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Old May 3rd, 2018, 09:35 PM
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Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/at-..._content=om-bm

With more and more youths joining militancy post Burhan Wani , the war in Kashmir has become literally endless .

Part of the reason is probably the high fertility rate of Kashmiri Muslims , which provides jehadis in unending numbers due to ever increasing pool of population. Also unlike earlier times when the jehadis used to be Pakistanis , this time they are mostly Kashmiris .

For those countering the jehadis ( like security forces) , one can only say that times are tough ahead....
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

This report shows you that just tackling terrorism is not going to solve the problem. Terrorism is just a symptom... you squash one symptom here, another will pop up there. And this will go on and on and on... and on and on and on. The only way to fix the problem is to denounce the religion... for what it is. It is that simple... only not politically lucrative. So we will keep facing terrorism... and then our children... and then their children... and their children... and so on and on and on and on. This will go on and on and on... and on and on and on
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

The TOIlet article is to reinforce the narrative that BJP govt if failing in its Kashmir policy.
There was a bit of relative peace in 2011 12, but stone pelting and all continued though on a lower scale. Some one actually did a Kashmir tour for a lakh rupees in 2007. I now feel such a trip would be feeding the snake.

Anyway, India has roughed this for last 29 years.
Lets see how it shapes up now
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

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The TOIlet article is to reinforce the narrative that BJP govt if failing in its Kashmir policy.
There was a bit of relative peace in 2011 12, but stone pelting and all continued though on a lower scale. Some one actually did a Kashmir tour for a lakh rupees in 2007. I now feel such a trip would be feeding the snake.

Anyway, India has roughed this for last 29 years.
Lets see how it shapes up now
My girlfriend is going with her family to Kashmir for vacation in the next few days. She had contacted some Muslim Kashmiri travel agent from Jammu who was going to give them a very economical tour. But I have convinced her to take SOTC tour . I was of course invited to come but I declined.
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

I think bkp govt has done well to keep things in check. If they leave this govt then pdp, Congress and Abdullahs will form govt and screw up the little progress made so far
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

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My girlfriend is going with her family to Kashmir for vacation in the next few days. She had contacted some Muslim Kashmiri travel agent from Jammu who was going to give them a very economical tour. But I have convinced her to take SOTC tour . I was of course invited to come but I declined.

The Jammu Peaceful guys are different from Kashmiris. In the early days, they were not into separatist stuff. One guy in a PSU i worked was from Jammu. He went to a sainik school and even tried for NDA (did not make it).

He said that Kashmiris want subsidies from India and hence keep raising this Azadi bogie. He also claimed that once in Srinagar, he narrowly missed a bullet that BSF/CRPF was firing at public.
Not sure what the situation in Jammu is now. This kathua thing was probably to instigate terror in Jammu too.
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

Is there any solution in sight? I think they will have to realize it themselves that they are better off staying with India. Maybe when India becomes prosperous..but that may take time.
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Is there any solution in sight? I think they will have to realize it themselves that they are better off staying with India. Maybe when India becomes prosperous..but that may take time.
As long as the root cause (Pakistan - ISI -etc.) is there, there would be no solution in sight. At first sight it sounds great to give this ungrateful bunch to Pak and let them deal with it (Valley is hardly 10% -15% in area of full J & K) and keep Jammu and Ladakh.

But Pak sees this as the first step in 'Ghazwa e hind'. They will jump and many other parts of India in Assam, Bengal, UP, etc. will start up for separation.
They will also revive the Khalistan movement (they have been trying but nationalist sikhs probably outnumber Khalistanis by a wide margin).

The Pakistan ideology centers on India not being one country. Here is what the proponent thought.


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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

I have a solution but India does not have the stomach to implement it. So forget it.

And no its not about killing everyone like Hitler or some such crazy thing.. but very practical...
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/one...w/64071088.cms

Now tourists are also being killed.

And terrorists prefer death over surrender---

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/dea...w/64086967.cms
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

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Now tourists are also being killed.
Who is their right mind would go to Kashmir for vacation? I thought people stopped going in late 70s itself.
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Who is their right mind would go to Kashmir for vacation? I thought people stopped going in late 70s itself.
In fact 88 89 were the best years for Kashmir tourism. Then the insurgency started.

Anyway, My girlfriend is going with her family in few days!!

Like a typical kanjoos sindhi she is not ready to forgo cancellation charges.
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

I think i posted it elsewhere. One Bong friend went to Kashmir in 1986 and said 'it looked like any other part of India'

In fact, the peaceful Jammu colleague mentioned earlier in this thread also used to remember pre 89 days, saying they used to talk about Punjab, Assam and all and now Kashmir is also in the same mess. he also commented 'Kashmiriyon me itni dam kahan se aa gayi'
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Re: Kashmir has become a bottomless pit of militancy

All the trouble is only virtually confined to Kashmir. Jammu, Ladakh don't seem to have any such problems?!!
These Kashmiris are doing these nakhras , much like Rakhails (keeps), so that they are treated as something special.
They are being given special treatment-----our soldiers CANNOT retaliate against those stone pelters (who are allowed to go scot free AMNESTY ETC..-----even the SC agrees to let them off!)------ Not just that, these MILITANTS are provide special funds if and when they decide to come back into THE MAINSTREAM!-------- So, its a win-win situation for these MILITANTS!
In effect, they can eat their cake and have it too!
So, why will militancy not increase in Kashmir?
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