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Old July 21st, 2011, 03:39 PM
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Teaching Gita in schools..BJP up to its shenanigans again

This blogger illustrates some of the main issues that cripple the BJP and why people like echarcha and others including me are disappointed in what was promising to be a viable national alternative to congress. Also I would like to add that if the BJP had a solid agenda and upright leaders, it would eliminate some of the regional parties that dominate the Indian political scene.


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It’s no longer surprising. The BJP simply cannot stay away from its core Hindu agenda. There are reports now that the BJP plans to introduce compulsory education of the Bhagwad Gita in schools in Karanataka. The BJP education minister there apparently stated that “No Indian who has values can oppose the Bhagavad Gita. Only those who love to adopt western culture can oppose the Gita. Such persons may well quit the country". Now there is no denying the merit of the Gita being a prominent Hindu scripture, but this plan casts the BJP in a very orthodox and conservative mould. It shows that the BJP never moved ahead from its two-decade old agenda.

The subject raises some pertinent questions:

1) Why is the party choosing to muddle in matters of faith when it has the opportunity of a lifetime to grab the corruption issue with both hands? Is it because the party realizes that it is as corrupt as the Congress or any other party? (Refer the Economic Times – Synovate study – published in the paper on April 17th this year – out of the 13 “most corrupt” states, BJP figured in five, Congress in four and the rest were single-state parties. Another way to look at this is that the Congress was named in four out of its 12 ruled states (33%), the BJP in five out of its 7 (71%), and the rest were ruled in the single state that they ruled in (100%)). Is it because it has already lost the anti-corruption plank to the so called apolitical civil society?

2) Since the party continues to deny its “saffronisation of education” charge all the time, why is it that such initiatives take place only in BJP ruled states? Prior to Karnataka, it was in MP that the BJP tried to teach Gita lessons in state schools. It had also tried to make the recital of “Vande Mataram” and performance of the “Surya Namaskar” compulsory....but was held back by the courts. And as we all know, even prior to this, the NDA government at the center – under the overtly saffron leader Murli Manohar Joshi – had tried to make Sanskrit language and the recital of “Sarasvati Vandana” compulsory in schools nationally. Is it mere co-incidence that such initiative originate during BJP rule and in BJP ruled states?

3) Why doesn’t the BJP publicly and unashamedly state that it is a pro-Hindu party? Is it worried that it will never be able to form a government at the center with a strident pro-Hindu attitude? Is it worries of not being able to attract coalition partners that makes it mute its saffron agenda rather than adopt it out with full conviction? Is the party so power-hungry that it is willing to sacrifice it core agenda only so that it can have a good chance of coming to power?

4) Why does the BJP mix politics into every discussion? Why does a discussion on terrorism invariably ending up discounting saffron terrorism as even a possibility? Why is the color of terrorism always green for the BJP if it were not for its politics?

In my mind, not only is the BJP harming the country, it is also harming its own prospects of ruling in the future. The party should have realized by now the limits of exploiting religion. In spite of the crescendo of support around the Ram Janmabhoomi issue, the party failed to scale the majority mark even once on its own. Even in 1999 when it came to power, it had to almost jettison its core issue in the effort to form a coalition. Even today, no political party – except the known saffron ones – want to tie up happily with the BJP. It’s only their anti-Congress stance that makes them do so. Even when they do tie up, almost all parties distance themselves from the BJP’s Hindutva positon. Take Nitish Kumar’s Janata Dal (United) in Bihar for example. It doesn’t want to go anywhere near the BJP during election time! Why, it even refused to allow the BJP’s poster boy Narendra Modi into the state during election time.....

My own view is that religion is an extremely private subject. It should be left there. There is nothing wrong in teaching the Gita or any other Hindu scriptures but what is wrong that this be done in schools. I also don’t find merit in the proposal that all religions should be taught in school – I am sorry but in my world view, schools are for learning modern subjects and a new way of life, not religion. That job is entirely of the parents to do. Even society should not dabble in religion. Unfortunately society does – and we see this in the way people like to be seen in religious places for more reasons than just seeking solace or blessings. Unfortunately, our society requires that we be seen prominently at religious places.....isn’t it almost a PR exercise for many our people? Isn’t this why we choose the busiest day of the week to visit religious places? This is true in all religions (Christians during Sunday Mass....Muslims during the Friday Namaaz and Hindus on select dates of the week like Thursday is for Sai Baba and so on).

The real truth is that the BJP is playing with fire by pursuing its religious agenda. It knows that there is a real danger in doing so. It divides the people up rather than uniting them. It makes people doubt each other rather than trust each other. It makes us parochial and takes us back in time. Religion should be kept inside the home.....not brought out in the open. My sincere request to the party is to abandon it. And take up something else that is more relevant to a modern society.....
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BJP has no ideology of its own is what I have come to realize. They live off borrowed ideas from the RSS fugga chaddi brigade.

Yes, they have a great opportunity to use Hazare and Dhongi Baba Ramdev to their advantage and get electoral windfall, but I am so sure they will fuck this up very well.

While Rahul Gandhi is making brouhaha and gathering attention in Uttar Pradesh, BJP is sitting solidly with its thumb up their collective assholes. Maybe Congress wont win in UP but they will surely make a small yet definitive dent in the Mayawati fort.

BJP is basically just tagging along RSS and is devoid of any ideas or agenda. I have lost faith and respect for this party which I held in high esteem once upon a time. Congress is way better because you know what you will get in advance with an additional glimmer of hope for something better.

With BJP its like same old Hindutva nonsense and radicalisation of Hindus which people fear. Nah, its time for BJP to forever remain in the opposition aisle.
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  • My own view is that religion is an extremely private subject.
  • There is nothing wrong in teaching the Gita or any other Hindu scriptures but what is wrong that this be done in schools.
  • Schools are for learning modern subjects and a new way of life, not religion.

very true... few years back or only before a decade pakis used to had to proud to have religion interfere in normal life, schools, politics, public places.... and now we can see the result there
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  • My own view is that religion is an extremely private subject.
  • There is nothing wrong in teaching the Gita or any other Hindu scriptures but what is wrong that this be done in schools.
  • Schools are for learning modern subjects and a new way of life, not religion.

very true... few years back or only before a decade pakis used to had to proud to have religion interfere in normal life, schools, politics, public places.... and now we can see the result there
If RSS is allowed to run amok, we will see 'hindu school kids' turn into violent radical saffron terrorists within a generation.
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Let them run amok teaching Sanskrit as the first language, or as at least one of the languages.
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nothing wrong in teaching gita, i was taught Ramayan and Mahabharat in my class six and seven in Kendriya Vidyalaya, and it is still is syllabus. hindu text can never make anyone fundamentalist because they never show being hindu is being superior, infact they never mentioned word Hindus, geeta never says it is the only true path etc and kill someone if one doesn't follow it

didn't the christian school teach about their version of god, at least in assembly prayers, today pseudo secular are opposing geeta and tomorrow they will oppose sing sholkas in morning school prayer

infact, armed forces have always followed secular hindu way of life, with names like arjun,bhishma, and platoon names like ghatak, prahaar, shatrunash etc

motto of all the armed forces are in sanskrit


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Jeet bhau, we grew up in simpler times. Today RSS is a real threat for Hindus. They have nothing but a radical agenda.

Think of long term effects. Zia introduced radical Islam in Pakistan and we see the results now. We dont want the same shit to happen in India in the next few decades. Its already happened to a smaller degree, thanks to fugga chaddis and the loser BJP. So no more please.
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nothing wrong in teaching gita, i was taught Ramayan and Mahabharat in my class six and seven in Kendriya Vidyalaya, and it is still is syllabus. hindu text can never make anyone fundamentalist because they never show being hindu is being superior, infact they never mentioned word Hindus, geeta never says it is the only true path etc and kill someone if one doesn't follow it

didn't the christian school teach about their version of god, at least in assembly prayers, today pseudo secular are opposing geeta and tomorrow they will oppose sing sholkas in morning school prayer

infact, armed forces have always followed secular hindu way of life, with names like arjun,bhishma, and platoon names like ghatak, prahaar, shatrunash etc

motto of all the armed forces are in sanskrit


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Agreed, in my Catholic school we used to sing "Tu Majha Sangati" (a Tukaram or Namdeo abhang) and "The Lord is my Shepherd" in our morning assembly. But like echarcha said, those were simpler times. I would have no objection to having abstracts/stories from the Gita as part of the Hindi or vernacular language course. But to have a separate course on the Gita and then to make it compulsory.. combined with the rhetoric from the education minister: <“No Indian who has values can oppose the Bhagavad Gita. Only those who love to adopt western culture can oppose the Gita. Such persons may well quit the country"> does not bode well for the BJP.

The point of the post is not to oppose the teaching of the Gita, it is more about the BJP digging itself into a bigger electoral hole.
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nothing wrong in teaching gita, i was taught Ramayan and Mahabharat in my class six and seven in Kendriya Vidyalaya, and it is still is syllabus. hindu text can never make anyone fundamentalist because they never show being hindu is being superior, infact they never mentioned word Hindus, geeta never says it is the only true path etc and kill someone if one doesn't follow it

didn't the christian school teach about their version of god, at least in assembly prayers, today pseudo secular are opposing geeta and tomorrow they will oppose sing sholkas in morning school prayer

infact, armed forces have always followed secular hindu way of life, with names like arjun,bhishma, and platoon names like ghatak, prahaar, shatrunash etc

motto of all the armed forces are in sanskrit


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exactly praahji. gita padhana zurm ho gaya kya. look at the secularists echans jumping like monkies
jump on the 'compulsory' part when it is actually forced down the throats of others. that will never happen. hinduism cannot force itself on others. its just being self-protective as per need of the times.
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exactly praahji. gita padhana zurm ho gaya kya. look at the secularists echans jumping like monkies
jump on the 'compulsory' part when it is actually forced down the throats of others. that will never happen. hinduism cannot force itself on others. its just being self-protective as per need of the times.
Like all bilnd faith supporters of BJP, you missed the point entirely. When you can't debate logically, name calling is all you are left with. Truly sad to see BJP as a sinking ship grasping at straws!

At least learn to spell "monkies" correctly.
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Like all bilnd faith supporters of BJP, you missed the point entirely. When you can't debate logically, name calling is all you are left with. Truly sad to see BJP as a sinking ship grasping at straws!

At least learn to spell "monkies" correctly.
no sir, i am no die hard supporter of any party. what made u conclude that?

i like certain people, certain ideologies, certain stands and certain desperate measures when needed.

in fact, dirty politics and deep corruption is one such drastic measure.

BJP is no sinking ship.

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Thank you for your kind clarification. You ought to be made the Oxford English Dictionary's chief lexicographer. I support.
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exactly praahji. gita padhana zurm ho gaya kya. look at the secularists echans jumping like monkies
jump on the 'compulsory' part when it is actually forced down the throats of others. that will never happen. hinduism cannot force itself on others. its just being self-protective as per need of the times.
You are missing it completely.

I went to a Catholic school. Since 5th standard, there used to be a separate class for the Christian boys about Catholicism, and for the rest there was a Moral Science class.

Our school used to invite eminent speakers to address the school assembly. I have seen Hindu spiritual gurus, Muslim Maulanas and Christian fathers come address the assemblies. Those were simpler days, when there was no political agenda behind teaching any religion or religious scripture.

Today the BJP is trying to force its Hindutva agenda on to everyone. And when they say 'Those who object to Gita can get out of India', well, it shows how politically bankrupt they are.

Initially, I was all for Ramdev trying to join the fast for Lokpal bill, but the moment I saw his political agenda with items like '100% swadeshi' and all that jingoistic bullshit, I was out of it.
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Initially, I was all for Ramdev trying to join the fast for Lokpal bill, but the moment I saw his political agenda with items like '100% swadeshi' and all that jingoistic bullshit, I was out of it.
Sri Baba Ramdev ji has some issues with the English language too ... he prefers that you not communicate in this firangi tongue.

His economic theories and his enthusiasm for swadeshi has led some people to conclude that he was advised by the fringe swadeshi wing within the RSS. And, hey, it turns out that Sri Govindarcharya ji, swadeshi par excellence, was an advisor.
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