The court observed that the younger woman "displayed wisdom and bravery. She received injuries on her back to protect the child in her womb and pretended to be dead by lying down quietly.''

At 3 pm, the convict left the flat in Bibwewadi after washing himself and his weapon clean. The young woman later called out to her aunt residing in the flat below and was finally rushed to the hospital where she remained in the ICU for almost three weeks.

The HC observed that the accused showed unusual calm and perversity in raping a bleeding pregnant woman after killing one and then washing himself clean. It held his conduct and crime to be rarest of rare and beyond redemption. He would be a menace and threat to society, it said but the SC disagreed and said ''his conduct in jail was not shown to be unworthy of concession.''

The HC and SC held that the evidence had proved the man's guilt beyond doubt. In the SC, Abhang did not challenge his conviction but only pleaded against the death sentence. The SC said life imprisonment shall be for life.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/17906921.cms
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not surprise.
It's congress..... Their view & action is different by their way of planning for long term ruling in India....
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I had said this in 2000 on EC and will state a generalized version after 12 years...there should never be punishment inflicting *irreversible* bodily harm for rape. This because I believe it is TOLERABLE for system to have a loophole that might allow a few rapists/criminals to go free due to benefit of doubt, but INTOLERABLE for a single innocent to suffer irreversible bodily harm (death being the ultimate harm).

By having death sentence or chemical castration, the possible harm inflicted on innocent is the ultimate rape of the innocent. Do you think women can't cry foul after consensual sex?...think again
Think of this scenario..

No death sentence/castration for rape...

Woman cries foul against a man...

Man gets 30 with parole in say 10..

10 year man stays in prison,that too indian prison..gets raped and tortured everyday...comes out..his family has abandoned him.he is tagged as a rapist..what kind of life is he going to live after all this?
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next time i sleep with a whore i will ask for a receipt
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You will get receipt stamped by local nearest police station
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You will get receipt stamped by local nearest police station
then i think i will have to pay their cut too
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10 year man stays in prison,that too indian prison..gets raped and tortured everyday...comes out..his family has abandoned him.he is tagged as a rapist..what kind of life is he going to live after all this?
do you know the aruna Shanbaug case? do you know what her rapist is currently doing?
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Think of this scenario..

No death sentence/castration for rape...

Woman cries foul against a man...

Man gets 30 with parole in say 10..

10 year man stays in prison,that too indian prison..gets raped and tortured everyday...comes out..his family has abandoned him.he is tagged as a rapist..what kind of life is he going to live after all this?
that is gross exaggeration...not every prisoner gets raped and/or sexually assaulted.

If his family is not supporting his innocence, then he better dump his family.

As to what kinda life, he can relocate and move on. It will not be the same life he lived before, but it could be worse or better, depending on the person. In so far one is alive, possibilities are endless.
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If you know it is a whore, you don't need a receipt. Your best bet against accusation of rape is to record your screwing session and initiate a conversation that serves to indicate (in a reasonable way) that screwing was consensual, and that at no time did the recipient (of your schlong) objected.
Even if you don't want to record the entire thing, just play the first part of consent and the recipient will purse her lips forever
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