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Old February 11th, 2009, 03:04 AM
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bro..you are like me ..if these links what you gave reflect your way of thinking
but i cannot agree with you entirely regarding IITians and Infy,wipro chiefs.

yes our education system is deteriorating fast.
our corporates do not want to invest in research and development. all they want to do is get some quick bucks by serving the western white masters. still some slave mentality yet to get rid-off. somewhere smellyfinger ji told ..we are maids ..maid servants...serving the master(white man)
no dignity ..for maid servants.

we still have to mature a lot. we do not allow free thinking . a new idea is always ridiculed and laughed at. indian managers like to get the work done by threatening, force...and what not. they do not encourage a fear free and learning work environment.
we are like this. time to change ..or else..we will continue to be slaves.
why a google cannot be made in india ?
why a simple database software cannot be developed india ?
dont we have some money to invest in research ?
we dont take risk, we do not encourage free thinking.
a name same free country we are living in.

chalo..bahut ho gaya.
I am in final semester of engineering. A project work is mandatory. We have to do it in groups of 2 to 4. Individual work is not permitted.

I have found no group. Earlier one group had included me but backed off at eleventh hour.

Reason: Officially the image or performance of one candidate does not affect the result of rest of the group. But that is only on papers. Reality is the effect of one bad apple is devastating on otherís marks. And project work has a bearing on job prospects.

I would be happiest to do it alone because I will do it without pressure or interference. I am thinking of obtaining special permission from university to do it alone. But the red tape will be time consuming and laborious and it is not even definite if the permission will materialize. Time is running out.

University says group develops team spirit. But by that logic other students should be penalized for not accommodating me. Itís just a ploy to reduce universityís workload.

I talked to teachers but they indicated, ďItís your problem. Arrange for partners or special permission. Do anything.Ē

Be it any field or department such problems are common in India.

Pray tell me why it is wrong to say India is weak in innovation?

What do I do?
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Old February 11th, 2009, 05:17 AM
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I am in final semester of engineering. A project work is mandatory. We have to do it in groups of 2 to 4. Individual work is not permitted.

I have found no group. Earlier one group had included me but backed off at eleventh hour.

Reason: Officially the image or performance of one candidate does not affect the result of rest of the group. But that is only on papers. Reality is the effect of one bad apple is devastating on otherís marks. And project work has a bearing on job prospects.

I would be happiest to do it alone because I will do it without pressure or interference. I am thinking of obtaining special permission from university to do it alone. But the red tape will be time consuming and laborious and it is not even definite if the permission will materialize. Time is running out.

University says group develops team spirit. But by that logic other students should be penalized for not accommodating me. Itís just a ploy to reduce universityís workload.

I talked to teachers but they indicated, ďItís your problem. Arrange for partners or special permission. Do anything.Ē

Be it any field or department such problems are common in India.

Pray tell me why it is wrong to say India is weak in innovation?

What do I do?
This group work bull shit is what Indian academia has inherited from the latest US fad (not so latest by the way).

Socialism has for long been thriving in academia wherein an individual works hard and the fruits of labor are enjoyed by others in the group.

At this juncture, you can't do dick. If you can afford it, just pay some group members or group leader to allow you to join. After all, bribing is the best way to get things done in India
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i am also in the final sem..and my project has other problems..i have 4 more member who dont give a dick about the project..its just me who is rubbing my ass to get things completed....during presentation 3 of my group mates pooped in pants when the professors asked them queries....i do feel exploited at times..but lifes like that...i am hoping that this helps me in future..i mean i can do things single handedly thats what i have realised..all this years i was a leecher too...but when i found ppl more lecherous thn me i finally ticked my brain and skills for the sake of survival
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:07 AM
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This group work bull shit is what Indian academia has inherited from the latest US fad (not so latest by the way).

Socialism has for long been thriving in academia wherein an individual works hard and the fruits of labor are enjoyed by others in the group.

At this juncture, you can't do dick. If you can afford it, just pay some group members or group leader to allow you to join. After all, bribing is the best way to get things done in India
Even if my performance is Herculean, my reputation will eat up into my partner's marks. I feel guilty about that. Are the rules same in your university?

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At this juncture, you can't do dick.
Tell me more about the usage of word dick in this context. What does it mean here?
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:59 AM
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Tell me more about the usage of word dick in this context. What does it mean here?
I think its got to do more with your attitude and reputation regarding you not being accepted into any group rather than others. So stop blaming others or the system. If everyone else is able to get into teams, you should have been too! I dont know how everyone in class can hate you and deny you a spot in their team? What kind of bullshit is it that you blame India for you not being able to get into a team? Now a whole country and its culture is to blame because you are not able to get along with a few others?

In 4yrs of engg, you are telling us that you havent made any friends in your class?
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Old February 11th, 2009, 08:09 AM
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Even if my performance is Herculean, my reputation will eat up into my partner's marks. I feel guilty about that. Are the rules same in your university?
Yes. I have done my bachelors here in US. Even here, the final year project HAS to be done in teams and the projects themselves are not small enough that an individual can complete it in a semester's time which is about 4-5months. I am sure its the same in India. Further, this group setup is because they want you to understand working in a team, understand the problems when collaborating with others while solving problems. Besides, haven't you ever worked in class projects in groups before this? I am sure there are classes in engg. where you need to do class projects in groups and cant achieve everything by yourself.
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Whole idea of gorup project is to gain some understanding into how things work outside of the academic setting . Also its good for students because since you are exposed to the industry you might get hired too . I dont understand what kind of socialism is in here, but yeah its true that 1 guy does the work and all others gain, but thats true in USA too .

Here in USA though the instructor recognize who actually is the one working, because of a more accessible relationship students have with instructors.
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Tell me more about the usage of word dick in this context. What does it mean here?
You must be one ugly, sad f*cker.
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I have found no group. Earlier one group had included me but backed off at eleventh hour.
Here're my woes,
I have problems with
- my manager
- my wife
- my girlfriend
- my underwear
- my bank
- my car
- my neighbor
- my dandruff
- my co-worker's dandruff
- me smelling bad
- my co-workers smelling bad.
- my constipation
- my co-worker's constipation
- my co-worker sticking his finger in his ass and smelling it

Given my woes, it's hard for me to help you.

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Yes. I have done my bachelors here in US. Even here, the final year project HAS to be done in teams and the projects themselves are not small enough that an individual can complete it in a semester's time which is about 4-5months. I am sure its the same in India. Further, this group setup is because they want you to understand working in a team, understand the problems when collaborating with others while solving problems. Besides, haven't you ever worked in class projects in groups before this? I am sure there are classes in engg. where you need to do class projects in groups and cant achieve everything by yourself.

Rampy pai....hard working student can almost always achieve everything by himself....assuming he/she does not care for "get a life" crap that is prevalent from Thursday night thru Sunday night
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Kahan kahan se kaise kaise character create kerta he yeh harami 420. This Barbad id got to be the tops. To be able to get away with this shit for so many months ... amazing.

Someday Bollywood is going to make Bombay to Goa type of film out of characters at this site. Sabh awal number ke thekedar.

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Even if my performance is Herculean, my reputation will eat up into my partner's marks. I feel guilty about that.
What did you do? Why is your reputation so bad? May I ask?
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I am in final semester of engineering. A project work is mandatory. We have to do it in groups of 2 to 4. Individual work is not permitted.
Quit moping.You just have to get a "pass" sticker on your degree certificate.Manage that somehow and you'd be fine.

There are thousands of sub-standard graduates from ordinary state colleges / paid seats' colleges who are thriving in India and abroad.

Just like me. You can too
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