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Re: India Retaliates, Air Force destroys Jaish camps in PoK

Pakistan is currently in market with a begging bowl . Their potential seth log include Saudi Arabia, China and they are also on verge of default with IMF. Guess there are plenty of Indians in high level positions in IMF . Google Geetha Gopinath.
Most of the countries and IMF are going to bail out Pakistan only one condition that their investments are safe. War affects only Northern region of India ( India is still making money playing Cricket and nothing is shut down in Bangalore or Hyderabad ) but for Pakistan whole country is shut down and there goes their bail out money out of window........
Imran Khan knows he cannot continue this war anymore despite the moronic common man crying for Indian blood. If India makes one more attack Imran Khan has to buckle. His first priority is securing money to run government and not war. I don't think we are under pressure to stop soon. We can continue the pressure and Pakistan will buckle. ........
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Pakistan is currently in market with a begging bowl . Their potential seth log include Saudi Arabia, China and they are also on verge of default with IMF. Guess there are plenty of Indians in high level positions in IMF . Google Geetha Gopinath.
Most of the countries and IMF are going to bail out Pakistan only one condition that their investments are safe. War affects only Northern region of India ( India is still making money playing Cricket and nothing is shut down in Bangalore or Hyderabad ) but for Pakistan whole country is shut down and there goes their bail out money out of window........
Imran Khan knows he cannot continue this war anymore despite the moronic common man crying for Indian blood. If India makes one more attack Imran Khan has to buckle. His first priority is securing money to run government and not war. I don't think we are under pressure to stop soon. We can continue the pressure and Pakistan will buckle. ........
I think India has finally cut the throat of pukiland to start the bleeding. They would much rather spend their resources on basic necessities like food, water, electricity, but now forced to spend all of their reserves on terrorists and military. Apparently, they don't even have enough fuel to keep their squadrons moving around for long The bakra will eventually die.
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Pakistan is currently in market with a begging bowl . Their potential seth log include Saudi Arabia, China and they are also on verge of default with IMF. Guess there are plenty of Indians in high level positions in IMF . Google Geetha Gopinath.
Most of the countries and IMF are going to bail out Pakistan only one condition that their investments are safe. War affects only Northern region of India ( India is still making money playing Cricket and nothing is shut down in Bangalore or Hyderabad ) but for Pakistan whole country is shut down and there goes their bail out money out of window........
Imran Khan knows he cannot continue this war anymore despite the moronic common man crying for Indian blood. If India makes one more attack Imran Khan has to buckle. His first priority is securing money to run government and not war. I don't think we are under pressure to stop soon. We can continue the pressure and Pakistan will buckle. ........
Don’t bank too much on Indians in there. One WhatsApp group guy ( a tam bran turned capitalist turned commie) says he is investing in P and has plans to bring that back from the brink. He is not in any international lending agency. The guy was praising IK.
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How Can India Bring Back IAF Pilot Captured by Pak and Will the Geneva Convention Help?

India conveyed strong objection to Islamabad at the 'vulgar display' of an injured personnel in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention.

Anusha Soni, Debayan RoyUpdated:February 27, 2019, 10:30 PM IST

How Can India Bring Back IAF Pilot Captured by Pak and Will the Geneva Convention Help? Seen here is a logo of the United Nations.

New Delhi: India on Wednesday summoned the acting high commissioner of Pakistan and demanded the immediate and safe return of an IAF pilot who was captured by Pakistan following an aerial engagement by air forces of the two countries.

It has also been made clear to Pakistan that no harm should be caused to the IAF Wing Commander, the External Affairs Ministry said, adding it has conveyed strong objection to Islamabad at the "vulgar display" of an injured personnel in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention.

As the world leaders urge the two nuclear-armed rivals to exercise restraint, here’s what India can do to bring back the pilot and what the international law says on the matter.

The law in such matters is governed by International Committee of Red Cross which lays down detailed mechanisms of how two or more nations engaged in a conflict should deal with enemy soldiers captured. More specifically, the third Geneva Convention of 1949 lays down a wide range of protection for prisoners of war. It defines their rights and sets down detailed rules for their treatment and eventual release. International humanitarian law (IHL) also protects other persons deprived of liberty as a result of armed conflict.

Prof Manoj Kumar Sinha, Director of Indian Law Institute and an expert on International law, says whether it is determined that there is a state of war or armed conflict or not, "a person has to be tested humanely and with respect when captured by another country. The member of the armed forces will have to be given all rights in accordance with UDHR and International Humanitarian Law".

Sinha also added that as per convention as soon as the period of conflict or war is over, the officer needs to be handed over to the country of origin.

Under detention during the conflict, the ‘prisoner of war’ has rights under the international charter that protects him from torture, intimidation and also the basic human rights. The country having such PoWs can prosecute them for war crimes but not for the violent acts during the armed confrontation or for taking part in the hostilities.

Article 4 of the third Geneva Convention defines the ‘prisoners of war’ and lays down their rights. The convention lists out in detail that the country having prisoners of war must provide them with basic amenities and also have a respect for the rank and designation of the officer captured.

One of the questions that arise is whether the present hostilities be termed as ‘war’ without any formal announcement. The relevant convention and earlier definitions of ‘war’ under the Hague Convention of 1899 defines its very broadly. Such hostilities without any formal announcement and the eventual arrest of the IAF pilot by Pakistan are covered under the definition of ‘prisoners of war’ and accorded protections.

The last precedent is of Kambampati Nachiketa, who was captured during the Kargil war between India and Pakistan in 1999. After the war came to an end, India had to build an international pressure on Pakistan for his release.

Diplomacy and international pressure are the key tools through which national governments can ascertain that the enemy nation follows the international protocol. Like much of the international law, the implementation of it is ensured by moral and international pressure of for the fear of diplomatic sanctions. Once again India will have to wage a diplomatic war to get IAF pilot Abhinandan Varthaman back.
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Friend our brave maratha leader Raj Thakre has said Godi plan Pulwama to win election. Do you agree with this paaltu of late Balasaab.
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Re: India Retaliates, Air Force destroys Jaish camps in PoK

Some good news !!! Wing Commander Abhinandan will be handed over tomorrow to India at Wagah border.

Live updates | IAF pilot Abhinandan to be released tomorrow, says Imran Khan



https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le26394724.ece
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Pakistan says it will release captured Indian pilot as gesture of peace tomorrow .

Tomorrow is another day . What if further violation of LOC by Pakistani fighter jets occurs and situation escalates and Pakistan backtracks on its promise ? Let us hope for best .
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Pak have to return him safe and sound, this gesture of peace is only humbug
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Friend our brave maratha leader Raj Thakre has said Godi plan Pulwama to win election. Do you agree with this paaltu of late Balasaab.
He is an idiot. He is saying this to gain attention. Nobody knows he is on same planet otherwise.
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On WhatsApp , which has proved to be the death of many forums like this .


Anyway I shall try to piece together the attack as it happened .

First of all , the decision to strike was inevitable because the Jaish e Mohammed was going to terror bomb again after the Pulwama attack .

Our intelligence agents from RAW had found out that the JEM had shifted many terrorists from their launch pads along LOC to balakot in Pakistan . Here they were in a training camp cum resort with firing range for practicing and swimming pool as well . Head of this camp was Azhar Yusuf , who was brother in law of JEM chief Masood Azhar .

Our 12 french built mirage 2000 jets took off from their main base of Gwalior in central India rather than any forward base in order to surprise . If they had been shifted to forward base then ISI spies would have conveyed the info to Pakistan . After the mirages took off they underwent mid air refuelling from 2 Russian built Ilyushin 78 air tankers which had flown in from Agra .

As the mirages moved towards Pakistan they were joined by some Sukhoi 30 MKI air dominance fighters from Bareilly and halwara air bases , whose task was to protect them from air attack . The whole formation crossed the LOC and then into Pakistan itself . Additional sukhois were flying along the LOC in case an air battle broke out . Indeed some Pakistani fighter jets were directed towards the formation but went back and did not attack because they were Chinese tech inferior jf 17 fighters unable to match our fighters .

All this was happening around 3 am in dead of night . At 3 .27 am the mirages released their payload on the target . It consisted of Israeli built spice 2000 laser guided bombs . The laser designator paints the target with a beam of laser and the bomb then rides along the beam to smash into the target . Also some Israeli built AGM 142 ( Popeye 2 ) missiles were fired from a distance of 60 to 80 km . The destruction was complete and at least 300 jehadis were killed . Some camps near LOC were hit too . They had been identified by Israeli built heron drones by aerial surveillance .

The balakot camp was spread over 6 acres , so 6 big 1000 kg bombs were used . It is 64 km from abottabad where Osama bin Laden was killed . The havoc rose nearby villagers from their sleep according to BBC Urdu , which took interviews of the villagers . The villagers thought that some earthquake was shaking them out of their sleep . The Indian fighter jets returned to their bases by 4 am . The IAF was using Phalcon AWACS and another mini AWACS to track enemy fighters . AWACS is plane with huge 400 km range radar that detects enemy fighters and transfers that info to our fighters by data link . The AWACS flew from Bhatinda air base .

This is the first air attack by a nuclear power on the territory of another nuclear power . So it is a record of sorts . Jai Hind !!
Were 300 really killed? Sorry but there is too much confusion going around about this figure.
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https://www.livefistdefence.com/2019...f-16-kill.html

India claims that the old and humble mig 21 just scored it's first ever F 16 kill !!
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Were 300 really killed? Sorry but there is too much confusion going around about this figure.
IAF is the source of this information based on the mission that they carried out. What's the confusion?
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IAF is the source of this information based on the mission that they carried out. What's the confusion?
IAF did not say that. They could not have counted bodies when they were in air. This figure is coming from media.
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In war casualties have to be accepted . Let's not overdo our need to have him back . We will then be seen as kowtowing before Pakistan to get our man back. .
Casualties have to be accepted but not expected. Also, we are not at war, we need to clarify that this was an attack on Jaish's training camp - not on Pakistan. In a way we are helping Pakistan get rid of terror camp on their grounds, while they keep denying these camps exist.

There is no kowtowing here. We should demand him back, he is our guy, Citizen of India, he deserves support from the government.

hopefully he comes back safe today.
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Were 300 really killed? Sorry but there is too much confusion going around about this figure.
Confusion, yes. But there could also be some disinformation in this regard, like this article.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/intern...le26404918.ece
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