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Old September 16th, 2008, 02:30 PM
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But yaar ethics and imandari bhi kutch cheese hai .
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

Ek bohot simple filter hai bhai. Learnt the hard way. Look at their education (and if not there, ask them), what the degree is and where its from. Only hire people who have an engineering degree from a reputable engineering college - IIT's, REC's etc. Dont even bother with people from Osmania university and Kakatiya university. Same thing with NIIT and NCERT and all that other computer diploma stuff. Also ask them for a copy of their 12th standard marksheet. That way you can eliminate those who got in through SC/ST quotas. Any college that requires a national entrance exam ig always good.

If they were smart enough to get into a reputed engineering school, they will be smart enough to learn what you need them to do, even if they dont have all the relevant experience.

Trust me, this has worked wonders. I know we probably eliminate some good candidates using this process, but its much less of a gamble.
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

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I swear , I not making this up. As regards other comments about doing face to face. Yaar I am a very small pm with small budget. I know resume fudging is done but I was very flexible with skills requirements. I needed a financial erp developer. But banda switch karna ? and that guy expecting that since I am Indian , I will have no responsibilty towards my employer ? ( He did not know that I am " Yankee" )
But yaar ethics and imandari bhi kutch cheese hai .
You should have recorded all these crap since you already had doubts, and get his company in trouble.
Fukkin ppl like these should be kicked back out to AP.
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Ek bohot simple filter hai bhai. Learnt the hard way. Look at their education (and if not there, ask them), what the degree is and where its from. Only hire people who have an engineering degree from a reputable engineering college - IIT's, REC's etc. Dont even bother with people from Osmania university and Kakatiya university. Same thing with NIIT and NCERT and all that other computer diploma stuff. Also ask them for a copy of their 12th standard marksheet. That way you can eliminate those who got in through SC/ST quotas. Any college that requires a national entrance exam ig always good.

If they were smart enough to get into a reputed engineering school, they will be smart enough to learn what you need them to do, even if they dont have all the relevant experience.

Trust me, this has worked wonders. I know we probably eliminate some good candidates using this process, but its much less of a gamble.

I beg to disagree on this. Being from IIT or a REC's doesnt mean that you are know it all person. I have seen ppl from many other colleges who really are more erudite as compared to guys from IIT/REC.
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I beg to disagree on this. Being from IIT or a REC's doesnt mean that you are know it all person. I have seen ppl from many other colleges who really are more erudite as compared to guys from IIT/REC.
and I back this statement, insitute matters but not always.
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I beg to disagree on this. Being from IIT or a REC's doesnt mean that you are know it all person. I have seen ppl from many other colleges who really are more erudite as compared to guys from IIT/REC.
Pata tha - kisi ke gaand mein mirchi lagegi. Did you read the last line of the post? I know we eliminate some potentially good candidates using this process. I never said that good candidates can only come from IIT etc. I said that the risk of a bad candidate is lower from these colleges. If you cant understand that concept ..... you kinda make my point!
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

Crazy Shit man !!!!
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

Ya they give me someone elses degree and someone else turns up.
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

ek baat tow maanna padega boss! Bande ke guts dekho! Kuch nahi aata jaata phir bhi uth ke chala aaya. Saala apun tow pachees baar sochega aisa karne se pahle aur agar pakda gaya tow seedha suicide...

It's amazing that people actually do that. I have had two cases in the past month where our clients have hired someone on the phone and later fired them citing the very same reasons! Earlier I used to think they are just making up excuses because of budget cuts but the more i hear about such incidents, more I am convinced about this possibility.
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Ek bohot simple filter hai bhai. Learnt the hard way. Look at their education (and if not there, ask them), what the degree is and where its from. Only hire people who have an engineering degree from a reputable engineering college - IIT's, REC's etc. Dont even bother with people from Osmania university and Kakatiya university. Same thing with NIIT and NCERT and all that other computer diploma stuff. Also ask them for a copy of their 12th standard marksheet. That way you can eliminate those who got in through SC/ST quotas. Any college that requires a national entrance exam ig always good.

If they were smart enough to get into a reputed engineering school, they will be smart enough to learn what you need them to do, even if they dont have all the relevant experience.

Trust me, this has worked wonders. I know we probably eliminate some good candidates using this process, but its much less of a gamble.
smelly, I have seen people faking that they are from IIT when they are not, the problem here is not about who is better. The problem here is with FAKE EXPERIENCE, the only way to take off the fake guys would be to check their DOB(either passport or 10th certificate or a copy of thier US visa) and calculate if they can have the years of experience mentioned that they say they have.

Dirty, one way to easily weed out these kind of resumes would be to have references along with the resumes and do inform your vendors that you would not even have a look at the resumes without references(must with a corporate e-mail ID's and should be a GORA reference)
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Re: Why I Hate Gultis - Reddy's

Dirty pai... where did you find Ram Reddy in the first place? Did he apply for the job that you published? Was he referred by some agency? Let's see if we can find out more about these crooks especially if they represent some company.
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Ya they give me someone elses degree and someone else turns up.
Normally my clients inform me that on the day the consultant joins the client he is supposed to bring in 2 forms of ID, now that you also want to make sure that the degree is genuine, you could ask him to bring the original of the same along with him on the joining date.
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You should have recorded all these crap since you already had doubts, and get his company in trouble.
Fukkin ppl like these should be kicked back out to AP.
Amtha the problem is the with the people not wanting to waste time chasing these sort of people.
When i work on master agreement before getting these guys on board with the client, I make sure i add a clause which specifically mentions that all the information including resumes are correct and any error in any of the information provided would be a breach of the agreement(in which case they are liable for any damages to our company's reputation/clients property).
Once we wanted to take a consulting firm for doing the same to us, the client(a NY state dept which we had done quite an amount of business with) was pi$$ed off and after that we did not get any business from them, our lawyer advised against going after these guys(saying we would not make much money and that it would be waste of time/money)
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smelly, I have seen people faking that they are from IIT when they are not, the problem here is not about who is better. The problem here is with FAKE EXPERIENCE, the only way to take off the fake guys would be to check their DOB(either passport or 10th certificate or a copy of thier US visa) and calculate if they can have the years of experience mentioned that they say they have.

Dirty, one way to easily weed out these kind of resumes would be to have references along with the resumes and do inform your vendors that you would not even have a look at the resumes without references(must with a corporate e-mail ID's and should be a GORA reference)


Yeah, But how will you prove if he do not fake the length of experience, but just the experience.

And I beg to differ on "references". These days all major companies do not ask for references. All they do is verify the employment. Because reference can become a weapon of either a lawsuit or murder.

Say a candidate is smart but did not had good terms with previous boss and that boss gives shitty reference, and do not get the job. He might do "Postal thing". And if he is dumb-ass but good ass kisser and boss gives good reference then he ends up being fired.

I would never give professional reference, unless I very well know that person ONLY.
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Pata tha - kisi ke gaand mein mirchi lagegi. Did you read the last line of the post? I know we eliminate some potentially good candidates using this process. I never said that good candidates can only come from IIT etc. I said that the risk of a bad candidate is lower from these colleges. If you cant understand that concept ..... you kinda make my point!
Take it easy bud, I was just making a point and the key word here is 'probably'. The bolded part, I used to think the same but not anymore. And as far as Mirchi is concerned, you tell me you have a smelly finger
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