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Question What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

You have two possibilities now for the US 2008 Presidential elections to be held in November.

Hillary v/s McCain

Obama v/s McCain


What do you predict?
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

Mccain in both contests ...

Democrates will loose , one for gender and another for race..
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Mccain in both contests ...

Democrates will loose , one for gender and another for race..
Why do you say so?

For example, Obama has been winning primaries in states which are considered to be 'predominantly white'.

If gender was an issue Hillary would not have been in the lead and ended up as the top two choices. She would have been out long ago.

I am curious to know why you think McCain will win irrespective of the Democrat candidate.
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

I think there are primaries today in 3 states. Will Hillary oust Obama?
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

No she cant... it seems like US will ahve a black president with muslim middle name after all.
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

pssssssh....talking about his Muslim middle name is a taboo

Perhaps he was thinking that he will get all inmate votes in prison where most americans become muslim anyway
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

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I think there are primaries today in 3 states. Will Hillary oust Obama?
Seems unlikely and whoever the wins in Democrats will also win the Presidential elections in Nov.

I think, the recession, the long & expensive war is hitting the majority public hard and they will want a change.
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Re: What will be the outcome of US 2008 Presidential elections?

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Why do you say so?

For example, Obama has been winning primaries in states which are considered to be 'predominantly white'.

If gender was an issue Hillary would not have been in the lead and ended up as the top two choices. She would have been out long ago.

I am curious to know why you think McCain will win irrespective of the Democrat candidate.
For starters, any one who says that he will pull troops out of IRAQ would loose.
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For starters, any one who says that he will pull troops out of IRAQ would loose.
Some media commentary on Obama

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By Robert Knight
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March 04, 2008

What if a presidential candidate claimed that his view on an issue drew its power from the Sermon on the Mount, which was delivered by no less an authority than Jesus Christ? What if that view contradicted 2,000 years of church moral teaching? Wouldn't this be a major news story?

It would if it involved a Republican. Or even another Democrat. But when it comes to Barack Obama, the media continue to ignore newsworthy topics and refuse to give the public substantive details about the senator's views on many key issues.

On Sunday, at Hocking College in Nelsonville, Ohio, Sen. Obama promoted homosexual legal civil unions in answer to a question posed by a pastor, and then threw out this challenge: "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans."

Not one major network covered this, nor did the wire services, nor did the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times or other major newspapers. The Post and Los Angeles Times had brief references on their blogs. CNSNews.com, by contrast, carried a comprehensive story, which was picked up by World Magazine and the Baptist Press. A couple of papers had a brief mention of Obama proclaiming that he is a Christian, not a Muslim, but that was it.

As far as the senator's unspecified interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount and his equally shocking dismissal of a key passage in the first chapter of the Book of Romans, talk about the politics of audacity.

The senator was right about Jesus reminding us of the inherent dignity of all human beings. We are supposed to love without measure. But this should include discouraging people from engaging in behaviors with known moral, social and health risks, not using government power to tempt them into error.

Can you imagine what the media reaction would be if, say, John McCain stated that he thought adultery ought to get special legal protection and that if anyone found it controversial, he or she should look up the Sermon on the Mount?

By the way, as of this writing, Sen. McCain has said no such thing. But I haven't yet checked tomorrow's New York Times, which might be running a front page story to this effect next to the article about the wisdom of wearing tinfoil hats when sunspots are active. The Times , if you recall, did find space on the front page recently for unsourced allegations about Sen. McCain and a lobbyist.

Well, there's always tomorrow. If the media want to look into the wisdom of Obama's remarks concerning homosexual legal unions and the Biblical foundations for such, they might want to know that the Bible is quite specific in several places, starting in Genesis, about what God thinks is the appropriate place for sex, which is marriage between a man and a woman.

Even the patriarchs who fooled around with more than one wife paid a price, and the men who took a fancy to other men did so as well, as indicated not only in Romans but in the less obscure passage in Genesis about the cities of the plain being destroyed with fire and brimstone after a mob of men tried to have their way with two male angels at Lot's house.

And lest reporters buy the current "gay theology" fad of attributing Sodom's sin to mere "inhospitality," here's an obscure passage from the Book of Jude: "Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 7)

Obama pulled the classic straw man dodge of attacking the one passage in Romans as if this were the only thing the Bible had to say about homosexuality. He also cited the Sermon on the Mount, of course, which the senator has discovered is a handy gay-rights manual.

Think about this for a minute. This is about a lot more than the homosexual issue, as serious as that is. If Obama is right, it means that Moses, plus all Christian leaders over the last 20 centuries until very recently, have all been wrong, as are all the world's other major religions. Now that's news.

The media may be unwilling to cover this, however, for one of two reasons.

They don't think it's a story because, they, too, have had a special revelation from God that everybody until today has been wrong. Or,
They know that most Americans believe in God and that information like Obama's officially promoting sin as a civil right might be a little too interesting to some of them.

Either way, it's unlikely that we'll see some space or airtime for this story instead of the latest pictures of women fainting and grown men getting goose bumps at Obama rallies.

The Times , like Katie Couric and company, ain't a changing. At least, not over some obscure Bible passages.

(Robert Knight is director of the Culture and Media Institute, a division of the Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com.)
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Here is a summary of what's at stake for the primaries.. Excerpt from MSNBC


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At stake tonight are a total of 370 delegates. Texas is the biggest prize with 193 of them (126 proportional by senatorial district in the primary, 67 determined by the caucuses afterwards). In most parts of the Lone Star State, polls open at 8:00 am ET and close at 8:00 pm ET, but in El Paso and the surrounding area, they close at 9:00 pm ET. The caucuses take place immediately after polls close. In Ohio, 141 delegates are up for grabs (92 proportional by congressional district, 49 proportional by statewide vote). Polls in the Buckeye State open at 6:30 am ET and close at 7:30 pm ET. There are 21 delegates at stake in Rhode Island, where polls close at 9:00 pm ET. And there are 15 delegates up for grabs in Vermont, where polls close at 7:00 pm ET.
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Wow, amazing comeback. Hillary won Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island and the race continues for the Democrat nominee.
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I think it will be McCain vs. Obama with McCain winning the contest
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Why do you say so?

For example, Obama has been winning primaries in states which are considered to be 'predominantly white'.

If gender was an issue Hillary would not have been in the lead and ended up as the top two choices. She would have been out long ago.

I am curious to know why you think McCain will win irrespective of the Democrat candidate.
To note a few..

1. McCain is not too far out from liberal policies except on Iraq and women right to choose
2. The polls already suggest the dems will defect to McCain if Obama wins the ticket
3. The elongated fight for Dem prez nominee will weaken the democrate party
4. Hillary and Obama will fight bitter, negative and ugly in next few weeks/days and will provide enough ammo for McCain for general election.
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To note a few..

1. McCain is not too far out from liberal policies except on Iraq and women right to choose
2. The polls already suggest the dems will defect to McCain if Obama wins the ticket
3. The elongated fight for Dem prez nominee will weaken the democrate party
4. Hillary and Obama will fight bitter, negative and ugly in next few weeks/days and will provide enough ammo for McCain for general election.
What about reports that many Republicans will vote Democratic because they dont like McCain's liberal leanings?
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CLINTON: Energizing Victories, But Difficult Delegate Math

By Peter Baker and Anne E. Kornblut
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008; A01

As Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton raced from border towns on the Rio Grande to farm communities in the Midwest trying to salvage her troubled presidential campaign in recent days, advisers at her Arlington headquarters were awash in mixed feelings about whether she should go on.

Decisive victories in both Ohio and Texas, they agreed, would justify staying in the race until the next big primary in Pennsylvania in seven weeks. Defeats in both of the big states would spell the end. But the prospect of a split decision or close results generated sharply different judgments from her strategists about her future.

Clinton wiped away the debate last night with a robust victory in Ohio and a narrow win in Texas. But as she vowed to keep campaigning, the tight vote in Texas signaled she may yet face a tough decision in coming weeks.
The slim margin in the Texas popular vote and an additional caucus process in which she trailed made clear that she would not win enough delegates to put a major dent in Sen. Barack Obama's lead. And regardless of the results, she emerged from the crucible of Ohio and Texas with a campaign mired in debt and riven by dissension

Clinton plans to use her triumphs in Ohio and Texas, as well as in Rhode Island, to argue that she still has a credible claim to the Democratic nomination, despite the delegate math. Many in her circle believe she finally recaptured momentum on the campaign trail in recent days and managed to put Obama on the defensive by questioning his readiness to serve as commander in chief. If nothing else, they hope she has earned a new lease to make her case to the nation.

Appearing before jubilant supporters in Columbus last night, an energized Clinton seized on the Ohio victory and declared that she will go "all the way" to the White House. "Keep on watching," she said. "Together, we're going to make history."

As the results came in, aides reported that the dark mood that has clouded her campaign headquarters for weeks had finally lifted, and talk of dropping out was fading. "It means she goes on," a senior campaign strategist said on the condition of anonymity. "All the late-breaking voters went with her, and the next batch of states favor her. He is starting to get scrutiny like he has never seen before, and he is out of material to talk about on the trail."
Another Democrat who has advised her noted that Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, have made a career of refusing to give in when the establishment has counted them out. "She doesn't give up," the Democrat said. "He doesn't give up."

Critical to Clinton's prospect of victory are the superdelegates, the nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders who can vote any way they choose. Her campaign envisions what aides call a "buyer's remorse" strategy of raising enough doubts about the first-term senator from Illinois through increasingly vigorous attacks and tougher media scrutiny to convince the superdelegates that it would be too risky to nominate him.

That reflects the recognition that it would be enormously difficult for Clinton to overtake Obama in the pledged delegates chosen by voters in primaries and caucuses. By some calculations, Clinton would need to win more than 60 percent of the vote in the dozen contests remaining between now and June 7 to catch Obama in pledged delegates -- a steep challenge given that, so far, she has won that much in only one state, her onetime adopted home of Arkansas. Even in New York, where she is a sitting senator, she won 57 percent of the vote. She won 55 percent in Michigan, where Obama was not even on the ballot.

"Her durability is impressive if not astonishing, but she is still looking at some pretty cold, hard numbers in the race," said Jim Jordan, a Democratic strategist who initially ran the 2004 primary campaign of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). "She's running out of time, she's running out of space." He described a Clinton nomination even with wins in Texas and Ohio as "impossible, really."

Steve McMahon, another Democratic strategist who is not working for either candidate, said the odds are long. "It's difficult to see how the math works for Senator Clinton," he said. "If you look at most models out there circulating, the one thing that's consistent is that she has to perform pretty strongly in order to have any hope of making up the deficit among elected delegates."

Still, Clinton supporters said yesterday's results suggested that Obama has not been able to close the deal, leaving her an opening. "She has lost 11 states in a row -- and the closest was Wisconsin, which she lost by 17" percentage points, said Paul Begala, who was a White House aide to her husband. "The theory of momentum suggested Obama should roll up equally large margins today, but voters seem to want to keep this race going. I suspect Senator Clinton agrees with them."

Indeed, Clinton had hinted Monday that she was ready to keep the race going. "I'm just getting warmed up," she said. She seemed to surge on the strength of attacks on Obama's leadership preparation, conflicting statements about the North American Free Trade Agreement and connections to fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, whose trial on unrelated extortion and money laundering charges opened Monday.

But candidates rarely admit they are considering dropping out until the moment they do. And Clinton, until the Ohio results came in, deflected questions about her plans yesterday, saying that she did not like to make predictions when asked repeatedly what she would do if she lost Texas, Ohio or both.

"No person has ever won the White House without winning the Ohio primary in either party, so I think Ohio is pretty important," Clinton said in an interview with the NBC affiliate in Columbus. "The voters are not ready for this to be over. They want to be sure they are picking the person who would be the strongest nominee against John McCain."

Clinton has been counting on Ohio and Texas to vault her back into contention after losing every contest since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5. Her strong showings in those states may now help curb what some Clinton strategists had expected to be escalating calls from senior Democrats to end her campaign in the interest of pulling the party together to face McCain, the Republican nominee. But Obama's allies said they would try to avoid piling on, recognizing that it might only prod her to stay in.
"I don't think anybody in the Obama campaign is going to tell her to get out," said former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), an Obama supporter. "Only Hillary can decide what's right and what her future course should be. It becomes increasingly difficult to see mathematically how she can do it, but there may be other reasons to stay involved other than winning the nomination."

Her organization, though, is drained of money and energy. Outgunned by Obama in the fundraising department, the Clinton campaign is carrying millions of dollars in debt, although officials would not say how much, and it threw everything it had into Texas and Ohio. Campaign aides expressed optimism that she will draw a new infusion of money after these primaries and have enough to go forward, although that remains unclear.

Perhaps just as significant, many on her team appear exhausted and dispirited. Advisers have not waited for Ohio and Texas to launch into a furious debate about whom to blame for her problems. Senior advisers described the infighting as debilitating and destructive, with some members of her inner circle barely speaking to one another. Many fault Mark Penn, the campaign's chief strategist, for crafting a message they said did not match the mood of the year. Penn's allies blame other advisers for mismanaging campaign finances and not putting organizations on the ground in many caucus states.

As recently as last week, there were divisions among top advisers over which advertisement to use against Obama -- one attacking his Iraq war position, or one featuring a "3 a.m. call" to the White House that describes Clinton as better prepared to be president. The latter advertisement won out. But Clinton advisers were infuriated about the original debate, blaming Penn for encouraging her to cling to an unsuccessful argument -- that Obama's deeds have not matched his stated opposition to the Iraq war.
And even though Penn claimed credit for the phone-call ad, senior Clinton advisers expressed confusion over whether Penn or Austin ad guru Roy Spence had made it. Penn's allies said he made the ad -- and insisted on airing it over the objections of other senior advisers, including Mandy Grunwald, who is technically in charge of ad making. Penn wrote the ad, his allies said, and Grunwald reluctantly made it, but then tried to get it spiked.
The sniping over the ad was the latest expression of divisions within a team that has never been cohesive. Advisers complained bitterly about one other, and stories in the media delineated their differences. Several people inside the campaign said earlier that if Clinton won last night, it would be despite her campaign, not because of it.

Moving forward, Clinton officials think she will probably lose the next two contests, in Wyoming on Saturday and Mississippi on Tuesday. Their firewall, they hope, is Pennsylvania on April 22, giving Clinton time to continue raising doubts about Obama's experience, questioning his sincerity about toughening trade laws and appealing to women in a state that mirrors Ohio's working-class demographics. Gov. Edward G. Rendell, a strong Clinton ally, believes he could engineer a victory for her.

"The streak of losses has been snapped," one adviser said last night. "I think we touched bottom a week ago, and we've been coming back up, and the question was: Did we have enough time? And so far, based on the results, we did."



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