Does Freewill really exists?

[rahulpsharma]

Originally Posted by kalidas

Obviously! But the circumstance was a product of a previous decision made out of free will. One's cumulative experiences and circumstances are a product of freewill...not the cause. Ya!

#taking deep puff from chillum#

The circumstance was a product of a previous decision made which in turn was a product of another circumstance of a previous decision made which in turn was a product of another circumstance of a previous decision made and so on.... The downward spiral would end at, perhaps, the time of your birth which is beyond one's own control....!!

[kalidas]

Originally Posted by Dead On Arrival

So.. u r saying that the plant that grows is freewill? How can it be a freewill when it dint grow on it's own.. Would it have grown if there were no external factors.. like pouring water.. sunlight.. fertilizer..et al??!
Would there have been fruits and flowers without it?! No!

A seed dint sow itself.. An external factor did that..
This is certainly not freewill

I'm not talking about the plant...Devi!! I'm talking about you. Your action of planting the seed is free will.

[sanjayt]

Originally Posted by Dead On Arrival

Yeah baba.. hypothetical example hi de do..
Will help me understand better!!!

Okies. Let me take a shot at this.

The way I see it ... Free will is not playing by the script.

The opposite of predestination. Where the script is written out and you have no choice but to act it out.

Example 1.
On 3 June, 2012, between 2100 hrs to 2105 hrs local time, you will log on to Echarcha.com.

That is predestination; a lack of free will. What I'm saying is you are bound to follow that, and you got no choice.

Example 2.
On 3 June, 2012, between 2100 hrs to 2130 hrs local time, you will snack on coke and potato chips.

That is predestination; a lack of free will. What I'm saying is you are bound to follow that, and you got no choice.

Example 3.
(Real-life example.)

On 22 September, 2010, between 2000 hrs to 2200 hrs, Tyler Clementi will commit suicide.

In the hypothetical scenario that you can predict the future and you knew this on 21 Sept, you could have told him this on 21 Sept, and it would have turned out true, because he did commit suicide.

[Origmos]

Originally Posted by sanjayt

Okies. Let me take a shot at this.

The way I see it ... Free will is not playing by the script.

The opposite of predestination. Where the script is written out and you have no choice but to act it out.

Example 1.
On 3 June, 2012, between 2100 hrs to 2105 hrs local time, you will log on to Echarcha.com.

That is predestination; a lack of free will. What I'm saying is you are bound to follow that, and you got no choice.

Example 2.
On 3 June, 2012, between 2100 hrs to 2130 hrs local time, you will snack on coke and potato chips.

That is predestination; a lack of free will. What I'm saying is you are bound to follow that, and you got no choice.

Example 3.
(Real-life example.)

On 22 September, 2010, between 2000 hrs to 2200 hrs, Tyler Clementi will commit suicide.

In the hypothetical scenario that you can predict the future and you knew this on 21 Sept, you could have told him this on 21 Sept, and it would have turned out true, because he did commit suicide.

Many, many events would take place between the present moment and the future dates where you are going to log on to echarcha, Each of these events forces your brain to change continuously and shapes your future course of actions. You must take into account the external environment that shapes your experience as much as the inner psycophysiological makeup of your brain and body.

In the hypothetical scenarios above, all of the examples pointed above refers to a schedule and not predestination. All of us have our own timing and sequence of performance of various activities and they might as well be eating chips or logging into echarcha. Sure, we can think we can seemingly make up our mind to do something at a particular time and actually do it. But again that does not mean freewill since it was your brain which configures itself to give you the thought of deciding to do that act at that particular time and the same brain manages to keep focus on that goal and achieve it as intended.

As I said before, we feel, we think and we act or atleast we think we are doing so. But what I believe is that all of these actions are actually the self organizing activity undergone inside the brain and not any result of something called our own 'will.' I firmly believe that consciousness is more an experience than a biological decision making authority of any sort.

Our consciousness is a effect of the processes taking place within our heads and our thoughts, our emotions, our experiences all correlate to the various states the brain can be in.

[Diplomat]

Of course. Firewall does exist.

[dirty]

Originally Posted by dirty

Yes Farewell does exist. Soniya just bid farewell. It is bitter truth.

Originally Posted by Diplomat

Of course. Firewall does exist.

Copy Cat ..... -VE

[Diplomat]

What copy cat? I have not even read any posts in this thread

[vip11]

Freewill is nonexistent entity; both physiological and environment collectively or individually are the responsible factors, which makes our will or desire. Nothing is absolute in this world including freewill.