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Old March 25th, 2008, 01:16 AM
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6th Pay Commission - Significant Pay Hike for Armed Forces!

Army hopes to draw talent with pay hike
Posted online: Tuesday , March 25, 2008 at 08:31:03
Updated: Tuesday , March 25, 2008 at 08:53:44

New Delhi, March 25: In a last ditch attempt to draw talent to the Armed Forces which are facing their worst ever human resource crunch, the Pay Commission has recommended an attractive pay scale for officers at the entry level to compete with the private sector. While the starting salary for all officers has been recommended at Rs 25,200 (up from Rs 14-16,000), the Pay Commission has focused on performance-based pay by suggesting 100 per cent hikes in allowances for ‘risks and hardships’ in posting like counter-insurgency operations, Siachen glaciers and high altitude areas.
Consider this, a Lieutenant who joins the Army and is posted at the Siachen glacier will draw Rs 39,200 (up from Rs 21,000-23,000) while his colleague posted in the Kashmir hinterland would get Rs 31,500 (up from Rs 19,000-20,000). Compared to this, the three service chiefs will draw Rs 90,000, a three-fold hike from the Rs 30,000 they were getting earlier.

While exact salaries will depend on factors like years of service, applicable allowances and technical skills, financial experts at the Ministry of Defence say that the in-hand salary would go up by 40 per cent in most cases.
Other perks like flying, field area, submarine duty and counter-insurgency allowances have been suggested to be doubled. However, the Pay Commission has rejected demands of the forces to create new allowances like “hardship allowance, skill allowance, super specialist allowance, assessors allowance, UAV crew skill allowance and service incentive allowance”.

Giving in to a long standing demand of the Armed Forces, the commission has suggested a special Military Service Pay (MSP) to all personnel below the rank of Major General — Rs 6,000 for officers and Rs 1,000 for other ranks — on account of the ‘rigours of military life’. This special allowance is also meant to give the Armed Forces ‘an edge’ over civilian scales.

In a first, the Director General Armed Forces Medical Corps has been brought at par with Army Commanders and has been recommended for a fixed pay scale of Rs 80,000.

For personnel below officer rank, the commission has recommended an entry-level salary of Rs 10,670 (from Rs 5000-7,000) up to a maximum of Rs 24,950, excluding the special allowances.

By introducing just two pay bands for officers, the Pay Commission has also attempted to de-link the salary drawn from the rank. The salary will now depend more on the years of service rather than the seniority of the officer.

RECOMMENDED PAY SCALES (Excluding HRA and allowances)


Starting Salary


Lieutenant and equivalent Rs 25,200 from Rs 14-16,000
Lieutenant at Siachen glacier Rs 39,200
On Counter Insurgency duty Rs 31,500
Captain and equivalent Rs 29,100 from Rs 17-19,000
Major and equivalent Rs 34,380 from Rs 19-21,000
Colonel Rs 43,360 from Rs 25-27,000
Major General Rs 80,000 from Rs 26,000
Army Comman- ders/equivalent Rs 43,360 from Rs 25-27,000
Army/IAF/Navy Chiefs Rs 90,000 from Rs 30,000
Sepoy Rs 10,670 from Rs 5,000-7,000

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...y-hike/288139/

Thats great news. The most deserving people in Indian govt. service are finally getting their due. However, these scales are still less than what the parasites called IAS babus and other UPSC personnel get. Still, something better than nothing and never too late!
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i dont agree with such pay hikes except when you are posted on border/counter-insurgency ops etc ...i mean if u are leaving army because u are not paid on par with MNC is a crap example to demonstrtae your love for country...anyways...u gotta see what perks these guyz get...everything is subsidised for them...hugely subsidised..right from salt to a car...housing is not a problem...transportation is not a problem...health services are free...facilities like sports/gym/swimming etc etc carry subscription rate of say 15rs/month...they have rehabilitation programmes after 13 years or sth of commissioned service (para-military forces etc) and continue enjoying pensions...huhhhh....ask guyz who pay rent of 15-20K/month only for house in medium-good localities in cities like pune...leave alone other facilities and who can get fired any moment from his company and who has to invest in pension plans
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sahi hai, magar indian Govt ke paas itna pesa kidhar se aayenga??
hum tax dete hain na...pay ka 30% direct and indirect taxes (sales/customs/duty/excise n blablah) eats up another 15-20% of our salaries...bahut paisa hain yaar govt ke paas...
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i dont agree with such pay hikes except when you are posted on border/counter-insurgency ops etc ...i mean if u are leaving army because u are not paid on par with MNC is a crap example to demonstrtae your love for country...anyways...u gotta see what perks these guyz get...everything is subsidised for them...hugely subsidised..right from salt to a car...housing is not a problem...transportation is not a problem...health services are free...facilities like sports/gym/swimming etc etc carry subscription rate of say 15rs/month...they have rehabilitation programmes after 13 years or sth of commissioned service (para-military forces etc) and continue enjoying pensions...huhhhh....ask guyz who pay rent of 15-20K/month only for house in medium-good localities in cities like pune...leave alone other facilities and who can get fired any moment from his company and who has to invest in pension plans
thats a big BS argument! why should the bums in a IT-vity earn more than a Lieutenant/Captain in Indian Army? Its not easy to get into the Armed Forces. Despite high vacancies, Indian Armed Forces have not reduced their recruitment standards. So people who get in at officer level are highly competent and eligible individuals who would easily earn more than 25000p.m. starting in private sector. Why shouldn't they get similar payrates in the army and actually more for their services in difficult regions of the country, often away from family and friends. Your comparison holds, if the private sector folks you are referring to, serve in remote locations locations of the country away from their families and hometowns. People in private sector or govt. civilian sector live with their families and usually are located at their hometowns. Not the same in the Armed Forces. Soldiers and Officers are posted at various locations of the country and most of them do not get have their families posted along at their barracks/cantonments. How do you compensate for that? Besides, people in civilian services do not face bullets nor do they get injured in the line of duty. So there is nothing wrong in govt. trying to compensate for all these hardships!

add/edit: Another point is that these folks get very few relief days. Mind you that they are on-duty 24x7, 7-days a week when posted in border/counter-terrorism ops. Even those in peace zones still do work 7 days a week. Civilian workers get holidays besides weekends off in addition to casual and other types of relief days, these folks do not!
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hum tax dete hain na...pay ka 30% direct and indirect taxes (sales/customs/duty/excise n blablah) eats up another 15-20% of our salaries...bahut paisa hain yaar govt ke paas...
What kind of argument is that?

We pay taxes because these selfless, dedicated and best of the men keep their life on line for the safety of our nation. We pay taxes because, these men make it safe for us to step out of our houses and go serve the MNC's. These are the men and women who make it possible for us to sit in front of computer and criticize their pay scales, while they face bullets and bombs on the border.

I must say these men and women deserve best of pay. No raise can ever compensate what they face and what they sacrifice.
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i am happy with hike but this should reach junior ranks too...

separate issue - but army related...

army officials should be held accountable for their actions when in admin jobs... but then again 'jo pakda gaya woh chor'... Chief Deepak Kapoor should be investigated for fraudulent spending of army's money... I thought the guy was wonderful as army chief...
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i am happy with hike but this should reach junior ranks too...

separate issue - but army related...

army officials should be held accountable for their actions when in admin jobs... but then again 'jo pakda gaya woh chor'... Chief Deepak Kapoor should be investigated for fraudulent spending of army's money... I thought the guy was wonderful as army chief...
If you read above, this hike actually benefits everyone from jawan, NCOs to Officers and higher posts! Example: base pay for Sepoy Rs 10,670 from Rs 5,000-7,000

As for the corruption, I believe people in the army come from the mainstream Indians and hence are as much susceptible to corruption as anyother govt agency. But its significantly lesser in Army and better dealt with than it is in other govt. agencies!

I am not a particular fan of Gen. Kapoor. He comes across as a more political guy and seems to make too many policy statements in media. Its not his job to do that! Besides, he was involved in a murky controversy with his own top commander, Northern Command Chief Lt General HS Panag. So, the sooner he retires the better for army and its morale!
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What kind of argument is that?

We pay taxes because these selfless, dedicated and best of the men keep their life on line for the safety of our nation. We pay taxes because, these men make it safe for us to step out of our houses and go serve the MNC's. These are the men and women who make it possible for us to sit in front of computer and criticize their pay scales, while they face bullets and bombs on the border.

I must say these men and women deserve best of pay. No raise can ever compensate what they face and what they sacrifice.
madam...iem not against hike in pay...everyone in central govt is getting a pay hike...as i said in my post...only people who are posted on borders and counter insurgency ops shud be entitled for a a higher pay compared to their counterparts who spend time at bases...

and its high time u shud know this fact that only in certain areas army is depolyed wherein they need to be on their heels 24/7...in kashmir the para-miltary forces inc kashmir police are activly engaged in counter-insurgency ops...in north-east CRPF, BSF etc...are these people compensated?? we have a huge problem of naxalism in central india (in AP) and its the police people who are taking brunt of it....are they getting compensated?? we have govt doctors who are living in villages and treating poor....are they compensated..that includes central govt teachers/professors too...

dont gimme a shit abt facing bullets and being on toes 24/7 and coz of them we are having a good night sleep...you actually dont know the work para-military forces is doing to counter internal as well as external threats...the work police is doing to keep cities safe...the work a traffic cop does standing on road all day...or the CISF personnel manning airports at 3 in nite...

living with family...even IT professionals go for on-site projects for 6 months and 8 months or even more at a strech....part of duty....facing bullets....we have our own version of bullets....we leave home at 8 in morning and reach at 11...do we have life...how many holidays do we get...well even armed forces guyz have 5 days/week service...i have plenty of friends there...so dont argue on that!! being on toes 24/7 it seems...ever heard of work-shifts?? i guess u guyz are drawing a parallel between how u work in US and how people work in India...well high time u rise to facts...

if u r defecting from armed forces because ur pays are not on par then if u add the subididies u get...u make more money than an IT professional equivalent of ur age....itz just that money is now a motivation factor more than the love towards country...and this is what hits a guy whose aim was to become a combat pilot !! It would be interesting to get statistics on actually what percentage of army personnel/navy personnel are actually deployed on border/sailing...pune...the heaquarters of army' southern/western command is full of army people...everywhere...the naval base at malad in bombay, where my friends are putting up, is full of officers living wid ther families...that includes navy nagar near colaba for sailors !! hmm....paying 7 bucks for a large peg of rum at base/barracks...mann they have life...i pay 180 bucks+taxes here

emotions apart...every job has its share of risks...now if people think facing bullets on border (which are never fired anyways...its the anti-insurgency ops that i mentioned above where bullets are fired) ..is a major risk then a guy who is in-charge of a police station in a naxal hit region shud be equally compensated and GLORIFIED !! and if u think a database administrator ( no iem not one) has less job functions and risk involved in his job then u r probably high on nationalism then thinking logically!! same goes for mine-workers etc..... my fiance, whose mom was posted as a teacher for 7 long years in guwahati, was deprived of mother's love/attention throughout her teenage and adolescence coz her daddy was posted in hyderabad.....what do u have to say for that....and trust me...these are not exceptional cases...infact they are quite common.....baat karte hain....

I feel there are lotsa sections of govt servants who are entitled for same GLORY and compensation (police, doctors, professors/teachers)....but then poor chaps....they are not on their heels24/7 and dont face bullets/grenades, rite??

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and btw another BS stuff...a sepoy gets 1k and 6k for brigadier ranks as sum special duty allowance....i think govt shud wake up to the fact that its sepoy who burns his skin in deserts of rajasthan and face bullets compared to a brigadier who sits in a bunker and make plans...well if the govt has finally woken up the fact that brains rule than physical hardships...then scientists in premier inst shud be paid huge salaries!!

brigadier to apne biwi-baccho.n ke saath rehta hain jahan jaata hain...he gets super security cover..what abt bechara jawaan??

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thats a big BS argument! why should the bums in a IT-vity earn more than a Lieutenant/Captain in Indian Army? Its not easy to get into the Armed Forces. Despite high vacancies, Indian Armed Forces have not reduced their recruitment standards. So people who get in at officer level are highly competent and eligible individuals who would easily earn more than 25000p.m. starting in private sector. Why shouldn't they get similar payrates in the army and actually more for their services in difficult regions of the country, often away from family and friends. Your comparison holds, if the private sector folks you are referring to, serve in remote locations locations of the country away from their families and hometowns. People in private sector or govt. civilian sector live with their families and usually are located at their hometowns. Not the same in the Armed Forces. Soldiers and Officers are posted at various locations of the country and most of them do not get have their families posted along at their barracks/cantonments. How do you compensate for that? Besides, people in civilian services do not face bullets nor do they get injured in the line of duty. So there is nothing wrong in govt. trying to compensate for all these hardships!

add/edit: Another point is that these folks get very few relief days. Mind you that they are on-duty 24x7, 7-days a week when posted in border/counter-terrorism ops. Even those in peace zones still do work 7 days a week. Civilian workers get holidays besides weekends off in addition to casual and other types of relief days, these folks do not!
I call this a BS argument !! first about the relief days (stop watching movies where their leaves are cancelled...thats war-time...they get ample holidays on par with other central govt employees...just that sanctioning of holidays take a bit of time and the lateral movement of similar ranks to fill void is required....u shud get ur facts from govt gazette of holidays...every soldier or para-military guy has weekend off even in counter insurgency op and these guys have casual/earned leaves..as i say..plz refer to govt gazette...do u even know how anti-insurgency ops are planned and executed... u think a personnel is posted for 24hrs a day?? they work on 8hr/shift and sometimes even 6hrs/shift (in winters)..after that they return to their camps and rest...and yep..their families are allowed to live with them...well mostly (except sum part of N-E)...i think its time u visit kashmir and see the camps...they are not camps but living townships..anyways..they have special allowances when they posted in difficult terrains or terrorist infested areas...its not that they are not compensated....but yes...one cannot also negate their life risk and patriotism...i salute them for that!!i suffer from allergic rhinitis...AC doesnt suit me et all...tell me a day when i dint have a blocked nose and headache at office...so even i, according to my standards, work in hostile conditions...time i shud demand a non-AC workplace, suitable compensation for staying away from familly and other special health-allowances...huhh...


talking abt border....its BSF+army that mans border with BSF having more share....are they compensated...

talking abt living away from family...i have lived 8 years away when both my parents are diabetic...my jijaji has lived for more than 12 years away from family coz of job....well cases are numerous dude...infact how many years have u been away from ur family, tell me and how often do u meet them?? its part of jobs/decisions we have taken and we dont cribb on it...atleast i dont..like ur army guy...every central govt employee gets transferred after 5 years of deputation...central govt employees are always on move...when do they get to see their family ramesh?? i remember atleast my dad goes to meet his sisters/mom etc who live in udaipur (rajasthan) once in two years...are they not part of family?? but his workload doesnt allow him...hez holding a very top position in police services...i have seen him working on saturdays n sundays...i mean common mann...u know nothing abt a young IPS officer when he joins his cadre...gets sleep for less than 6 hrs a day...u really shook me on this coz i have faced it...
u guys just derive your stuff from whats happening in kashmir and N-E...u guys dont even know how much the police and para-military forces are involved and suffering there....they are more on their toes than the army itself....u know nothing !!! u watch bollywood movies...i wished u had seen movies like sehar which were made on real life of an IPS oficer...i wish u had known a little about mr chandra whose statue u saw in ameerpet cross-roads in hyderabadetc..or vanada malik who was pumped with 40+ bullets by terrorists...u know nothing!!

and yes..recruitment standards in IT industry are also not lowered...therez no reservation there ( well ur DRDO has it!!)....n puhlease dont gimme a shit about recruitment process in army...google the recruitment scams in army and u will have research study to complete ur Phd...plus on any day..army personnels kids are preffered over civilian junta in recruitment...i know that..world knows that..its only u who is oblivious to these facts!! u are part of my orkut friend list dude...do a search in my friend list...lotsa guyz are my schoolmates and now part of navy n stuff...well...add them and ask them why they joined armed forces...i will tell u...they cud not clear any shit interview by software MNC's but got selected in armed forces...ask them if it was nationalism that drove them towards services or fear of unemployment...having said that..i respect them coz i see me in them...but 2 years of commisioning and they are already thinking of leaving forces coz then after sum years they will get pension + good posts in MNC's coz of their experience...and yes..read my blog about 'motivated indians (link is in my profile) and soldiers section in it...well...iem loosing respect for armed forces...in any case...chuck whatever i have typed...and read just the last paragraph of this post!!

anyways, as i said before i dont care if salaries are raised...sixth pay commision is for every central govt employee...but making it a case to avoid defections in army is something i will never subscribe to...u join army coz u love that job/life....u very well know the life u will be living after joining army...if later ur 'neeyat' changes...its not the pay-packets that are to be blamed but ur fu(king attitude towards ur country and people!! read my first reply abt commisioning,pensions, rehabilitation etc etc...these guys get it all inc subsidised alcohol...shitt...agreed in kashmir n cold region they need it...but fucking 7rs for large peg of rum in a hot city like bombay (naval base)...toooooo much...as i said...subsidies+pay packet of officers= pay that is better than any IT professional...even before 6th pay commision...
if they have decided the pays shud on par wid best in industry...then cut these subsidies...if no..then extend them to para-military forces, police, doctors etc etc...i would be happy then !!

you are obviously missing the finer points iem trying to communicate...

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thats a big BS argument! why should the bums in a IT-vity earn more than a Lieutenant/Captain in Indian Army? Its not easy to get into the Armed Forces. Despite high vacancies, Indian Armed Forces have not reduced their recruitment standards. So people who get in at officer level are highly competent and eligible individuals who would easily earn more than 25000p.m. starting in private sector. Why shouldn't they get similar payrates in the army and actually more for their services in difficult regions of the country, often away from family and friends. Your comparison holds, if the private sector folks you are referring to, serve in remote locations locations of the country away from their families and hometowns. People in private sector or govt. civilian sector live with their families and usually are located at their hometowns. Not the same in the Armed Forces. Soldiers and Officers are posted at various locations of the country and most of them do not get have their families posted along at their barracks/cantonments. How do you compensate for that? Besides, people in civilian services do not face bullets nor do they get injured in the line of duty. So there is nothing wrong in govt. trying to compensate for all these hardships!

add/edit: Another point is that these folks get very few relief days. Mind you that they are on-duty 24x7, 7-days a week when posted in border/counter-terrorism ops. Even those in peace zones still do work 7 days a week. Civilian workers get holidays besides weekends off in addition to casual and other types of relief days, these folks do not!
I agree wholeheartedly . Armed Forces should be a career of choice .Afterall, the jawans also have a family to support and they have to cope up with high level of stress including emotional stress of being away from the families for extended periods of time .

This is definitely a step in the right direction.
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and if u think a database administrator ( no iem not one) has less job functions and risk involved in his job then u r probably high on nationalism then thinking logically!! same goes for mine-workers etc..... my fiance, whose mom was posted as a teacher for 7 long years in guwahati, was deprived of mother's love/attention throughout her teenage and adolescence coz her daddy was posted in hyderabad.....what do u have to say for that....and trust me...these are not exceptional cases...infact they are quite common.....baat karte hain....
I feel there are lotsa sections of govt servants who are entitled for same GLORY and compensation (police, doctors, professors/teachers)....but then poor chaps....they are not on their heels24/7 and dont face bullets/grenades, rite??
I wanted to comment and comment real hard here, But then suddenly remembered Smelly's signature.

No need to say more I think.
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