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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

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Here is the calculation according to vedas which may indirectly mean that biological clock differs in space.


Age of Universe according to Vedas

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All this is very good. But other than saying that you are very good in math and at calculating humongously large numbers, what practical value is this knowledge Can any of these calculations be used for the betterment of humans... and more specifically Indians
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Till date we are aware of light as the fastest,maybe there is something faster then light and if we find it the whole theory of relativity would change.
Again,the Theory of Relativity may work only in our galaxy other galaxies may or surely have a different set of physics where our physics may be too primitive for them or the laws wont work there at all.
We already know of two instances of events which happened at speeds far exceeding the speed of light.

The first instance is the cosmic inflation that the universe underwent immediately after the event called the Big Bang.

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In physical cosmology the inflationary epoch was the period in the evolution of the early universe when, according to inflation theory, the universe underwent an extremely rapid exponential expansion. This rapid expansion increased the linear dimensions of the early universe by a factor of at least 10^26 (and possibly a much larger factor), and so increased its volume by a factor of at least 10^78.

The second is the metric expansion of the universe which is happening at the moment as we speak. While relativity stipulates that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light when the objects involved are bound in the relativistic sense, there is a special exemption for objects which are not bound in any sense in terms of gravity or electromagnetic radiation. So galaxies outside a certain distance from Earth are moving away from us at speeds faster than the speed of light and so light from such regions can never reach us ever. This distance called the Cosmological Horizon extends to a size of roughly 14 billion light years in radius from Earth. So there are galaxies more than 14 billion light years away from Earth which are moving away from us at speeds faster than the speed of light. This is happening because the very fabric of space between us and those galaxies is getting stretched out and thus distances expanded.

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For example, galaxies that are more than the Hubble radius, approximately 4.5 gigaparsecs or 14.7 billion light-years, away from us have a recession speed that is faster than the speed of light. Visibility of these objects depends on the exact expansion history of the universe. Light that is emitted today from galaxies beyond the cosmological event horizon, about 5 gigaparsecs or 16 billion light-years, will never reach us, although we can still see the light that these galaxies emitted in the past.

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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

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Here is the calculation according to vedas which may indirectly mean that biological clock differs in space.


Age of Universe according to Vedas


I wrote this article long back so putting it here without much modifications. It talks about the current age (and total age) of universe as described by Vedas (sacred books of Hinduism). According to modern science, there are two theories:
a. The Steady State theory, which says the universe is never born, never dies, and is always like what it is.
b. The Big bang theory, which says the universe began with a point of energy exploding in a "big-bang".

Since the universe is expanding and evolving, 1st theory is not 100% correct automatically. Big Bang theory says that the current age of universe is 11-20 billion years. But according to new observations, i.e. clusters of galaxies, super-clusters, Great Wall (Tully's complexes), it is quite evident that our universe is much much older than that. Lots of cosmologist believe that big-bang theory is not correct although it is most widely accepted. In short, modern man is not aware of forces and science which are needed to expain the creation of universe.
Lets look at vedic science and what it says. Right now I am quoting only what it says:
a. Total age of universe is 311.04 trillion years (human years).
b. Current age is around 155.521972944 trillion years.

How it is calculated:
-> There are 4 ages on earth which keeps circulating:
Satya Yuga - 1.728 million years
Treta Yuga - 1.296 million years
Dwapara Yuga - 0.864 million years
Kali Yuga - 0.432 million years

Total: 4.32 million human years.

-> This yuga cycle is called maha (in english, it means great/big) or divya (divine) yuga. One thousand such cycles forms one day of Brahma (a demigod in hindu religion which governs the universe). So one day of Brahma is 4.32 million * 1000 = 4.32 billion human years. Each such day of Brahma is called a "kalpa". His night also constitutes 4.32 billion human years. During his day, life exists in universe. In nighttime, no form of life exists. So one complete day and night has 8.64 billion human years.

-> Age of Brahma is 100 years. Each year of Brahma has 360 days and same number of nights. Thus, total age of Brahma is 360 * 100 * 8.64 billion = 311,040 billion human years. i.e. 311.04 trillion years. This period is called "maha kalpa".
-> The life span of the universe is one "maha kalpa". i.e. 311.04 trillion human years. This time span is also the duration of one breath of "Vishnu" (the ultimate god in hindu religion). When he exhales, thousands of universes emerges and one "Brahma" is born in each universe. When "Vishnu" inhales, all universes get sucked and Brahma dies.
-> This cycle is non-ending and eternal. Thats why "Vishnu" is considered eternal in Vedic Science (or religion).
How much old is our universe:
-> Note that the period of Satya Yuga is 0.4x, Treta Yuga is 0.3x, Dwapara Yuga is 0.2x and Kali Yuga is 0.1x where x is the time-span of one maha-yuga cycle. I will use 'x' as 1 maha-yuga cycle subsequently.
-> In 1 day of Brahma, there are 14 "manvantara". Each "manvantara" is divided into 71 "maha-yuga" cycles. So total make 14*71 = 994x (mahayuga cycles).
-> Remaining cycles (1 day of Brahma contains 1000 maha-yuga cycles) are used to fill gaps between manvantara. Before and after each manvantara (called as "sandhya" and "sandhyamsa" respectively), there is a junction of 1.728 million (age of Satya Yuga, or 0.4x) human years. Total number of junctions are 15 (since there are 14 manvantaras). So total gap period is = 0.4 * 15 = 6x. Hence total makes 1000 maha-yuga cycles or 1 brahma day.
-> According to the Vedic texts, current age of Brahma is 50 Brahma years and 1 brahma day (we are in the 1st day of 2nd half of brahma)and we are in the seventh "manvantara", in the 28th turnover of its 71 yuga cycles. In this cycle, we are in the start Kali Yuga. Age of kali yuga is not known perfectly but it is around 5000-10000 years. For calculation, lets assume 8000 human years.
-> So current age of our universe (in terms of maha-yuga cycles) =
(50 * 720 * 1000) -- 50 years * (360 days + 360 nights) * total no. of cycles in one day/night
+ (6 * 71) -- 6 manvantara each of 71 maha-yuga cycle
+ (7 * 0.4) -- 7 junctions or gaps for 6 manvantara
+ (27 * 1) -- we are in 28th cycle of 71
+ (0.4+0.3+0.2) -- In this cycle, we are in Kali Yuga. Satya Yuga, Treat Yuga and Dwapara yuga are 0.4x, 0.3x and 0.2x respectively.
+ around 8000 human years -- very small, so ignoring it.

Thus total age = (36,000,000 + 456.7)x = 36,000,456.7 * 4.32 million = 155,521,972.944 million years = 155.521972944 trillion human years. Now add the age of kaliyuga. i.e. around 8000 human years. One we calculate the exact age of kaliyuga, we can know the exact age of universe.
How ancient Indians (or Vedic people, more precisely) come up with these numbers, I dont have a clue.
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~goyal/age_of_universe.php

It is my own opinion that the age of the universe expressed in terms of human years is meaningless. The cosmic inflationary epoch as I have pointed out before might as well be an infinite amount of time in a mathematical sense. So the universe might be infinitely old rather than 15 billion years as its age is conventionally addressed in the common knowledge. Our Vedas might have been right all along. Of course all this is in my opinion. But anyone is welcome to argue with me if they do desire, it will be fun!
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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

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Multiverse in Hinduism[edit]
The concept of multiverses is mentioned many times in Hindu Puranic literature, such as in the Bhagavata Purana (400–1000 CE):
Every universe is covered by seven layers — earth, water, fire, air, sky, the total energy and false ego — each ten times greater than the previous one. There are innumerable universes besides this one, and although they are unlimitedly large, they move about like atoms in You. Therefore You are called unlimited (Bhagavata Purana 6.16.37)
After separating the different universes, the gigantic universal form of the Lord, which came out of the causal ocean, the place of appearance for the first puruṣa-avatāra, entered into each of the separate universes, desiring to lie on the created transcendental water (Bhagavata Purana 2.10.10)
The number of universes seems to be uncountable, immeasurable, or incalculable according to the Puranic literature:
Even though over a period of time I might count all the atoms of the universe, I could not count all of My opulences which I manifest within innumerable universes (Bhagavata Purana 11.16.39)
Analogies to describe multiple universes also exist in the Puranic literature:
What am I, a small creature measuring seven spans of my own hand? I am enclosed in a potlike universe composed of material nature, the total material energy, false ego, ether, air, water and earth. And what is Your glory? Unlimited universes pass through the pores of Your body just as particles of dust pass through the openings of a screened window (Bhagavata Purana 10.14.11)
Because You are unlimited, neither the lords of heaven nor even You Yourself can ever reach the end of Your glories. The countless universes, each enveloped in its shell, are compelled by the wheel of time to wander within You, like particles of dust blowing about in the sky. The śrutis, following their method of eliminating everything separate from the Supreme, become successful by revealing You as their final conclusion (Bhagavata Purana 10.87.41)
The layers or elements covering the universes are each ten times thicker than the one before, and all the universes clustered together appear like atoms in a huge combination (Bhagavata Purana 3.11.41)
Yoga Vashishtha, the text which states conversations between Vashistha, a rig vedic teacher, and various Gods and Kakbhusundi, a creature which stands outside of normal time and sees all. It recounts the cyclical nature of time, where Kakabhushundi has seen Ramayan 11 times with different outcomes and seen Mahabharat 16 times with different results, but, after seeing Daksha Yagya twice, he did not either care to see it again or saw no point to seeing any more, as it ended the same way each time.
Dear Swamiji, kindly research these puranas and see if they correspond to what is claimed above in the wiki article.
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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

There was an article claiming to suggest that ageing does slow down in space.

Living in space appears to reverse key ageing processes, study finds

Researchers caution the unexpected effect could simply be the result of astronaut Scott Kelly exercising more and eating less while living in the Space Station

An astronaut who spent nearly a year in the International Space Station experienced changes to his body which appeared to reverse one of the key ageing processes, according to new research.

Scott Kelly, who has an identical twin who is a retired astronaut, spent 340 days on the space station in 2015 and 2016.

Scientists used the opportunity to monitor changes in Mr Kelly’s body while he was in space compared to those experienced by his brother Mark.

What they found was surprise.

The secret of eternal youth: skin-tight Lycra and a bicycle
​Telomeres, which are involved in the repair of damaged DNA, fluctuate in length but gradually get shorter as people get older, decreasing their effectiveness and increasing the risk of cancer.

But those in Mr Kelly’s white blood cells seem to have got longer than his brother’s while he was living in the Space Station.

“That is exactly the opposite of what we thought,” radiation biologist Susan Bailey told Nature.

The extra radiation that astronauts are exposed to in space was expected to have led to shortening of the telomeres.

The scientists were so surprised that they had sent the samples to another laboratory to double check the results.

A study involving 10 astronauts is now underway in an attempt to work out what happened.

It might have nothing to do with life in space.

An article about the ongoing research into the effects of space on Mr Kelly’s body posted on Nasa’s website said it “could be linked to increased exercise and reduced calorie intake during the mission”.

“However, upon his return to Earth they began to shorten again,” the article said.

“Interestingly, telomerase activity (the enzyme that repairs the telomeres and lengthens them) increased in both twins in November, which may be related to a significant, stressful family event happening around that time.”

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If a person is on a liquid food ( half-comma - kind of life ) , less exposure to corrupted food, water, pollution, or breathing foul air, and also refrained from doing any labor work which perhaps may kill and generate many many thousands of cells in the body during a day,.. then naturally the body-cell takes the course of sleeping and going in a comma ( like, all Bugs and insects, Rabbits in the USA do during hard winter, or….look at our Jogis and Yogis, who were doing Yoga, Tapo-sadhna,..,.. going into a meditation and get used to with their body been habituated without food and water and thus living a way more than hundred+ years ) . a prefect example of the case – P_Jani ( Prahlaad Jani ) … etc etc

And if so, then naturally the space human animals perhaps may live little more on that basis, But I do not see any other magic than that,….. that, they live magically longer in the space,.. rather there had news once, that many astronauts died of cancer at early age mysteriously,…

If someone thinks, that the earth gravity affects the blood circulation and hence in olden age, due to lack of strength of pumping power, he dies earlier,… I had said,… in Shira and Dhamni, ( rakt-vahini ) .. the blood circulates both the way,.. ( up and down ) to and fro from the heart,.. so in other way, it can also rather positively help due to the gravity,… also the heart is at the most, only 4 feet away at the most from the body’s farthest skin, bones, tissues n’ organs,..

Also no science has yet proved that the taller people die earlier ( due to heart’s more works to supply the blood to the farthest distances,.. Nor the larger and giant animals, in which case also, their heart needs more pumping work, to the farthest organs, ( sometime against the gravity ) always die earlier,…. For example an elephant also has a normal life span of 60-70 years, just like us human and few whales tribes also live 50-70-110 years,..very easily.

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Dear Swamiji, kindly research these puranas and see if they correspond to what is claimed above in the wiki article.
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Multiverse in Hinduism[edit]
The concept of multiverses is mentioned many times in Hindu Puranic literature,
such as in the Bhagavata Purana (400–1000 CE):
Every universe is covered by seven layers — earth, water, fire, air, sky, the total energy and false ego — 37)
The part I do not understand, is..
Let say for a while,.. if there is multiverses and that same plate in parallel layers,.. and one plate, after certain linear travel, bends, takes a u-turn and floating on the other,...
And, let say for a while that the worm-hole theory is correct ,.... and one can ,... make a worm-hole, to enter directly into the second plate without traveling in the existing plate, flow,... ( picture in my next post )

But,, my question is,..
Let say, Mr A and Mr B, wants to reach at a certain destination,..
Mr. A take the regular and longer path,....
Mr. B finds some short cuts / cutting the corners... and reaches there, earlier,...


Now, Mr B who reached there at 1.00 PM,.. and Mr A came later at 10.00 PM,... but still they both see each other at 10.00 PM, nonetheless,.. No ?
So, how it could be that,..." Mr B be younger and since Mr. A who comes later is more older in age, now ??

[ refer to my below post and,...... explain this fictious, film-story, dreamy time-travel ! ]

IMO, if the universe is really like that, only advantage could be,... after,.. many Lakhs of years later,... if we master the space-travel,.. if we can catch, an another solar system / planet-community by short-cutting thro', worm-hole way,... we can reach to a community who have lived millions of years more than us, and hence 1000s of time technically advanced than us,.. ( like, Star-wars movies ( fifth Element ) dream-fills us with flying cars ) !! But, before we reach their physically,..... the sound , light and communication will reach there earlier,..... !! for example,.. today we still have not put any man on Mars or Venus, and still we have explored them,...

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Eisenstein was Eisenstein, no doubt. da unmatchable - da unbeatable !! - Lakhon mein Ek - Naa bhootho, Na bhavishyanti .

What he said, he said,.... maano, paththar pe Lakeer.

He'd said about these 100+ yrs ago, about this possible waves of gravity, ( just like Light and water-waves ) and that's how it exists.....n'? now we see it.

He said :: Nthg in this universe can travel at the speed, faster than the light.

Recently,....Those gandoos n' halel-tappu Sweden/Geneva scientists had just challenged him and said,.. Yo ! U R dead and dead wrong, Mr. : we've found smthg which does,
and later had to apologize, for having error in their calculation. Lol.

I only hope, if smthg that he had said about the parallel universe, time-travel, and terrain of plates of expanding universe
and hence, then same plates by taking a U turn is coming on top/bottom of each other...
and if smthg like this now if proves, that will be phenomenal.

Worm-hole theory n' movie scenes Time-travel will explore new horizons..in reality !!

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I was watching Interstellar and came up on the concept where time 1 hour on a different plant will equal 7 years on earth. Is that purely science fiction or is there any truth to it?
is time relative? So confused!
Yup time is relative, gravity slows time, stronger the gravity more it slows the time, But interstellar was complete BS movie. Anything that close to blackhole that it's slows time to that proportion is doomed.

Black holes have most densely packed material known to us, Just to give you how dense it is, Take our earth keep compressing it until its only 2 inch in diameter But has same mass, That's matter in black hole. So it packs immense amount of matter in smallest possible space. It's gravity is next to none in known universe. If you want to escape gravity of anything, You need to reach escape velocity (certain speed) to do so, it would vary based upon many factors like mass, density etc, Now black hole's gravity is so damn powerful that even speed of light (300,000 KM/sec) would fall short for escaping from black hole's gravity once anything is in event horizon (No clear area, rather a point of no return, even speed of light won't help beyond event horizon).

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Yup time is relative, gravity slows time, stronger the gravity more it slows the time,
Failed to understand this part.

Let say Mercury revolves 4.15 times the sun, while our Earth revolves only one turn.
So, a person living there,… revolves 4.15 times while earth person only once. ( of course you can see, any Mercury living person lives a normal life-span of 325 years ) But still the time-duration spent for both is the same.

They both got equally older, no ?

US dollar can buy an apple with its only 20 cents,
but India has more inflation and price-sises so you can buy it only for 13 Rs. But still, the labor and effort to earn/save/spend that 20 cents or 13 Rs costs you almost the same.


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Failed to understand this part.

Let say Mercury revolves 4.15 times the sun, while Earth revolves only one turn.
So a person living there,… revolves 4.15 times while earth person only once. But still the time-duration spent for both is the same.

They both got equally older , no ?

US dollar can buy an apple with its only 20 cents, but India has more inflation and price-sises so you can buy it only for 13 Rs. But still the labor and effort to earn/save/spend that 20 cents or 13 Rs costs you almost same.
Day-night, fortnight, lunar month and solar year are all man made units of time, which are relevant in Earth's context based upon movement of Son and moon. Earth rotate on it's axis in 24 hours, Side which faces son has day and side which is opposite to sun has night, that's how our day if formed. Moon takes about 30 days to complete a full circle around earth, here is our month and we complete a circle of our star in about 365 days, Here is our year.

Mercury revolves at it's axis very slowly, each rotation taking about 59 Earth days (Mercury Day) But it completes it's orbit around sun just in 88 days (mercury year)

But it's different from kind of gravity we are talking about, Gravity slows time But nothing other than Black hole has that kind of gravity (May be neutron star a bit). But it happens everywhere in negligible amount, For earth it's like one second difference in 70 years, depending upon whether you are on earth's surface or 15,000 KM above earth's surface.

Everything which has mass, bends time and space, including us.

It's futile to estimate what human life would be on other planets, we are made according to earth. If humans want to live anywhere outside earth (i.e. Space station), they need to create conditions identical to earth and yet we can't cover everything. Remember Once I said, Since big bang to this day when an intelligent species on a rocky planet are talking about it is like having 53 aces in a pack of cards.
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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

So basically you are talking about the gravity waves and I guess the Earth’s ( by its mass ) affects the moon by its giant Gravity,… also travels in waves, and when any objects comes in these waves…. perhaps the object changes / bend the angle, travel, flow-parameters of time and space,..

Like Einstein said long ago,… that Gravity must also be traveling in waves ( e.g. in any clear, silent pond you drop a big rock, 500 feet away from the shore those effected water-waves will heat the shore after certain time )

Recently wee a giant news that far away,.. two black holes had collided and the effect of that giant gravity waves also recently had passed by the earth and Earth experienced it,….. when few distances were also measured different than what they should be,..
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Re: Do biological clocks slow down on other planets?

Two Black holes Merging and Gravitational Waves,.....











http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/11/466286219/in-milestone-scientists-detect-waves-in-space-time-as-black-holes-collide
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