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Old April 2nd, 2017, 12:45 AM
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No Reservation for Muslims?

Friends,

I have come across some facts. Muslims make up 12% of the population, but have only 6% of all jobs. This is because 50% of positions are reserved for Hindus as SC, ST, OBC, etc, where Muslims cannot compete. Since Muslims can only compete half the jobs, they are getting only half the seats.

This is clear injustice. What should be done about this -

i) Either Remove all reservations for everyone

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ii) Have 12% reservation for Muslims.

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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

according to 2011 census , muslims form 14.2 percent of population . 12 percent is 20 year old figure of 1991 census .

i think OBC muslims ( probably hindu OBCs converted to islam long ago ) do have reservations . so do SC muslims ( SC converts ) , i guess .
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

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Friends,

I have come across some facts. Muslims make up 12% of the population, but have only 6% of all jobs. This is because 50% of positions are reserved for Hindus as SC, ST, OBC, etc, where Muslims cannot compete. Since Muslims can only compete half the jobs, they are getting only half the seats.

This is clear injustice. What should be done about this -

i) Either Remove all reservations for everyone

OR

ii) Have 12% reservation for Muslims.

That is my idea.
means you want all the Muslims to be in govt jobs ?

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according to 2011 census , Muslims form 14.2 percent of population . 12 percent is 20 year old figure of 1991 census .

i think OBC Muslims ( probably hindu OBCs converted to islam long ago ) do have reservations . so do SC Muslims ( SC converts ) , i guess .
don't believe census thats done during kaangress raj !
Do you believe they will be only 14% after 20years ? the census figures are rigged for Muslims and Christians which are their perpetual vote banks.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

No. There should be no reservations for them. First, we should understand why reservation is needed and then see if they fit that objective.

If we give for Muslims, why not Christians and Sikhs?
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Option 1 looks good, but who will bell the cat?

As mentioned by Kallu Pai, what are the numbers of Chrisitans and Sardajis. Or should we have a pro rep system in jobs too? Each community gets jobs in proportion to its numbers. Probably Parsis would end up with no jobs.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

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means you want all the Muslims to be in govt jobs ?



don't believe census thats done during kaangress raj !
Do you believe they will be only 14% after 20years ? the census figures are rigged for Muslims and Christians which are their perpetual vote banks.
shringarey will accept only census figures i guess . so i quoted them .
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

why are they not worried about jobs when they produce a dozen children in each family??? How can madrasa educated students who do not have a basic knowledge of math or science can get jobs?

This is not just an Indian phenomenon, muslims in every other country of the world are generally backward compared to the rest of population. This is something muslims have to look into as to why this is the case.

Or does it have to do something with islam?????
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Recently somebody put a PIL in SC saying in the state of J&K, Hindus are in minority and should be given reservation instead of Muslims who are in huge majority and sucking all the resources. He stated out of like 2000 scholarships, not even 1 given to Hindus, and only a few going to sikhs and buddhists.

Following the same logic, Andaman and Nicobar also Hindus should get reservation being minority at 2% and in the states of Arunachal, Manipur, etc as well.

Basically it has to be at state level not national level according to constitution.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Muslims,christians and Sikhs have reservation like anyother religion, like muslim weavers are OBC and Chammar Sikhs are SC

reservation is for certain class of people not certain caste of people.

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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Reservations and quotas ARE caste and 'minority' based------and mullahs have asserted ON TV that Muslims do have castes, and that the Koran endorses caste!
So, it's a misconception that Muslims are denied reservations !
In fact, non-Hindu religions get special grants, concessions, grants etc.. because they are a 'minority'!
It's the Hindus who don't get anything on the basis of being Hindus!

Ideally, benefits based on the accident of birth are evil----they breed mediocrity, irresponsibility, selfishness, even corruption etc..

Reservations must be replaced by INCENTIVES and rewards!
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

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Option 1 looks good, but who will bell the cat?

As mentioned by Kallu Pai, what are the numbers of Chrisitans and Sardajis. Or should we have a pro rep system in jobs too? Each community gets jobs in proportion to its numbers. Probably Parsis would end up with no jobs.
Christians and Sardarjis are about 2%.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

See we give reservation to SC/STs, BCs etc because they lost out on progress having been suppressed by upper castes. They were dominated.

Muslims actually invaded India and enslaved Hindus. So technically in the ladder of reservations, all Hindus are below them (although some Hindus are above SC, ST, BC, etc) and Hindus deserve reservation before any Muslim gets it.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Is India the only country where the religion based reservation exists?
Before we talk about if they should be given any reservation, perhaps we should look into why they need a reservation...
I can understand if its a treaty made several decades ago but getting something new with no apparent reason seems unfair to the people who are not a minority.

Instead, I wish there was an act that gets passed where people with disabilities get a job and lead a dignified life.
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Is India the only country where the religion based reservation exists?
Before we talk about if they should be given any reservation, perhaps we should look into why they need a reservation...
I can understand if its a treaty made several decades ago but getting something new with no apparent reason seems unfair to the people who are not a minority.

Instead, I wish there was an act that gets passed where people with disabilities get a job and lead a dignified life.
In India people are so desperate they will chop a limb to get a permanent job, I think we do have reservations for physically handicapped but it's quite meager.

Reservation is just a tool now for political parties, nobody ever reviewed if after 70 years the situation is same or getting better or worse for minorities. This is a bullet nobody will ever bite, let's reconcile to the fact it can't be removed or altered. No point flogging the dead horse.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

What you people are saying is OK - that there should be no reservations. But now that there are reservations, should not 12% go to Muslims?

The Supreme Court struck it down as unconstitutional. But we can amend the constitution
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