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Old December 17th, 2001, 05:43 AM
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It Will Be A Full Scale War- Experts

It will be a full scale war, warn experts

New Delhi, Dec. 16: It may sound popular sending our forces in ‘hot pursuit’ of those behind attacking the seat of Indian democracy, but several security analysts say the move would put India at a disadvantage and lead to an open war with Pakistan.

“Hot pursuit is not a solution to terrorism and it will not solve the problem. Rather New Delhi will lose the politico-diplomatic advantage that we gained by not crossing the Line of Control during Kargil,” Air Cmdre Jasjit Singh (retd), former director of the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses said.

Besides, going across in pursuit of terrorists could escalate into a full scale war between the two countries, Singh said wondering further “where does one go in hot pursuit... Does one go and bomb entire Pakistan?”

“I don’t think it should be done at present,” said former Army chief General V N Sharma (retd) noting that “taking harsh action is very easy, but are we prepared to be in control of the actions (read outright open war) that will result from it?

“At this stage US forces are in Pakistan and they are not going to take kindly to another flashpoint,” said the General.

“Our strategic interest is how we deal with Pakistan, which is the hotbed of terrorism for us. At present there is a conflict within the Pakistani establishment with a large section of the Army opposed to General Musharraf’s stance of siding with the Americans,” Gen Sharma said.

“An offensive action, on our part, will unite the forces, which will not work to our advantage,” said the General, who was in favour of the Army crossing the Line of Control during the Kargil operations two years ago.

“Indirectly the Pakistani President’s actions are working to our advantage,” he said.

B Raman, former additional secretary, Research and Analysis Wing, noted that a la American or Israeli style of open air raids against Pakistan wouldn’t work in this situation as both the adversaries were nuclear powers.

Raman said the best strategy for India vis- a-vis Pakistan was “to launch a counter proxy war against that country and destabilise it.

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Re: It Will Be A Full Scale War- Experts

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Raman said the best strategy for India vis- a-vis Pakistan was “to launch a counter proxy war against that country and destabilise it.

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proxy war chalane ka kafi opportunities hai, but we don't seem to be very efficient in it. ek muhajir issue hai, uske bad sindh hai, kuchh din pehle dekha POK mein bhi kuchh log hai jisko istemal kar sakta islamabad ke virodh karne ke liye.

afganistan itself is a gold mine if handled carefully. non-pashtun afgans will only be too happy to screw pakistan. it may not be very difficult to promote a pashtun insurgency across the durand line.

but for all this, we need really good officers and agents. i doubt we have such ppl.
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Cool so let be it...........

that was my first reaction after reading these line, it might be any indian decision after reading those lines........

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But we can choose a less expensive, start same kind of proxy war, the cons of it, its cost lots of humanlife at home front too and lots of bad name to India, and second point ofcourse, do we have dedicated people for that. Infect if supposs next change come to some other political party, they'll shut down those activities.

The best option this time, take the risk and start a war, atleast it will spread the word in whole of the world that, we too suffering from same dicease as the other part of the world are
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India just cannot fight a proxy war

We unfortunately do not have a large Pakistan based India sympathetic population so strategecally it will be difficult to start a proxy war there unlike Pakistan.

For eaxmple Prof Gillani(An educated Delhi university Muslim) could be so instrumental in masterminding the attack on Parliament. Not to forget Mohammad Afroze who operated from India.

Neither do we have our 'Tiger memons' or 'Dawood Ibrahims' who will use all their resources to kill Pakistanis.

Neither do we have a pro Indian population along Pakistan's coastlines who could help us offload RDX or some such explosive materials.

The only option is an all out war for India, as doing what Pakistan does could easily earn us the label of being a terrorist nation apart from losing the high moral ground that we have today.
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[b]Raman said the best strategy for India vis- a-vis Pakistan was “to launch a counter proxy war against that country and destabilise it.
Kinda similar to what I said all the time. Instead of an open war, serve them back in the same plate. A discreet proxy war that'll screw them from inside.

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We unfortunately do not have a large Pakistan based India sympathetic population so strategecally it will be difficult to start a proxy war there unlike Pakistan
If that was to once again splash slime on the faces of Indian muslims, then you made your point. Otherwise, you have a lot to learn about the age old divide and rule policy. America didn't exactly have US sympathisers in the Afghan, but still they managed to make one group finish off the others without letting their own soldiers step on the soil till the very end. US didn't exactly have sympathisers in the USSR, but look at how many pieces it divided the USSR into (yeah, if you didn't know US had a hand in it, then now you do). British did the same to almost all the countries over the world.

The secret lies in indentifying groups and factions which are against the ruling power. There exists no country in the world which doesn't have these. You have identify these, make them realise how oppressed they are, and then help them go agaisnt their own rulers. If executed properly, it brings guaranteed results.

I am sure our intelligence experts can do this a lot better than the pakis. Viking, you might think this is not possible, but I guess that's one of the reasons why you aren't exactly getting flooded by job offer letters from the RAW and the CBI

War is bad for India. Pakistan has nothing to lose. It has no economy, no industries, and it's already sinking into deep shit.

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The secret lies in indentifying groups and factions which are against the ruling power. There exists no country in the world which doesn't have these. You have identify these, make them realise how oppressed they are, and then help them go agaisnt their own rulers. If executed properly, it brings guaranteed results.

I am sure our intelligence experts can do this a lot better than the pakis. Viking, you might think this is not possible, but I guess that's one of the reasons why you aren't exactly getting flooded by job offer letters from the RAW and the CBI
Maybe you are right on this one Biggo!!!..

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We unfortunately do not have a large Pakistan based India sympathetic population so strategecally it will be difficult to start a proxy war there unlike Pakistan.

For eaxmple Prof Gillani(An educated Delhi university Muslim) could be so instrumental in masterminding the attack on Parliament. Not to forget Mohammad Afroze who operated from India.

Neither do we have our 'Tiger memons' or 'Dawood Ibrahims' who will use all their resources to kill Pakistanis.

Neither do we have a pro Indian population along Pakistan's coastlines who could help us offload RDX or some such explosive materials.

The only option is an all out war for India, as doing what Pakistan does could easily earn us the label of being a terrorist nation apart from losing the high moral ground that we have today.
Well said viking.

I think it is not right for India to indulge in any terrorist activities in Pak for it will undermine India's diplomatic efforts.

Plus, there are very few hindus in Pakistan but more muslims in India than in the entire Pak. So, it is easy for Pak to sponsor terrorism through them, while India has no loyal people in Pak.

In another post, US is being blamed for the breakup of USSR. While there could be several urban legends pointing in this direction, the breakup of USSR, unification of Germany and the end of cold war happened because of the cripling Soviet economy. Remember Gorbachev and his Perestoika and Glasnost?
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Well said viking.

I think it is not right for India to indulge in any terrorist activities in Pak for it will undermine India's diplomatic efforts.

Plus, there are very few hindus in Pakistan but more muslims in India than in the entire Pak. So, it is easy for Pak to sponsor terrorism through them, while India has no loyal people in Pak.

In another post, US is being blamed for the breakup of USSR. While there could be several urban legends pointing in this direction, the breakup of USSR, unification of Germany and the end of cold war happened because of the cripling Soviet economy. Remember Gorbachev and his Perestoika and Glasnost?
Hmmm... well I was not all that wrong afterall.!!
Yeah the USSR fell due to it's own weight. Right on buddy!!!

eNRI thanx buddy!
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“An offensive action, on our part, will unite the forces, which will not work to our advantage,” said the General, who was in favour of the Army crossing the Line of Control during the Kargil operations two years ago.
Even at that time had we listened top this person we would not have had the 'praise' from the world that we had for showing restraint.

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Exclamation Hit while the Iron is hot

A full scale war with Pakistan will ruffle America's feathers more than anyone elses. The Nuclear concious America will have to step in to sabotage any Nuclear weapon attack from Pakistan.

The only thing India should be cautious about is that the attack should happen when they are least expecting it. Going to war over the parliament attack would definately find Pakistan waiting daggers drawn. It should be fast lethal and decisive with an element of surprise.

A proxy war would drain India's resources endlessly and we would go down the same way Pakistan is going. On the contrary an all out war would atleast set us a target as to how much we have lost and how much we should make up.

India today does have $45 Billion as forein exchange as opposed to Pakistan's $1.5 Billion.

This is the chance India has before Pakistan stabilises itself with the new American aid.
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Question Can we afford the war?

The question is can we affor the war?

Are we in a position to start a war and be ready to face the casualties of war like maybe a nuclear strike by Pakistan???
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I think it is not right for India to indulge in any terrorist activities in Pak for it will undermine India's diplomatic efforts.

Pak has been doing the same for years. How much has it damaged the diplomatic efforts of Pak? In fact, it is a favorite testicle of US, inspite of all that has gone on.
Today, US knows exactly who is responsible for the attacks on the parliament. And so does every country in the west. Is anyone actually condemning Pakistan?


Plus, there are very few hindus in Pakistan but more muslims in India than in the entire Pak. So, it is easy for Pak to sponsor terrorism through them, while India has no loyal people in Pak.


*sigh*...Do i have to repeat myself once again? In India, Pak might be playing the hindu muslim card, cos these are the two factions that can be set against one another. In pakistan there are others. We have the Muhajir QM. We have Sindhis. We have baluchis. We have Shias. We have that other sect of Ahmediyas (i forgot the name) who rule the financial circle. If India wants to play the same game, it can do so wonderfully.


In another post, US is being blamed for the breakup of USSR. While there could be several urban legends pointing in this direction,
Anyone but the US, eh?? You'll believe in all the reasons except in the fact that US was responsible. Why are you such an a$s-licker?
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The question is can we affor the war?

Are we in a position to start a war and be ready to face the casualties of war like maybe a nuclear strike by Pakistan???
NO. We Can't. Neither can they. But they don't care, cos war or no war, they are going down the drain. While we are progressing. We are going up. No point in going down with them.
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Anyone but the US, eh?? You'll believe in all the reasons except in the fact that US was responsible. Why are you such an a$s-licker?
Bad language is not necessary, just because I don't buy your story.
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oh oh...playing the smooth, suave, no-dirty-talk kind, eh? You cheeky motherf*cker!!!

But honestly, please tell me. Why are you so patriotic towards the US? Even the citizens of this country question the policies of the government, but you will lick their $hit if they tell you it's jello. So, what's the reason? Are all your posts getting monitored by the INS?
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