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Old November 14th, 2008, 04:29 PM
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Unhappy Acid attacks keep Afghan girls away from classes

I feel sad for the girls and applaud the efforts of the Afghanistan government to restore normalcy in life. However, it just goes to show that these goat loving Taliban mentality aholes will never change. Only thing they can understand are bunker busting bombs dropped from B52s.


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By NOOR KHAN and HEIDI VOGT, Associated Press Writer
Fri Nov 14, 10:42 am ET

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan – No students showed up at Mirwais Mena girls' school in the Taliban's spiritual birthplace the morning after it happened.
A day earlier, men on motorcycles attacked 15 girls and teachers with acid.
The men squirted the acid from water bottles onto three groups of students and teachers walking to school Wednesday, principal Mehmood Qaderi said. Some of the girls have burns only on their school uniforms but others will have scars on their faces.

One teenager still cannot open her eyes after being hit in the face with acid.
"Today the school is open, but there are no girls," Qaderi said Thursday.
"Yesterday, all of the classes were full." His school has 1,500 students.
Afghanistan's government condemned the attack as "un-Islamic" and blamed it on the "country's enemies," a typical reference to Taliban militants. Qari Yousef Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman, denied the insurgents were involved.
Girls were banned from schools under the rule of the Taliban, the hard-line Islamist regime that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001. Women were only allowed to leave the house wearing a body-hiding burqa and accompanied by a male family member.

Qaderi said he believes there were multiple teams of assailants because the attacks took place at the same time in different neighborhoods. Provincial Police Chief Mati Ullah Khan said three people have been arrested. He would not provide further details because the investigation was not completed.

The country has made a major push to improve access to education for girls since the Taliban ouster. Fewer than 1 million Afghan children — mostly all boys — attended school under Taliban rule. Roughly 6 million Afghan children, including 2 million girls, attend school today.

But many conservative families still keep their girls at home and the acid attacks are a reminder that old biases remain.

"They don't want us go to school. They don't like education," said Susan Ibrahimi, who started teaching at Mirwais Mena four months ago. She and her mother, also a teacher at the school, were wearing burqas on their walk to work when the motorbike stopped next to them.

"They didn't say anything. They just stopped the motorbike and one of the guys threw acid on us and they went away," Ibrahimi said in a telephone interview.

The acid ate through the cloth covering Ibrahimi's face and left burns down her left cheek. The acid also burned her mother's hand.

"I am worried that I will have scars on my face," said Ibrahimi, who is 19 years old and not married.

Fifteen people were hit with acid in all, including four teachers, Qaderi said.
Ibrahimi said it was the Taliban that attacked her but then explained that she used the term to refer to anyone who was against education for women.
The United Nations called the attack "a hideous crime."

First lady Laura Bush on Thursday decried the attack as cowardly, saying in a statement the "shameful acts are condemned by honorable people in the United States and around the world."

The attacks are "contrary to previous assurances Afghans have been given that there would not be further attacks against schools or students," the U.N. said in a statement.

Arsonists have repeatedly attacked girls' schools and gunmen killed two students walking outside a girls' school in central Logar province last year. UNICEF says there were 236 school-related attacks in Afghanistan in 2007. The Afghan government has also accused the Taliban of attacking schools in an attempt to force teenage boys into the Islamic militia.

In Wednesday's attack, three young women were hospitalized for burns. Two were released Thursday morning, but 17-year-old Shamsia Husainai was still lying on a hospital bed unable to open her eyes. Her brother Masood Morbi said her body shook about every 10 seconds.

She could talk, but her brother said her words were mangled. Her face was covered with a cream to treat her burns. The doctors were giving her pills to blunt the pain.

Husainai's younger sister told The Associated Press on Wednesday that they had been walking on the street with a group of friends, all of whom were wearing a typical Afghan school uniform of black pants, white shirt, black coat and white headscarf.

Fourteen-year-old Atifa Bibi was also badly burned on her face but she was released from the hospital late Wednesday.

Qaderi, the principal, said no one in the school had reported any direct threats but one of the teachers attacked Wednesday had reported an incident two days ago in which two men threatened her.

"She told me when she was walking two men said to her, 'Oh, you are putting on makeup and going to the school. Okay, we will see you.'"
Husainai and Bibi's aunt, Bibi Meryam, said no one had threatened them but they would consider keeping the girls at home until it felt safer.

A handful of teachers showed up Thursday, but Qaderi said the only students who tried to attend were about 20 primary school students who arrived late in the afternoon and were sent home because the school had already decided not to hold classes.

Ibrahimi, the young teacher who was burned, said she and her mother stayed home.
"Yesterday we didn't go to school. Today we didn't go to school. I don't know about the future," she said.
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Associated Press Writers Heidi Vogt and Rahim Faiez contributed to this report from Kabul.
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Old November 14th, 2008, 07:59 PM
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Re: Acid attacks keep Afghan girls away from classes

The muslims of whole subcontinent must meet including (India,Pakistan And Afganistan) and discuss among themselves why are they suffering for ambition of world dominance by Jihadi forces.

Osama wants to rule the world and who are dying for his dream,poor muslims of India,Pakistan and Afganistan and what is the common thread which is making them to die unnecessarily for Osama. It is wahabi sect which is practiced in Middle East. Why should Muslims of Subcontinent suffer so much for world dominance aspirations of Osama. They are making their life hell and for what.

Osama's own home country Saudi, no body is dying,his own Kith and Kin are enjoying all pleasures of life. . It is the only illiterate muslims of subcontinent who are acting as his slaves.

All the muslims of subcontinent should think of their roots which include buddhist/jain/hinduism/sikkishm culture and move back to their roots and leave the slaver of middle east.
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Sociological studies on the social structure of Muslims in India have emphasized on the presence of descent based social stratification among them. Features of the Hindu caste system, such as hierarchical ordering of social groups, endogamy and hereditary occupation have been found to be amply present among the Indian Muslims as well. The Census of India, 1901 listed 133 social groups wholly or partially Muslim. The present day Muslim Society in India is divided into four major groups: (i) the Ashrafs who trace their origins to foreign lands such as Arabia, Persia, Turkistan or Afghanistan, (ii) the upper caste Hindus who converted to Islam, (iii) the middle caste converts whose occupations are ritually clean, (iv) the converts from the erstwhile untouchable castes, Bhangi (scavenger), Mehtar (sweeper), Chamar (tanner), Dom and so on.

These four groups are usually placed into two broad categories, namely, ‘ashraf’ and ‘ajlaf’. The former, meaning noble, includes all Muslims of foreign blood and converts from higher castes. While ‘ajlaf’ meaning degraded or unholy, embraces the ritually clean occupational groups and low ranking converts. In Bihar, U.P and Bengal, Sayyads, Sheikhs, Moghuls and Pathans constitute the ‘ashrafs’. The ‘ajlaf’, are carpenters, artisans, painters, graziers, tanners, milkmen etc. According to the Census of 1901, the ajlaf category includes ‘the various classes of converts who are known as Nao Muslim in Bihar and Nasya in North Bengal. It also includes various functional groups such as that of the Jolaha or weaver, Dhunia or cotton carder, Kulu or oil presser, Kunjra or vegetable seller, Hajjam or barber, Darzi or tailor, and the like.’ The 1901 Census also recorded the presence of a third category called Arzal: ‘It consists of the very lowest castes, such as the Halalkhor, Lalbegi, Abdal, and Bediya...

National Sample Survey, 61st Round
The survey data on OBCs falls short of the estimate made by the Mandal Commission; also, there is considerable variation in the figures provided by the two surveys, 55th and 61st Round. Those reporting as OBCs among Muslims constitute 40.7% of the Muslim population, as per the 61st Round. Compared to the 55th Round when Muslim OBCs were reported to be only 31.7%, the growth is of 9%. The pattern remains the same in both rural and urban areas. As the NSSO provides self-reporting data, this only reflects either an enhanced awareness of their OBC status among the Muslim OBCs or substantive revision of the OBC list since the last round of survey. The growth in the population share of Hindu OBCs is also noticeable. The population share of SC/ST in the total Hindu population remains consistent in both the surveys. The category SC/ST and the benefits associated with it has a longer history, more than 50 years, and therefore the social groups included, to a large extent, are aware of their status.




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The purpose of my above post is that we there are two categories of Muslims in India, 'ashraf’ and ‘ajlaf’. Asraf are those who consider themselves to be
original descendants of Arabaia. Ajlaf are the converted ones including many converted by force and they are the ones who are poor and are cannon fodder for ISI and other antinational elements for ANtinational activities . Believe me for every Muslim OBC there is equivalent Hindu OBC caste which is much more powerful now economically/educationally/politically. Caste system with all its evils,is such a sweet balancer to support Indian form of Captilism and taking corrective actions when needed.

Each Muslim ashraf can move on to its hindu OBC equivalent. They can carry on practciing their religious beliefs,no stoppage on it,if they wish. We anyhow worship 33 crore gods
But they should align with their Hindu OBC brethens. In fact Mulayam Singh yadav though i oppose him politically is one of the biggest supporters of this theory,but people like Amar Singh/Lalu yadav/Paswan who again are Congressis in Disguise make Mulayam look equal to them.Sad thing, Mayawati has now hijacked this idea with people like Shakil Ahmad leaving and joining BSP. Lets see how this proceeds. We may hate VP Singh/Mulayam for Mandal Commision for loosing some Government Jobs but they did a great job of telling Muslims that they are not different from their Hindu equivalent OBC's. Unfortunately later Lalu and company hijacked this and again aligned muslims to Arabia.

So at least those Muslims who are in Other Backward Classes should be told that you are more close to Hinduism than to the Desert sects. Believe me any body living in Indian Villages will tell you that Muslim communities like Barbers,Weavers,Carpenters are more close to Hindus than Muslims.In fact all ceremonies of Hindu Marriage is done by Muslim Naais.

It is political parties which don't tell this fact. If we do this then at least 40% of 15% of Indian population(muslims) can be made more close to Hinduism which is a very good number i.e around 7%. The asraf's will anyhow be rich and well educated and though they may be fundamentalist they will not get the cannon fodder to do the violence.

So before fixing Afganistan and Pakistan,lets fix our home first and make India peaceful for another 100 years.

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The purpose of my above post is that we there are two categories of Muslims in India, 'ashraf’ and ‘ajlaf’. Asraf are those who consider themselves to be
original descendants of Arabaia. Ajlaf are the converted ones including many converted by force and they are the ones who are poor and are cannon fodder for ISI and other antinational elements for ANtinational activities . Believe me for every Muslim OBC there is equivalent Hindu OBC caste which is much more powerful now economically/educationally/politically. Caste system with all its evils,is such a sweet balancer to support Indian form of Captilism and taking corrective actions when needed.

Each Muslim ashraf can move on to its hindu OBC equivalent. They can carry on practciing their religious beliefs,no stoppage on it,if they wish. We anyhow worship 33 crore gods
But they should align with their Hindu OBC brethens. In fact Mulayam Singh yadav though i oppose him politically is one of the biggest supporters of this theory,but people like Amar Singh/Lalu yadav/Paswan who again are Congressis in Disguise make Mulayam look equal to them.Sad thing, Mayawati has now hijacked this idea with people like Shakil Ahmad leaving and joining BSP. Lets see how this proceeds. We may hate VP Singh/Mulayam for Mandal Commision for loosing some Government Jobs but they did a great job of telling Muslims that they are not different from their Hindu equivalent OBC's. Unfortunately later Lalu and company hijacked this and again aligned muslims to Arabia.

So at least those Muslims who are in Other Backward Classes should be told that you are more close to Hinduism than to the Desert sects. Believe me any body living in Indian Villages will tell you that Muslim communities like Barbers,Weavers,Carpenters are more close to Hindus than Muslims.In fact all ceremonies of Hindu Marriage is done by Muslim Naais.

It is political parties which don't tell this fact. If we do this then at least 40% of 15% of Indian population(muslims) can be made more close to Hinduism which is a very good number i.e around 7%. The asraf's will anyhow be rich and well educated and though they may be fundamentalist they will not get the cannon fodder to do the violence.

So before fixing Afganistan and Pakistan,lets fix our home first and make India peaceful for another 100 years.
Very interesting and absorbing ... as well as the link you have provided ... much of it went over my head except the social structure part which I found to be most informative.

We talk about Indian Muslims all the time ... speaking for myself ... not knowing much. Please continue ... thanks.

700+ posts ... my apologies for having ignored you ... not intentional, you have my assurance.

Now ... you are from Hyderabad! I just hope not a neighbor of our member Anuradha.
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Randheer bhai...you sound so much enlightened these days.
kya ho gaya..do you still love watching Sridevi or changed to Rakhi sawant ?
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Very interesting and absorbing ... as well as the link you have provided ... much of it went over my head except the social structure part which I found to be most informative.

We talk about Indian Muslims all the time ... speaking for myself ... not knowing much. Please continue ... thanks.

700+ posts ... my apologies for having ignored you ... not intentional, you have my assurance.

Now ... you are from Hyderabad! I just hope not a neighbor of our member Anuradha.
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Randheer bhai...you sound so much enlightened these days.
kya ho gaya..do you still love watching Sridevi or changed to Rakhi sawant ?
We were missing out on someone who can talk and explain certain aspects of our politics, and I am glad we have Randheer bhau for that, and Chitrala and Indian give him good company.
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Randheer bhai...you sound so much enlightened these days.
kya ho gaya..do you still love watching Sridevi or changed to Rakhi sawant ?

I think I matured with eCharcha. I think I am from begining itself like you since 2000(8 years pretty long ). Got stuck in work for 3-4 years so was a bit slow. Work is till there but probably another reason could be country was run very well by Vajpayee till 2004 and Manmohan was below average till 2006 . It is last 2 years that UPA has really started screwing up. Last 15 years was good. Moving again back to 1987 days are a bit painful for us , so a bit more active.

Not only for me but a million of others are pained by the current situation

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do you still love watching Sridevi or changed to Rakhi sawant ?
This is derailing a serious topic but will answer. Any heroine which you love and wet your tissue papers in class 10th - 12th ,you will do for them for your entire life.

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This is derailing a serious topic but will answer. Any heroine which you love and wet your tissue papers in class 10th - 12th ,you will do for them for your entire life.

Sridevi,Madhuri Dixit and Juhi will be my life time love
Leave Sridevi alone buddy.
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