eCharcha.Com   Support eCharcha.Com. Click on sponsor ad to shop online!

Advertise Here

Go Back   eCharcha.Com > eCharcha Lounge > Crowning Glory

Notices

Crowning Glory A home for our best content ... award winning created by eCharchans!!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old March 20th, 2013, 05:08 PM
Origmos's Avatar
Origmos Origmos is offline
The Destroyer of Maya
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,566
Origmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: top search in google

Quote:
Originally Posted by ungalprasad View Post
Ha ha... Tharki Dhongi...He was a normal human being like all of us... Imagin yourself in bed with naked women.... What would you have done ????????
Please do not compare Gandhi with normal people. Sirjee, you mean to say he wasn't such a Mahatma after all and perhaps we should revoke his title and give it to either Sonia or Rahul Baba?


Quote:
Originally Posted by ungalprasad View Post
If all such written is true, then this was all done not for the sake of brahmacharya... He was full of lust.. and he took advantage of his mahatma/big leader position and always did what he wanted.
Exactly, the problem here is not that he slept with naked women. Heck If I can do it, I will do it all the time, but one thing I won't do is sleep around with women, invent mumbo jumbo to justify it and then prohibit my followers from doing the same. This attitude of our dear 'Mahatma' is plain first rank hypocrisy. It shows the reality about MK Gandhi is much different from what that has been presented to us all along.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ungalprasad View Post
Lust didnt even spare Rishi Munis... check devi devtas old stories... This is something very natural to a human being to fall into lust under such situation.
Fine, plenty of politicians all over the world today sleep around and I have no problems with Gandhi sleeping around too. But the fact remains he was first and foremost a hypocrite.
__________________
Sorry for the inconvenience!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old March 20th, 2013, 05:32 PM
Origmos's Avatar
Origmos Origmos is offline
The Destroyer of Maya
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,566
Origmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: top search in google

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diplomat View Post
But how many people did what he did?

Same could be said of any event, and not give credit.
Dear Sirjee, Gandhi's contribution is overrated. The Navy Mutiny in 1946 is a much bigger factor in the truth behind India's independence.

Hats off to the Communists though! Even the Devil must be given its due!



Quote:

Royal Indian Navy mutiny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Indian_Navy_mutiny

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Royal Indian Navy mutiny (also called the Royal Indian Revolt or Bombay Mutiny) encompasses a total strike and subsequent revolt by Indian sailors of the Royal Indian Navy on board ship and shore establishments at Bombay (Mumbai) harbour on 18 February 1946. From the initial flashpoint in Bombay, the revolt spread and found support throughout British India, from Karachi to Calcutta and ultimately came to involve 78 ships, 20 shore establishments and 20,000 sailors.[1] It was repressed by force by the British Royal Navy. Only the Communist Party supported the strikers; the Congress and the Muslim League condemned it. Nationalist historians on the far left have looked at the mutiny as a revolt against the British Raj and imperial rule.[2]

Contents [hide]
1 The RIN Revolt: a brief history
2 Events of the revolt
3 The controversy: political abandonment of the mutineers
4 Legacy and assessments of the effects of the Revolt
5 In popular culture
6 Notes and references
7 Further reading
8 See also
9 External links
[edit]The RIN Revolt: a brief history



HMIS Talwar at Bombay Harbour.
The RIN Revolt started as a strike by ratings of the Royal Indian Navy on 18 February in protest against general conditions. The immediate issues of the revolt were conditions and food. By dusk on 19 February, a Naval Central Strike committee was elected.

Leading Signalman M.S Khan and Petty Officer Telegraphist Madan Singh were unanimously elected President and Vice-President respectively.[3] The strike found immense support among the Indian population, already gripped by the stories of the Indian National Army.[4] The actions of the mutineers was supported by demonstrations which included a one-day general strike in Bombay. The strike spread to other cities, and was joined by the Royal Indian Air Force and local police forces. Naval officers and men began calling themselves the "Indian National Navy" and offered left-handed salutes to British officers. At some places, NCOs in the British Indian Army ignored and defied orders from British superiors. In Madras and Pune, the British garrisons had to face revolts within the ranks of the Indian Army. Widespread rioting took place from Karachi to Calcutta. Notably, the revolting ships hoisted three flags tied together — those of the Congress, Muslim League, and the Red Flag of the Communist Party of India (CPI), signifying the unity and downplaying of communal issues among the mutineers.

The revolt was called off following a meeting between the President of the Naval Central Strike Committee (NCSC), M. S. Khan, and Vallab Bhai Patel of the Congress, who had been sent to Bombay to settle the crisis. Patel issued a statement calling on the strikers to end their action, which was later echoed by a statement issued in Calcutta by Mohammed Ali Jinnah on behalf of the Muslim League. Under these considerable pressures, the strikers gave way. However, despite assurances of the good services of the Congress and the Muslim League widespread arrests were made. These were followed up by courts martial and large scale dismissals from the service. None of those dismissed were reinstated into either the Indian or Pakistani navies after independence.

[edit]Events of the revolt


This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2011)
After the Second World War, three officers of the Indian National Army (I.N.A.), General Shah Nawaz Khan, Colonel Prem Sahgal and Colonel Gurbaksh Singh Dhillon were put on trial at the Red Fort in Delhi for "waging war against the King Emperor", i.e. the British sovereign personifying British rule. The three defendants were defended at the trial by Jawaharlal Nehru, Bhulabhai Desai and others. Outside the fort, the trials inspired protests and discontent among the Indian population, who came to view the defendants as revolutionaries who had fought for their country. In January 1946 British airmen stationed in India took part in the Royal Air Force Revolt of 1946 largely over the speed of their demobilisation, but also in some cases issuing demands against being used to continue British Imperialism. The Viceroy at the time, Lord Wavell, noted that the actions of the British airmen inspired both the RIAF and RIN mutinies.



HMIS Hindustan at Bombay Harbour after the war.
The revolt was initiated by the ratings of the Royal Indian Navy on 18 February 1946. It was a reaction to the treatment meted out to ratings in general and the lack of service facilities in particular. On 16 January 1946, a contingent of 67 ratings of various branches arrived at Castle Barracks, Mint Road, in Fort Mumbai. This contingent had arrived from the basic training establishment, HMIS Akbar, located at Thane, a suburb of Bombay, at 1600 in the evening. One of them Syed Maqsood Bokhari went to the officer on duty informed him about the galley (kitchen) staff of this arrival. The sailors were that evening alleged to have been served sub-standard food. Only 17 ratings took the meal, the rest of the contingent went ashore to eat in an open act of defiance. It has since been said that such acts of neglect were fairly regular, and when reported to senior officers present practically evoked no response, which certainly was a factor in the buildup of discontent.[citation needed] The ratings of the communication branch in the shore establishment, HMIS Talwar, drawn from higher strata of society, harboured a high level of revulsion towards the authorities, having complained of neglect of their facilities fruitlessly.[citation needed]

The INA trials, the stories of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, as well as the stories of INA's fight during the Siege of Imphal and in Burma were seeping into the glaring public-eye at the time. These, received through the wireless sets and the media, fed discontent and ultimately inspired the sailors to strike. In Karachi, revolt broke out on board the Royal Indian Navy ship, HMIS Hindustan off Manora Island. The ship, as well as shore establishments were taken over by mutineers. Later, it spread to the HMIS Bahadur. A naval central strike committee was formed on 19 February 1946, led by M. S. Khan and Madan Singh. The next day, ratings from Castle and Fort Barracks in Bombay, joined in the revolt when rumours (which were untrue) spread that HMIS Talwar's ratings had been fired upon. Ratings left their posts and went around Bombay in lorries, holding aloft flags containing the picture of Subhas Chandra Bose. Several Indian naval officers who opposed the strike and sided with the British were thrown off the ship by ratings. Soon, the mutineers were joined by thousands of disgruntled ratings from Bombay, Karachi, Cochin and Vizag. Communication between the various mutinies was maintained through the wireless communication sets available in HMIS Talwar. Thus, the entire revolt was coordinated. The strike by the Naval ratings soon took serious proportions. Hundreds of strikers from the sloops, minesweepers and shore establishments in Bombay demonstrated for 2 hours along Hornby Road near VT (now the very busy D.N. Road near CST). British personnel of the Defence forces were singled out for attacks by the strikers who were armed with hammers, crowbars and hockey sticks. The White Ensign was lowered from the ships.

Signs of liberation started to occur in Flora Fountain. Vehicles carrying mail were stopped and the mail burnt. British men and women going in cars and victorias were made to get down and shout "Jai Hind" (Victory to India). Guns were trained on the Taj Mahal Hotel, the Yacht Club and other buildings from morning till evening.

1000 RIAF men from the Marine Drive and Andheri Camps also joined in sympathy. By the end of the day Gurkhas in Karachi had refused to fire on striking sailors.

The strike soon spread to other parts of India. The ratings in Calcutta, Madras, Karachi and Vizag also went on strike with the slogans "Strike for Bombay", "Release 11,000 INA prisoners" and "Jai Hind".

File:RIN Revolt Police Firing effects.jpg
Victims of police firing on a crowd that had demonstrated in support of the revolt.
On 19 February, the Tricolour was hoisted by the ratings on most of the ships and establishments. By 20 February, the third day, armed British destroyers had positioned themselves off the Gateway of India. The RIN Revolt had become a serious crisis for the British government. An alarmed Clement Attlee, the British Prime Minister, ordered the Royal Navy to put down the revolt. Admiral J.H. Godfrey, the Flag Officer commanding the RIN, went on air with his order to "Submit or perish". The movement had, by this time, inspired by the patriotic fervour sweeping the country, started taking a political turn.

The naval ratings’ strike committee decided, in a confused manner, that the HMIS Kumaon had to leave Bombay harbour while HMIS Kathiawar was already in the Arabian Sea under the control of mutineering ratings. At about 1030 Kumaon suddenly let go the shore ropes, without even removing the ships’ gangway while officers were discussing the law and order situation on the outer breakwater jetty. However, within two hours fresh instructions were received from the strikers’ control room and the ship returned to the same berth.

The situation was changing fast and rumours spread that Australian and Canadian armed battalions had been stationed outside the Lion gate and the Gun gate to encircle the dockyard where most ships were berthed. However, by this time, all the armouries of the ships and establishments had been seized by the striking ratings. The clerks, cleaning hands, cooks and wireless operators of the striking ship armed themselves with whatever weapon was available to resist the British destroyers that had sailed from Trincomalee in Ceylon (Sri Lanka).

The third day dawned charged with fresh emotions. The Royal Air Force flew a squadron of bombers low over Bombay harbour in a show of force, as Admiral Rattray, Flag Officer, Bombay, RIN, issued an ultimatum asking the ratings to raise black flags and surrender unconditionally.

In Karachi, by this time, realising that little hope or trust could be put on the Indian troops, the 2nd Battalion of the Black Watch had been called from their barracks. The first priority was to deal with the revolt on Manora Island. Ratings holding the Hindustan opened fire when attempts were made to board the ship. At midnight, the 2nd Battalion was ordered to proceed to Manora, expecting resistance from the Indian naval ratings who had taken over the shore establishments HMIS Bahadur, Chamak and Himalaya and from the Royal Naval Anti-Aircraft School on the island. The Battalion was ferried silently across in launches and landing craft. D company was the first across, and they immediately proceeded to the southern end of the island to Chamak. The remainder of the Battalion stayed at the southern end of the Island. By the morning, the British soldiers had secured the island.

The decision was made to confront the Indian naval ratings on board the destroyer Hindustan, armed with 4-in. guns. During the morning three guns (caliber unknown) from the Royal Artillery C. Troop arrived on the island. The Royal Artillery positioned the battery within point blank range of the Hindustan on the dockside. An ultimatum was delivered to the mutineers aboard Hindustan, stating that if they did not the leave the ship and put down their weapons by 10:30 they would have to face the consequences. The deadline came and went and there was no message from the ship or any movement. Orders were given to open fire at 10:33. The gunners' first round was on target. On board the Hindustan the Indian naval ratings began to return gunfire and several shells whistled over the Royal Artillery guns. Most of the shells fired by the Indian ratings went harmlessly overhead and fell on Karachi itself. They had not been primed so there were no casualties. However, the mutineers could not hold on. At 10:51 the white flag was raised. British naval personnel boarded the ship to remove casualties and the remainder of the mutinous crew. Extensive damage had been done to Hindustan's superstructure and there were many casualties among the Indian sailors.

HMIS Bahadur was still under the control of mutineers. Several Indian naval officers who had attempted or argued in favour of putting down the revolt were thrown off the ship by ratings. The 2nd Battalion was ordered to storm the Bahadur and then proceed to storm the shore establishments on Manora island. By the evening D company was in possession of the A A school and Chamak, B company had taken the Himalaya, while the rest of the Battalion had secured Bahadur. The revolt in Karachi had been put down.

In Bombay, the guncrew of a 25-pounder gun fitted in an old ship had by the end of the day fired salvos towards the Castle barracks. Patel had been negotiating fervently, and his assurances did improve matters considerably However, it was clear that the revolt was fast developing into a spontaneous movement with its own momentum. By this time the British destroyers from Trincomalee had positioned themselves off the Gateway of India. The negotiations moved fast, keeping in view the extreme sensitivity of the situation and on the fourth day most of the demands of the strikers were conceded in principle.

Immediate steps were taken to improve the quality of food served in the ratings’ kitchen and their living conditions. The national leaders also assured that favourable consideration would be accorded to the release of all the prisoners of the Indian National Army.

[edit]The controversy: political abandonment of the mutineers



Naval Uprising Statue, Colaba
The mutineers in the armed forces got no support from the national leaders and was largely leaderless. Mahatma Gandhi, in fact, condemned the riots and the ratings’ revolt, his statement on 3 March 1946 criticised the strikers for revolting without the call of a "prepared revolutionary party" and without the "guidance and intervention" of "political leaders of their choice".[5] He further criticised the local Indian National Congress leader Aruna Asaf Ali, who was one of the few prominent political leaders of the time to offer her support for the mutineers, stating she would rather unite Hindus and Muslims on the barricades than on the constitutional front.[6] Gandhi's criticism also belies the submissions to the looming reality of Partition of India, having stated "If the union at the barricade is honest then there must be union also at the constitutional front".[7]


The Muslim League issued similar attacks on the mutiny which argued that the unrest of the sailors was not best expressed on the streets, however serious the grievance may be. Legitimacy could only, probably, be conferred by a recognised political leadership as the head of any kind of movement. Spontaneous and unregulated upsurges, as the RIN strikers were viewed, could only disrupt and, at worst, destroy consensus at the political level. This may be Gandhi's (and the Congress's) conclusions from the Quit India Movement in 1942 when central control quickly dissolved under the impact of British repression, and localised actions, including widespread acts of sabotage, continued well into 1943. It may have been the conclusion that the rapid emergence of militant mass demonstrations in support of the sailors would erode central political authority if and when transfer of power occurred. The Muslim League had observed passive support for the "Quit India" campaign among its supporters and, devoid of communal clashes despite the fact that it was opposed by the then collaborationist Muslim League. It is possible that the League also realised the likelihood of a destabilised authority as and when power was transferred. This certainly is reflected on the opinion of the sailors who participated in the strike [8] It has been concluded by later historians that the discomfiture of the mainstream political parties was because the public outpourings indicated their weakening hold over the masses at a time when they could show no success in reaching agreement with the British Indian government.[9]

The Communist Party of India, the third largest political force at the time, extended full support to the naval ratings and mobilized the workers in their support. The two principal bourgeois parties of British India, the Congress and the Muslim League, refused to support the ratings. The class content of the mass uprising frightened them and they urged the ratings to surrender. Patel and Jinnah, two representative faces of the communal divide, were united on this issue and Gandhi also condemned the ‘Mutineers’. Upon surrender, the ratings faced court-martial, imprisonment and victimization. Even after 1947, the governments of Independent India and Pakistan refused to reinstate them or offer compensation. The only prominent leader from nationalist ranks who supported them was Aruna Asaf Ali.

The only major political segment that still mentions the revolt are the Communist Party of India and the Communist Party of India (Marxist). The literature of the communist party, certainly see the RIN Revolt as a spontaneous nationalist uprising that was one of the few episodes at the time that had the potential to prevent the partition of India, and one that was essentially betrayed by the leaders of the nationalist movement.[10]

More recently, the RIN Revolt has been renamed the Naval Uprising and the mutineers honoured for the part they played in India's freedom. In addition to the statue which stands in Mumbai opposite the sprawling Taj Wellingdon Mews, two prominent mutineers, Madan Singh and B.C Dutt, have each had ships named after them by the Indian Navy.

[edit]Legacy and assessments of the effects of the Revolt

The grievances focused on the slow pace of demobilization. British units were near mutiny and it was feared that Indian units might follow suit. [11] The weekly intelligence summary issued on the 25th of March, 1946 admitted that the Indian army, navy and air force units were no longer trustworthy, and, for the army, "only day to day estimates of steadiness could be made".[12] The situation has been thus been deemed the "Point of No Return."[13][14]

However, probably just as important remains the question as to what the implications would have been for India's internal politics had the revolt continued. The Indian nationalist leaders, most notably Gandhi and the Congress leadership apparently had been concerned that the revolt would compromise the strategy of a negotiated and constitutional settlement, but they sought to negotiate with the British and not within the two prominent symbols of respective nationalism—-the Congress and the Muslim League.[15] By March 1947, the Congress had limited partition to only Punjab and Bengal (thus Jinnah’s famous moth-eaten Pakistan remark).

[edit]In popular culture

The rising was championed by Marxist cultural activists from Bengal. Salil Chaudhury wrote a revolutionary song in 1946 on behalf of the Indian People’s Theatre Association. Later, Hemanga Biswas, another veteran of the IPTA, penned a commemorative tribute. A Bengali play based on the incident, Kallol (Sound of the Wave), by radical playwright Utpal Dutt, became an important anti-establishment statement, when it was first performed in 1965 in Calcutta. It drew large crowds to the Minerva Theatre where it was being performed; soon it was banned by the Congress government of West Bengal and its writer imprisoned for several months.[16][17]

The revolt is part of the background to John Masters' "Bhowani Junction" whose plot is set at this time. Several Indian and British characters in the book discuss and debate the revolt and its implications.



__________________
Sorry for the inconvenience!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old March 20th, 2013, 05:36 PM
Origmos's Avatar
Origmos Origmos is offline
The Destroyer of Maya
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,566
Origmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond reputeOrigmos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

If they revoke Gandhi's mahatma title and give it to Sonia or Rahul Gandhi. What will it be?

MahaBahu Sonia or MahaMata Sonia?

MahaBeta Rahul or MahaBhoodu Rahul?
__________________
Sorry for the inconvenience!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old March 20th, 2013, 08:43 PM
milanfanabhi's Avatar
milanfanabhi milanfanabhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: west coast of india
Posts: 4,822
milanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

criticising gandhi irks gujaratis..i do not know why...he was a selfish sone of a bitch who was having fun in south africa until the goras pinched his balls.then he all of a sudden started feeling partiotic.his methods were shitty,if there werent bhagat singhs,savarkars and other rebels...India would not have got its independence.

British knew that they could control gandhi so he was treated well,but the real threats were either hung or put in jail by them

also gandhi was a liar.even when he was on fast for 7 continuous days,he would go to toilet to take a shit which was a phenomenon.Even doctors in his ashram realised this and knew that gandhi is fooling everybody...
__________________
cheteshwar pujara-ગુજરાતી માણસના પોતાના rahul dravid
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old March 20th, 2013, 10:32 PM
rationalthinker's Avatar
rationalthinker rationalthinker is offline
Bhai Bolela hai
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Maharashtra, India
Posts: 2,320
rationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond reputerationalthinker has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by milanfanabhi View Post

also gandhi was a liar.even when he was on fast for 7 continuous days,he would go to toilet to take a shit which was a phenomenon.Even doctors in his ashram realised this and knew that gandhi is fooling everybody...
Maybe he fasted Hindu-style: sabudana khichadi, vadas, kheer, dry fruits, juices, milk, milk products..........
__________________
Think Rationally, And then..GO TO H***..!!
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old March 21st, 2013, 12:54 AM
milanfanabhi's Avatar
milanfanabhi milanfanabhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: west coast of india
Posts: 4,822
milanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by rationalthinker View Post
Maybe he fasted Hindu-style: sabudana khichadi, vadas, kheer, dry fruits, juices, milk, milk products..........

yup seems like that....gandhi was a class a asshole
__________________
cheteshwar pujara-ગુજરાતી માણસના પોતાના rahul dravid
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old March 23rd, 2013, 06:00 AM
jeetiaf's Avatar
jeetiaf jeetiaf is offline
Always on target
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bidar, India
Posts: 3,820
jeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by milanfanabhi View Post
criticising gandhi irks gujaratis..i do not know why...he was a selfish sone of a bitch who was having fun in south africa until the goras pinched his balls.then he all of a sudden started feeling partiotic.his methods were shitty,if there werent bhagat singhs,savarkars and other rebels...India would not have got its independence.

British knew that they could control gandhi so he was treated well,but the real threats were either hung or put in jail by them

also gandhi was a liar.even when he was on fast for 7 continuous days,he would go to toilet to take a shit which was a phenomenon.Even doctors in his ashram realised this and knew that gandhi is fooling everybody...

the way Gandhi started was natural, every great struggle started only this way, as far as British leaving India is concerned, they left it because they have lost all financial might to sustain their empire after the world war, they left India, Ceylon, Palestine at the same time.
By the time Gandhi died, he has transferred democratic politics to second third generation of politician, Gokhle and tilak being first generation

Bhagar's India would have been communist, like he was. Savarkar would have got it made as Hindu Pakistan, he was first to propose two nation theory

jeetIAF
__________________
One isn't born one's self. One is born with mass of expectation, a mass of other people's ideas- and you have to work it all.- Sir VS Naipaul
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old March 23rd, 2013, 09:46 AM
dhurandhar's Avatar
dhurandhar dhurandhar is offline
Dhureshvar Dhuracharya
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Omnipresent
Posts: 13,276
dhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by milanfanabhi View Post
criticising gandhi irks gujaratis..i do not know why...he was a selfish sone of a bitch who was having fun in south africa until the goras pinched his balls.then he all of a sudden started feeling partiotic.his methods were shitty,if there werent bhagat singhs,savarkars and other rebels...India would not have got its independence.

British knew that they could control gandhi so he was treated well,but the real threats were either hung or put in jail by them

also gandhi was a liar.even when he was on fast for 7 continuous days,he would go to toilet to take a shit which was a phenomenon.Even doctors in his ashram realised this and knew that gandhi is fooling everybody...
You overlooked the possibility that he might have been constipated. Actually fasting can induce loose motions.

http://chestofbooks.com/health/natur...l#.UU3cZBysiSo
__________________
Hum woh hai jo vidhaata ka bhagya likhte hai
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old March 23rd, 2013, 09:52 AM
dhurandhar's Avatar
dhurandhar dhurandhar is offline
Dhureshvar Dhuracharya
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Omnipresent
Posts: 13,276
dhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond reputedhurandhar has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeetiaf View Post
the way Gandhi started was natural, every great struggle started only this way, as far as British leaving India is concerned, they left it because they have lost all financial might to sustain their empire after the world war, they left India, Ceylon, Palestine at the same time.
By the time Gandhi died, he has transferred democratic politics to second third generation of politician, Gokhle and tilak being first generation

Bhagar's India would have been communist, like he was. Savarkar would have got it made as Hindu Pakistan, he was first to propose two nation theory

jeetIAF
So, India owes its freedom to tacit help from Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and the Emperor of Japan. If these ignoble individuals had not been in power and launched WW 2, British would still have been the world superpower until 60s with US close behind.
__________________
Hum woh hai jo vidhaata ka bhagya likhte hai
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old March 25th, 2013, 09:04 AM
jeetiaf's Avatar
jeetiaf jeetiaf is offline
Always on target
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bidar, India
Posts: 3,820
jeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond reputejeetiaf has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhurandhar View Post
So, India owes its freedom to tacit help from Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and the Emperor of Japan. If these ignoble individuals had not been in power and launched WW 2, British would still have been the world superpower until 60s with US close behind.
As Sir Naipaul puts it, not in exact words though, Gandhi knew exactly where the self realization of Hinduism can be put into self less action

Number of people killed in Nazi concentration camp is similar to number of people died in Bengal famine, which churchill never cared about and allegedly mastered it to tame the freedom movement. On one hand we launched quit India movement on the other hand congress supported Britishers in WWII , tactically supporting British Indian Army against Indian National Army of Netajee

WWII destroyed allied as well, it was because of resources of uncle sam, resources of colonies of Britain and ruggedness of Russian that they won. there is thing called Montogomery ratio in millitary mess, even though Field Marshal Montgomery was not a drinker he believed in ration of 15:1 administratively before facing Germans, Rommel proved too tough for Montgomery his Panzerarmee, also called Ghost Division appeared at the right moments. Had he possessed the similarity of forces when he faced General Patton, he would have made patton run. If one looks at WWII, Brits got away because of superiority of resources and at many place like Sidi Barani, the blood of 4th Indian Division.

India and many other places like Sri Lanka, Palenstine got independence during the tenure of Clement Atlee, Churchill came back again in 1951 and remained till 1955, he never gave any country freedom. He was far more imperial than Hitler ever was and Gandhi is not a challenge for likes of him who faced Hitler everyday

jeetIAF
__________________
One isn't born one's self. One is born with mass of expectation, a mass of other people's ideas- and you have to work it all.- Sir VS Naipaul
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old March 25th, 2013, 10:22 AM
milanfanabhi's Avatar
milanfanabhi milanfanabhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: west coast of india
Posts: 4,822
milanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhurandhar View Post
You overlooked the possibility that he might have been constipated. Actually fasting can induce loose motions.

http://chestofbooks.com/health/natur...l#.UU3cZBysiSo
so gandhi shit water instead of pissing it? yes i can imagine him doing that with the 100 rupee note smile on his face
__________________
cheteshwar pujara-ગુજરાતી માણસના પોતાના rahul dravid
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old March 25th, 2013, 10:26 AM
sanjayt's Avatar
sanjayt sanjayt is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cygnus X-1
Posts: 2,067
sanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Churchill hated Indians. He called Hindus a foul race. He hated Gandhi even more, derisively calling him "a half-naked fakir." One thing I admire about Gandhiji is that he happily went around here, there and everywhere (including the goras' lands) shirtless. That must have taken some balls. Especially considering he was a suited-booted gentleman once upon a time.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old March 25th, 2013, 10:50 AM
milanfanabhi's Avatar
milanfanabhi milanfanabhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: west coast of india
Posts: 4,822
milanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjayt View Post
Churchill hated Indians. He called Hindus a foul race. He hated Gandhi even more, derisively calling him "a half-naked fakir." One thing I admire about Gandhiji is that he happily went around here, there and everywhere (including the goras' lands) shirtless. That must have taken some balls. Especially considering he was a suited-booted gentleman once upon a time.
no big deal,he was exhibitionist...its some kinda fetish in showing off at public places
__________________
cheteshwar pujara-ગુજરાતી માણસના પોતાના rahul dravid
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old March 25th, 2013, 10:57 AM
sanjayt's Avatar
sanjayt sanjayt is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cygnus X-1
Posts: 2,067
sanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond reputesanjayt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by milanfanabhi View Post
no big deal,he was exhibitionist...its some kinda fetish in showing off at public places


Exhibitionism is for swell-looking babes.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old March 25th, 2013, 07:55 PM
milanfanabhi's Avatar
milanfanabhi milanfanabhi is offline
Senior eCharchan
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: west coast of india
Posts: 4,822
milanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond reputemilanfanabhi has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The insanity of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjayt View Post


Exhibitionism is for swell-looking babes.
apparently gandhi didnt know that
__________________
cheteshwar pujara-ગુજરાતી માણસના પોતાના rahul dravid
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mohandas : Identity Crisis. Premi Films 1 August 17th, 2010 03:09 PM
Modi's Insanity ? pillu Indian Politics 12 November 30th, 2008 07:08 PM
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi - A wannabe clerk at SBI? khaski_khopari SoapBox 0 June 26th, 2008 08:38 AM
VAkil can a person plead temporary insanity she was on LSD ? Big G SoapBox 4 May 4th, 2004 03:37 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Site Copyright © eCharcha.Com 2000-2012.