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Old July 2nd, 2008, 10:20 PM
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Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

I talked to my dad and he is reading a book about how Lord Ram and other devas in past used to enjoy meat. So I did some research and there is some thiought floating around that ram was a khatriya and meat eater. Some examples.


(1) Rama killed Vali one of his points of justification was "You are an animal, an Ape and I am a human. I can kill animals for sound reasons as long I do not exterminate your entire species."

(2) Rama hunted the golden deer at the request of Sita who said - "bring it alive if not kill it and we shall eat its meat and take its skin"

(3) Rama performed the horse sacrifice to expand his kingdom and fought against anyone king who opposed

some thought on this ?
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

I believe all over Gods were non-veg. This pure-veg bullshit started with Buddha and King Ashoka "the coward"
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

Lord Ram was a Kshatriya, and by default kshatrias eat meat.
He even went the deer hunting - which basically got him and his wife in trouble in the first place. Now, if he ate the animals after he hunted them down is debatable, but I don't know why I would hunt if I weren't eating it later on.

That said: Tantu bhai makes an interesting point. Vegetarianism has nothing to do with Buddha. Buddha didn't start vegetarianism. He was against 'violence' - which at that time meant not waging meaningless wars between all these petty small little kings. And as for Buddism, even Dalai Lama is not a vegetarian.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

Lord Ram was non-Vegeaterian. And many other Avatars of Vishnu. Lord Buddha was Vegeaterian (note Siddharth is not Buddha as depected in popular stories.... As per Hinduism Siddharth story is fake).... and so was Vaman avatar of Vishnu. Lord Vishnu in his original form does not need nourishment. About other devi-devatas, there is a very big list out there... not possible to discuss in this forum.. .also there is not enough information out there that helps us come to conclusion.

And Yes, Emperor Ashok was not a coward. One often mistakes inclination towards peace as the sign of a loser. In fact, it is the belligerant who is a loser all the time.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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And many other Avatars of Vishnu. Lord Buddha was Vegeaterian
Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu.
Yes Budhha is an avatar of Vishnu. But thats another thread, So if all the Gods were non vegetarian , why should we follow the path for vegetarianism from religious prespective. I am talking about hindu religion not Jain. Jains have differant books to follow.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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I am talking about hindu religion not Jain. Jains have differant books to follow.
therez lots of difference between the vedic dharma, arya and i-forgot-the-name- of-other-strain of hindu religion....

what hinduism we follow now came into existence some 2 thousand years back which was totally polluted by brahmins to suit their motives....arya stuff is close to vedic except that they believe in reincarnation or life after death....lord rama, krishna.. all of them followed vedic hinduism which is the the first and unadulterated form of our religion...ever saw them idol worshipping etc??

nowhere in vedic hinduism vegetarianism is compulsory for people....as i said before...hinduism has been twisted and turned by brahmins so much that people refuse to study or follow the original hindu religion now..

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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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therez lots of difference between the vedic dharma, arya and i-forgot-the-name- of-other-strain of hindu religion....

what hinduism we follow now came into existence some 2 thousand years back which was totally polluted by brahmins to suit their motives....arya stuff is close to vedic except that they believe in reincarnation or life after death....lord rama, krishna.. all of them followed vedic hinduism which is the the first and unadulterated form of our religion...ever saw them idol worshipping etc??

nowhere in vedic hinduism vegetarianism is compulsory for people....as i said before...hinduism has been twisted and turned by brahmins so much that people refuse to study or follow the original hindu religion now..

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Intresting ..... So thats why we always see " Bamman " (Brahmin ) refusing to eat the meat ( in public ) and meat eating mostly associated with lower class folks ....
Your explaination makes sense.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

I always thgt both Vishnu and Vamana (the dwaf) were Vishnu Awtar. Here is Wiki link, but again it is wiki link. However, that is what i always believed. Few days back there was also a documentary which resembeled the Wiki link (good for kids I guess).
So can someone elaborate how come Buddha and Vamana were not Vishu Avtar.
Being a Warror it would be obvious that Ram would be meat eater, but even Krishna was warrior, so was he meat eater too? Then how come each and every individual following Geeta says eating meat is foul?
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Intresting ..... So thats why we always see " Bamman " (Brahmin ) refusing to eat the meat ( in public ) and meat eating mostly associated with lower class folks ....
Your explaination makes sense.
trust me bhaiji....if u get time in ur life..read the vedas...u will then understand what hindu religion is truly about....and then when u sit and compare what brahmins have done to hinduism...u will believe and take the secret pledge of 'kayashtha' community....'in ur lifetime..kill atleast one brahmin if u want to show ur face to chitraguptji (kayasth community god)...iem lucky..i already have my wud be father-in-law in my hitlist...

no offence to brahmin community..see kayasths are dual caste guyz,...brahmins+khatriyas...and probably the only caste respected by brahmins for the simple fact that when they die..itz chitragupt who will decide if they belong to hell or heaven....but when i actually started reading the black-books on hinduism and started reading vedas....i realized why west sees hinduism as incomplete religion...well....they are not seeing hinduism but brahmin-hinduism (i forgot the name of the strain)...and yep they are right in their assessment!!
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Then how come each and every individual following Geeta says eating meat is foul?
vedas are pillars of hinduism...not geeta!!!

meat eating is discouraged because of human anatomy...nowhere itz written that itz banned/foul !!
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no offence to brahmin community..see kayasths are dual caste guyz,...brahmins+khatriyas...and probably the only caste respected by brahmins for the simple fact that when they die..itz chitragupt who will decide if they belong to hell or heaven....but when i actually started reading the black-books on hinduism and started reading vedas....i realized why west sees hinduism as incomplete religion...well....they are not seeing hinduism but brahmin-hinduism (i forgot the name of the strain)...and yep they are right in their assessment!!
Doing some research on Kayashta

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Mathur
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Saxena
Surdhwaja
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Nigam
Karna
Asthana
Kulshreshtha
Valmik
Sinha
Verma
No wonder you know this much
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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vedas are pillars of hinduism...not geeta!!!

meat eating is discouraged because of human anatomy...nowhere itz written that itz banned/foul !!
Agreed . this is simmilar to catholics not eating dogs or horses. No where it says in Christianity that only meat of certain animals should be eaten but then why they dont sell dog meat in US ?
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

Without brahmins, there would be no Vedas at all today. What is this distorted hinduism that I hear about. Hinduism is ever changing with different schools of thought. You can follow whichever you like.

I believe not eating meat for brahmins was a good thing as they led a life dedicated to academics and study. the vegetarian diet helped with the non-active lifestyle. But it was never made not-ok for a Kshatriya, Vyasa or Sudra

We are all falling hook/line and sinker to the philosophy that if you destroy the priestly class or the torch bearers of a religion then the religion itself will be destroyed. This was propogated over the years by so many forces in India that tried to break down Hinduism -- Muslim invaders, British ....

On the flip side, the world will be a better place if the Muslims disown their Mullahs and think independently ...but this will not happen.
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Re: Was Lord ram Non Vegeterain ?

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Buddha is not an avatar of Vishnu.
Buddha is Vishnu.

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lord rama, krishna.. all of them followed vedic hinduism which is the the first and unadulterated form of our religion...ever saw them idol worshipping etc??
You saw then not worship idols? Buy the way, Hindus do not worship idols. They worship Gods.

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Without brahmins, there would be no Vedas at all today.
Vedas were there even before people existed.
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