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Old August 2nd, 2008, 05:37 AM
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Buddha as vishnu. VHP ko ye post dikha diya to then they will strike echarcha and idhar bhi curfew laga denge
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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I talked to my dad and he is reading a book about how Lord Ram and other devas in past used to enjoy meat. So I did some research and there is some thiought floating around that ram was a khatriya and meat eater. Some examples.


(1) Rama killed Vali one of his points of justification was "You are an animal, an Ape and I am a human. I can kill animals for sound reasons as long I do not exterminate your entire species."

(2) Rama hunted the golden deer at the request of Sita who said - "bring it alive if not kill it and we shall eat its meat and take its skin"

(3) Rama performed the horse sacrifice to expand his kingdom and fought against anyone king who opposed

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The 'Tulsi-krit' Ramayan doesnt make a mention of any of the above except that sita expresses a desire to decorate the 'Parna-Kutir' with the hide of the Golden deer..... But Tulsi Ramayan also mentions that since Ram was God, He knew that a deer in Golden skin cant be a real deer and its a ploy by some 'Mayavi asoor'...... The Tulsi Ramayan is the most widely read Ramayan in North and Central India......

Ofcourse, there are many versions of Ramayan written from time to time in various parts of the country....... Some Ramayans written by South Indian authors have even painted Ravana in a good shade....... Acharya Chatursen's novel 'Vayam Rakshaam' has given a very benevolent potrayal of Ravan....... There's one account of Ramayan written by Pt. Nehru also, as a subset of his book The Discovery of India....... Even there one comes across a variety of interpretations of the 'original' Ramayan........

I dont think, that the conversations between the characters of these 'subsequent' Ramayans can be construed as authentic...... These conversations are merely 'interpretations' of the original Ramayan....... By and large, faith-wise, Valmiki Ramayan and Tulsi Ramayan are considered authentic & more pristine.......

Sacrificing the horse after the Ashwamedh Yagna and eating it was a Kshatriya tradition but Ramayan makes no mention of a Horse Sacrifice by Ram....... The idea of a sacrificial horse had metamorphosed from sacrifice to show of strength in the age of Ramayan....... The 'ashwa' would be let loose and wherever it went, the king of that state would either surrender or face the onslaught of the performer of yagna....... Ramayan, Uttar Ramayan in particular, makes no mention of the fact that the horse was sacrificed....... The yagna was performed to show strength rather than to sacrifice the horse, which at some point in past was the original motive of yagna......!!!!

Finally, the Bali-vadh episode, in Tulsi Ramayan, is centered around Ram recounting the Sins of Bali to justify his killing...... I've read a Ramayan by some author where in there was a conversation roughly on the lines that a moribund Bali tells Ram "You are mad to seek Sugreev's support to win Sita back...... I could have just spoken to Ravan and got back your wife cos Ravan is scared of me and wouldnt risk another battle with me"..... But no such conversation exists in Tulsi Ramayan......

So its quite debatable as to which Ramayan is to be considered authentic and pristine......

If you have quoted the three points from Tulsi or Valmiki Ramayan, it would be interesting to know the related 'chowpais' and the 'kaands' for an easy reference......
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

yes ram was a non vegetarian and so i do eat non veg on ram-navami to make him happy,otherwise i am a non violent and animal lover kind of person
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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yes ram was a non vegetarian and so i do eat non veg on ram-navami to make him happy,otherwise i am a non violent and animal lover kind of person
so besides ram-navmi u are a animal hugger like our vyomi bhai
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

Lord ram was non-vegetarian.....good
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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That's one of the biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind.
Hoax is - prince Siddharth became Gautam Buddha.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Lord ram was non-vegetarian.....good
You sure will revere Narsimha avatar of Vishnu.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Hoax is - prince Siddharth became Gautam Buddha.
Then WhoTF was Buddha?
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Then WhoTF was Buddha?
A chinese guy. In fact, there were 3 chinese guys... the laughing one... the thin one... and the fat one.
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A chinese guy. In fact, there were 3 chinese guys... the laughing one... the thin one... and the fat one.
you forgot the dancing one, which Aamir mimicked in his song
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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I believe all over Gods were non-veg. This pure-veg bullshit started with Buddha and King Ashoka "the coward"
Actually it was Narad who started the trend of not offering meat to God...

http://www.salagram.net/vegeRights4Animals.html

Use find and type in Narad and do next once or twice and you will read this

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SB 4.25.7 P The Descriptions of the Characteristics of King Puranjana
Because animal sacrifice is recommended in the Vedas, there are animal sacrifices in almost all religious rituals. However, one should not be satisfied simply by killing animals according to the directions of the scriptures. One should transcend the ritualistic ceremonies and try to understand the actual truth, the purpose of life. Narada Muni wanted to instruct the King about the real purpose of life and invoke a spirit of renunciation in his heart. Knowledge and the spirit of renunciation (jnana-vairagya) are the ultimate goal of life. Without knowledge, one cannot become detached from material enjoyment, and without being detached from material enjoyment, one cannot make spiritual advancement. Karmis are generally engaged in sense gratification, and for this end they are prepared to commit so many sinful activities. Animal sacrifice is but one such sinful activity. Consequently, by his mystic power Narada Muni showed King Pracinabarhisat the dead animals which he had sacrificed.

SB 4.25.8 The Descriptions of the Characteristics of King Puranjana
All these animals are awaiting your death so that they can avenge the injuries you have inflicted upon them. After you die, they will angrily pierce your body with iron horns.

SB 4.25.8 P The Descriptions of the Characteristics of King Puranjana
Narada Muni wanted to draw King Pracinabarhisat's attention to the excesses of killing animals in sacrifices. It is said in the sastras that by killing animals in a sacrifice, one immediately promotes them to human birth. Similarly, by killing their enemies on a battlefield, the ksatriyas who fight for a right cause are elevated to the heavenly planets after death. In Manu-samhita it is stated that it is necessary for a king to execute a murderer so that the murderer will not suffer for his criminal actions in his next life. On the basis of such understanding, Narada Muni warns the King that the animals killed in sacrifices by the King await him at his death in order to avenge themselves. Narada Muni is not contradicting himself here. Narada Muni wanted to convince the King that overindulgence in animal sacrifice is risky because as soon as there is a small discrepancy in the execution of such a sacrifice, the slaughtered animal may not be promoted to a human form of life. Consequently, the person performing sacrifice will be responsible for the death of the animal, just as much as a murderer is responsible for killing another man. When animals are killed in a slaughterhouse, six people connected with the killing are responsible for the murder. The person who gives permission for the killing, the person who kills, the person who helps, the person who purchases the meat, the person who cooks the flesh and the person who eats it, all become entangled in the killing. Narada Muni wanted to draw the King's attention to this fact. Thus animal-killing is not encouraged even in a sacrifice.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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You sure will revere Narsimha avatar of Vishnu.
I sure liked the sunny deol movie NARSIMHAA !!

Narsimha is the one who killed father of bhakta pralhad , didnt he ?
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trust me bhaiji....if u get time in ur life..read the vedas...u will then understand what hindu religion is truly about....
one day i thought i would start reading vedas and came across this link: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/

man such boring stuff and utter nonsense... i was very disappointed because of i had a high regard for these scriptures
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Intresting ..... So thats why we always see " Bamman " (Brahmin ) refusing to eat the meat ( in public ) and meat eating mostly associated with lower class folks ....
Your explaination makes sense.

the funda behind that is that Brahmins who conducted specific rituals, such as yagnas, needed to have the satvik guna prevalent to be blessed with the outcome of the ritual. (the other gunas being rajas and tamas). A key part of the sattvik guna is strict adherence to sattvik diet, which is the vegetarian diet.

not all brahmins followed that, for example if they did not conduct rituals. the coastal brahmins accepted fish, and kashmiri brahmins eat lamb.

within brahmins there was and is considerable distinction; for instance the ones doing funeral rites are not allowed to perform any other ones. besides the brahmins who conduct funeral rites are really consider lower in status and would not socialize or eat meal with others.

So don't consider brahmins as just one cohesive group.
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