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Old June 14th, 2009, 10:18 PM
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Question Would the world be better off without immigration?

Recently we are reading about racist attacks on Indians in Australia and Canada. Then we read about problems in UK due to migrated Muslims. California has problems due to illegal immigrants from Mexico. Today, in many parts of the world there are problems between natives and immigrants.

I have a different question to ask. Suppose that every country decides that beginning January 1, 2010, there will be no more immigration. End of immigration as we know it. Business and tourist visas okay, but NO immigration, no Green Card, no Permanent Resident card, no naturalization, no nothing!!

What do you think will happen in a few years time?
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Old June 14th, 2009, 10:49 PM
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

Then the govts will have to put electronic tags on people with business and visitor visa to check if they leave the country on time
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

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Then the govts will have to put electronic tags on people with business and visitor visa to check if they leave the country on time
Assume that there is a 100% perfect system to ensure that folks on tourist and business visas do leave the country at the end of their visas. Assume there is a perfect system in force to ensure that no one overstays and no one immigrates.

Then what will happen in the next few years after Jan 1st 2010?
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Old June 14th, 2009, 11:15 PM
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

Then people will find other ways to stay in the desired contry of their choice.
In a way it is not possible to stop migration completely.
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

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Then people will find other ways to stay in the desired contry of their choice.
In a way it is not possible to stop migration completely.
arey swami bhau, I want to discuss the situation if immigration is stopped. I told you to assume that there was no way for anyone to overstay their visa. Dont think of technical aspects of this. Can you think of what will happen if immigration is stopped completely?
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

Good topic ...

Without immigration, I see history repeating itself .. ethnic cleansing, tribe consolidation, egoistic nationalism similar to what Hitler did by saying they are the only true race and you know what happened ...

Migration ensures that the population is always in constant flux ... Different possibilities exist more with regard to promoting diversity rather than segregation by way of ethnicity ..
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arey swami bhau, I want to discuss the situation if immigration is stopped. I told you to assume that there was no way for anyone to overstay their visa. Dont think of technical aspects of this. Can you think of what will happen if immigration is stopped completely?
People with business visa will complete thier 6months period and time frame for visitor visa will be utilised completely,containers will be fully loaded with people wanting to move to their contry of choice
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

A diverse population cannot be controlled by a dictatorial regime ... Communism is definetly not possible in a diverse population ... With population having no diversity, such as China, there is no other way to divert the mind of the population from the division that exists due to poverty and hunger ... Such a population finds the Utopian idea of communism very appealing ... Hence they are easily gullible to be fooled under the same utopian idea that someday everyone will be equal ...
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People with business visa will complete thier 6months period and time frame for visitor visa will be utilised completely,containers will be fully loaded with people wanting to move to their contry of choice
Okay now you sort of get what I want to discuss.

Taking it further. Suppose this stop on immigration is complete. Now even if an Indian is settled in USA before the ban, he cannot get anyone from India by way of marriage. So he is forced to marry some other Indian in the US or some other ethnicity who is already settled in the US.

What do you think will happen to the indiegnous races within a short time span, of say 20 years?
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A diverse population cannot be controlled by a dictatorial regime ... Communism is definetly not possible in a diverse population ... With population having no diversity, such as China, there is no other way to divert the mind of the population from the division that exists due to poverty and hunger ... Such a population finds the Utopian idea of communism very appealing ... Hence they are easily gullible to be fooled under the same utopian idea that someday everyone will be equal ...
landya, we are not talking of Hitler type situation. All I am asking you to suppose is that the world is going on as is, but just that no permanent settlement in any other country. You can visit on business and tourism. But no green card or naturalisation.
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Okay now you sort of get what I want to discuss.

Taking it further. Suppose this stop on immigration is complete. Now even if an Indian is settled in USA before the ban, he cannot get anyone from India by way of marriage. So he is forced to marry some other Indian in the US or some other ethnicity who is already settled in the US.

What do you think will happen to the indiegnous races within a short time span, of say 20 years?
Then we would have some more races like Parsis
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

BhaYa ... what do you expect to happen? Nothing will happen. Immigration is because there is a choice. Take away the choice and migration will stop but life will go on.

I like the idea ... bloody sick and tired of nephews and nieces you never heard of wanting you to sponsor them. Say yes and you just turned your home into a permanent residency hotel. Say no and bastards will not even greet you next time you visit home.

Ban the immigration.
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Re: Would the world be better off without immigration?

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Recently we are reading about racist attacks on Indians in Australia and Canada. Then we read about problems in UK due to migrated Muslims. California has problems due to illegal immigrants from Mexico. Today, in many parts of the world there are problems between natives and immigrants.

I have a different question to ask. Suppose that every country decides that beginning January 1, 2010, there will be no more immigration. End of immigration as we know it. Business and tourist visas okay, but NO immigration, no Green Card, no Permanent Resident card, no naturalization, no nothing!!

What do you think will happen in a few years time?
1)It would be difficult for Indians to put up their pics in 'phoreign' on their Orkut profiles.

2)Indian parents will not be able to proudly say that their kids are settled 'abroad' to their neighbours.

3)Indians settled abroad will not be able to fake how much better their lifestyle is abroad and induce a sense of pity into people who've chosen to stay on in India.

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A diverse population cannot be controlled by a dictatorial regime ... Communism is definetly not possible in a diverse population ... With population having no diversity, such as China, there is no other way to divert the mind of the population from the division that exists due to poverty and hunger ... Such a population finds the Utopian idea of communism very appealing ... Hence they are easily gullible to be fooled under the same utopian idea that someday everyone will be equal ...
Maybe all Chinese look the same to you....Chinese population is not as diverse as India but is diverse with Tibet, Xinkiang, Manchuria etc. It is to be noted that the world's tallest man is chinese and most likely the world's shortest is also chinese

There are riots in China too....just that they are not as widely publicised due to strict media control by govt...As we have Kashmir, Chinese have Xinkiang on their hands...the difference is that Hindu Pandits have to flee valley in India whereas Han Chinese are systematically planted in China to push/flush out Uighurs gradually
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Recently we are reading about racist attacks on Indians in Australia and Canada. Then we read about problems in UK due to migrated Muslims. California has problems due to illegal immigrants from Mexico. Today, in many parts of the world there are problems between natives and immigrants.

I have a different question to ask. Suppose that every country decides that beginning January 1, 2010, there will be no more immigration. End of immigration as we know it. Business and tourist visas okay, but NO immigration, no Green Card, no Permanent Resident card, no naturalization, no nothing!!

What do you think will happen in a few years time?
1) Prices in some parts of the world will shoot up due to lack of cheap illegal labor, and shortage of resources in emigration heavy countries will give rise to political instability in that region....for example, Mexico

2) Eventually, there will be work visas with guest workers tagged with subcutaneously injected RFID dog tags.

3) Birth rate in immigration popular countries will continue to drop and birth rate in emigration popular countries will continue to steadily increase. After a quarter or half century, the immigration popular countries will be overrun by emigration popular countries...unless of course immigration popular countries take measures to control the population of emigration heavy countries.

4) Regardless of how you look at it, the future citizens of this world will have a tan complexion with highly homogeneous racial features
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