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Old July 3rd, 2008, 01:06 PM
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

Vyomkesh sir, if brahmis are so evil, why do you still have access to original vedas (I am not claiming this, this is according to you). They could have twisted that too according to their needs.
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If Buddha is Vishnu then Ambedkar is what??
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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If Buddha is Vishnu then Ambedkar is what??
Don't get me starting on this one. ... By the way, just wanted to add... Buddhism is not Lord Buddha's teachings as is popular beliefs.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Buddha is Vishnu.

Vedas were there even before people existed.
I am not talking about the origin of vedas...I am talking about them still being alive today. Who is carrying the knowledge of Vedas down through the generations. If not for the Brahmins all this knowledge would have died long back.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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vedas are pillars of hinduism...not geeta!!!

meat eating is discouraged because of human anatomy...nowhere itz written that itz banned/foul !!
geeeta is a collection of the wisdom prevalent at the time as well as a short summary of the vedas
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Old July 4th, 2008, 12:32 AM
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Vyomkesh sir, if brahmis are so evil, why do you still have access to original vedas (I am not claiming this, this is according to you). They could have twisted that too according to their needs.
iem not saying brahmins are evil...what they did 2 thousand years back is something i dont approve...

well as far as twisting vedas, shastras etc etc is concerned.....other castes dint have access or were allowed to read religious texts then....and yep they did twist and turned everything....for eg...therez nothing like 13 days mourning after death...food for brahmins on death anniversary etc etc written anywhere...but what brahmins told then was taken as the ultimate word and that is why i say hinduism got twisted....and talking about now...itz the same stuff that is going on...people dont have time or will to actually study hindu religion and go by whatever their elders say or a pujari says to carry a ritual...blind followers of i-forgot-the-name strain of sanatan hinduism..

anyways...a debate which is best discussed in person.... ...n no...dont even think i belong to anti-brahmin brigade....my opinions are thread-specific not people-specific
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Old July 4th, 2008, 12:39 AM
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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I am not talking about the origin of vedas...I am talking about them still being alive today. Who is carrying the knowledge of Vedas down through the generations. If not for the Brahmins all this knowledge would have died long back.
if brahmins had allowed other caste people to study religion then...... '

see baby...according to vedas...there is no division of people based on anything....so...

and vedas are alive today in dusty corners of some libraries etc....what religion u understand and follow came into existance only 2K years back....after the aryans...read shastras/vedas etc...and u will come to know what hindu religion is all about....
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Yes Budhha is an avatar of Vishnu.
No, he is not.
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So if all the Gods were non vegetarian , why should we follow the path for vegetarianism from religious prespective.
Just because Gods are not vegetarians, it doesn't mean that you (or a human) should not be a vegetarian. That's basis tenet of Aryanism (or Hinduism).
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Yes Budhha is an avatar of Vishnu.

So if all the Gods were non vegetarian , why should we follow the path for vegetarianism from religious prespective.
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Buddha was hijacked and was made an avatar of Vishnu....one of the features of the Sanatan Dharma was that there was no rigid boundary or establishing text...encompass whatever is popular into itself....it corrupted Islam (as if it was pure) also...which tends to be more bookish than any other religion.....we just fell short of hijacking Muhammad...maybe he should have been accepted as Kalki Avatar...then Islam would have been sharing its fate with hinduism in India..

Since Buddhism gained a lot of popularity of late...he was made one of the Hindu Gods....Down south people believe Balram was one of the 10 avatars and don't count Buddha in it (its obvious as Buddhism was not that popular in south)

Regarding Vegeterianism...Buddism allow you to eat trikoti maans- three kinds of meat- (basically meat which is not killed for your eating purpose)...And it is widely believed among historians that this triggered Brahmins to adopt vegeterianism to top buddhist monk and show who is holier....

You can find an interesting caste called "Bhumihar" (in Bihar and UP)which tells you the story of hinduism vs buddhism. They were hindu brahmins turned into buddhist monks....after fall of buddhism (or for whatever reason) they wanted to come back into the fold of hinduism...they were allowed ro come back but on condition that they couldn't take Brahimnical occupations but have to get into agriculture...


It always makes me wonder but had never read anything on it....Gods in polytheism are more humane, susceptible to errors, manipulative, cunning, give human beings more importance etc. where as monotheistic Gods (sic) are simply despotic and stupid beyond belief.....
You compare Roman/Greek/Hindu/egyptian Gods...from myths I could gather that they are insecure... lustful... deceitful... incredibly powerful and yet can be defeated...
It seems as if they are into a program made by their own but even they can't bypass the rules...
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu.
did Vishnu confirm that he was Buddha ... did buddha confirm ... then why the maajra ... who is what and what were they eating ...
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Yes Budhha is an avatar of Vishnu. But thats another thread, So if all the Gods were non vegetarian , why should we follow the path for vegetarianism from religious prespective. I am talking about hindu religion not Jain. Jains have differant books to follow.
Mahaveer and Buddha at that time were not satisfied with whatever spiritual satisfaction they could have got from the prevalent and popular religions of that time ... they went in search and found something that helped them immensely ... others wrote about them after their physical death and that became religion as there were stupid masses who followed it kinda religiously ...
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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no offence to brahmin community..see kayasths are dual caste guyz,...brahmins+khatriyas...and probably the only caste respected by brahmins for the simple fact that when they die..itz chitragupt who will decide if they belong to hell or heaven....but when i actually started reading the black-books on hinduism and started reading vedas....i realized why west sees hinduism as incomplete religion...well....they are not seeing hinduism but brahmin-hinduism (i forgot the name of the strain)...and yep they are right in their assessment!!
I just hope VyomiPai, your heaven is much better that ours and the same applies to hell ... By the way, did you know, Jainas believe that there are 7 heavens and 7 hells (each better than the other) ... I wonder which one chitragupt chose to use ...
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therez lots of difference between the vedic dharma, arya and i-forgot-the-name- of-other-strain of hindu religion....

what hinduism we follow now came into existence some 2 thousand years back which was totally polluted by brahmins to suit their motives....arya stuff is close to vedic except that they believe in reincarnation or life after death....lord rama, krishna.. all of them followed vedic hinduism which is the the first and unadulterated form of our religion...ever saw them idol worshipping etc??

nowhere in vedic hinduism vegetarianism is compulsory for people....as i said before...hinduism has been twisted and turned by brahmins so much that people refuse to study or follow the original hindu religion now..

anyways....
technically, Brhaman means the "The One ... or the SUPREME ONE" ... Brahmin, implies to that self-realized person (not the realization artificially obtained from the books) who has realized that everything is just ONE ...

It is not a caste or not a crowd ...
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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I am not talking about the origin of vedas...I am talking about them still being alive today. Who is carrying the knowledge of Vedas down through the generations. If not for the Brahmins all this knowledge would have died long back.
Knowledge as I see it does not need any one's shoulders to survive ... if it needs people to propagate it on their shoulders then it is not true knowledge ...

All this vedas and whatever, just seem to remind me of what egyptian pharohs had at their time ... and yes at that time, they must have also thought that they will become eternal if they followed it and now we just see some ascriptions on stone somewhere that no one can understand ...

Everything can be debated on either side of the fence ... The only thing that cannot be doubted is your existence ... because to doubt that "you" need to be there ...
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Don't get me starting on this one. ... By the way, just wanted to add... Buddhism is not Lord Buddha's teachings as is popular beliefs.
Buddhism is not a religion ... but some of the sutras were recorded by disciples whenever buddha talked ... for exampe the "The diamond sutra or the most popular "the lotus sutra""
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