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Old January 26th, 2019, 08:32 AM
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Ashdoc's movie review---Thackeray ( Hindi version )



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Balasaheb Thackeray ( Bal Keshav Thackeray ) is a personality for whom Mumbaikar Marathis have a special place in the heart , and I being a Mumbaikar Marathi feel the same . Where would the Mumbaikar Marathis be without the Thackerays….? Balasaheb's father Prabodankar Thackeray was prominent in the samyukta Maharashtra ( united Maharashtra ) movement that brought Bombay into Maharashtra , and Balasaheb changed the city's name to Mumbai...need I say more ?

The movie begins with Balasaheb working for Free press journal as cartoonist , but he is made to realise by his fellow Marathi colleague that other than them no one else is Marathi in that office inspite of it being in the capital of Maharashtra . His attitude to express himself freely by cartoons is tried to be curbed by his boss but Balasaheb frees himself from the job in typical Thackeray style ; he presents a cartoon showing himself kicking his boss on the backside to his boss....

As Balasaheb roams the streets of Mumbai , he realises that everywhere the Marathi manoos is being squeezed out by non Marathis . He decides to start a magazine to bring the marathis together for getting their due rights in Mumbai , but money for that is found from a money lender only after some search because many do not believe that Balasaheb's magazine could work . However Balasaheb's fiery writings become popular among Mumbaikar Marathis and Balasaheb becomes well known .

Many Marathis begin to come to Balasaheb with their grievances and Balasaheb advocates the path of violent agitation to get them their jobs in places where he feels non marathis are unjustly grabbing them . He feels that if made aware of injustices incurred on them , the Marathi people are fighters and this fighting potential can be utilised to get them their rights . As his popularity grows , the time has come to start a proper organisation to fight for their demands . But his father says that it should not be called an organisation but rather a 'sena' ( army ) , and so is born the Shiv Sena in honour of Shivaji the legendary medieval Maratha warrior king .

The Shiv Sena's first targets are south Indians and Thackeray coins the slogan 'pungi bajao , lungi hatao' . Shiv Sena takes the path of violent agitation attacking south Indians . But Shiv Sena's real opponent is deputy PM Morarji Desai , the same person who had violently opposed his father's 'samyukta Maharashtra' agitation to bring Mumbai into Maharashtra earlier . One can say he is the villain of the movie if anybody is . He comes to Mumbai and orders his car to drive on Shiv sainiks protesting to bring Belgaum into Maharashtra from Karnataka , thus killing the Shiv sainiks . The incident turns Thackeray away from the path of peaceful negotiations , and anyone opposing intake of Marathis into jobs receives a slap on his face as the manager of Air India discovers on opposing him .

When Indira Gandhi imposes emergency on India , there is pressure on Thackeray to merge his party into Congress , but Thackeray refuses even though his party is likely to be banned . But Indira Gandhi comes to Mumbai and a meeting is arranged between them . Thackeray counters her charges of regionalism by saying that whenever he hails , he hails the nation first and his state only later by hailing 'Jai Hind !! Jai Maharashtra !!' His party is struck off the banning list .

But when Indira loses power , the winner of the election is his arch enemy Morarji Desai whose Janata party storms to power . Morarji encourages his party workers to throw stones on Sena Bhawan , the iconic headquarters of the Shiv Sena . But Thackeray is now aware of a new problem on the horizon . Muslim boys celebrate on Pakistan's victories in cricket matches and cricket is a game very close to Balasaheb's heart....he at first tries to build bridges with the muslim community by organising meetings in their mohallas , but the riots in Bhiwandi outside Mumbai convince him that these people are not ready to change their ways .

Balasaheb decides to turn to Hindu nationalism and coins the slogan 'garv sey kaho hum Hindu hai' ( say proudly that we are Hindus ) . When Pakistani cricketer Javed Miandad comes with Indian cricketer Dilip Vengsarkar to ask for cricketing ties to be restored between the two countries , Balasaheb rejects the idea saying he cannot forget the Indian soldiers dying on the border . His sainiks pour inflammables on the pitch of Wankhede stadium putting paid to any idea of India and Pakistan playing each other .

He proudly acknowledges in court that his boys had a hand destroying the babri masjid , telling the lawyer that hindus believe that Lord Ram was born in the same place which was desecrated by foreign invader Babar who was born in Uzbekistan . As muslims take revenge for this by burning Radhabai chawl in Mumbai , Shiv sainiks start a full scale riot . But the riot has been kind of sidelined in the movie , as the violence has been only hinted at by scenes of Shiv sainiks having police co operation in them being shown but the actual riot is not shown .

Retribution for the riots is taken by the muslim mafia by bomb blasts in Mumbai , and Thackeray's life is under threat . But he refuses to remain home under police protection and undertakes a whirlwind tour of Maharashtra , coming to power in the state in subsequent elections . The movie ends at this high point in Thackeray's political career .

The movie in undoubtedly dominated by Nawazuddin Siddiqui as Bal Thackeray , and the movie heavily depends on his splendid acting skills just like the Shiv Sena depended on Balasaheb . And he delivers with aplomb . His wife Meenatai Thackeray is played by Amrita Rao , and she brings out how Meenatai was so important in stabilizing Balasaheb's household by her serene acting . Rajesh Khera effectively brings out the contemptuous attitude of Morarji Desai by his performance .

Background music is good and effectively dramatic in intense situations Colours and photography are decent . Dialogues have been written well and their timing in the movie is good .

Verdict---Decent .

Three stars out of five .
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Didn’t specify if 80% social causes includes family business or not ..
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Didn’t specify if 80% social causes includes family business or not ..
I suppose Modi's murder of muslims in revenge for Godhra train coach burning is patriotism for you . but Shiv Sena attacking muslims for burning Radhabai chawl is 'gundagardi' .
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I suppose Modi's murder of muslims in revenge for Godhra train coach burning is patriotism for you . but Shiv Sena attacking muslims for burning Radhabai chawl is 'gundagardi' .
What kind of chewtiyagiri idiotry is this Shiv Sena and Bal Thackeray khula aam would claim anti-peacefulness and go about their duties. Even Atal Vajpayee was anti-peaceful. But give any single incident where Modi has ever said anything against peaceful people... just a single incident. His has always had his nation and its progress at his heart. Kuch bhi bolne ka kya

Even peacefuls have opened their eyes... and are now supporting Modi. But apna idiot non-peaceful log of India will always keep their eyes closed
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just a single incident. (
not a single incident can it be called . it was one of the biggest riots of post independence india .
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not a single incident can it be called . it was one of the biggest riots of post independence india .
Which one are you talking about? 91 bombay? Or 1984 sikh riots? Want me to open your closed eyes?
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not a single incident can it be called . it was one of the biggest riots of post independence india .
Nobody is claiming that there were no riots that happened in Gujurat. But it is total chewtiyagiri to blame Modi for it... especially when every team that investigated the riots proved that he was not involved... at least not for it... but was always against what happened and did his best to stop them and improve the situation.

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Which one are you talking about? 91 bombay? Or 1984 sikh riots? Want me to open your closed eyes?
This is the issue with the Modi-haters. They seem to suddenly start wearing blinders... and see no wrong in all that has been happening... right since the partition. And nothing wrong has happened in the last 1000 years... everything was progressive and harmonious... and then suddenly in 2002, Modi caused the Gujurat riots... and was actually walking the streets with sword in hand, instigating the slaughter of peacefuls. Chewtiya log.
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^^ the most f’ed up thing about 2002 Gujarat riots is .. the one-sided story that people claim. As if no Hindus died.. the ratio i believe was like 35:65 Hindus:Muslims killed in riots.

The biggest travesty is that nobody at all talks about the 59 Hindus that were lynched by burning alive in train bogie in Godhra.. never anybody laments about it. As if they were not humans only.
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Things I forgot to mention in my review are Sharad Pawar's friendship with Bal Thackeray on a personal level , as shown in the movie . Sharad Pawar regularly used to come to eat mutton prepared by Meenatai Thackeray . They used to discuss politics while Thackeray smoked pipe . Also Balasaheb drank beer and offered Javed Miandad a glass when he came to meet .

The movie also shows an attempt on Thackeray's life at Nagpur airport by a goon named Naidu , who is put to death by Shiv sainiks . A communist leader Krishna Desai who regularly oopposes Thackeray is murdered by Thackeray's men , though who ordered it is not shown....it is obvious .

Balasaheb loved cricket and many times broke the glass of windows of his own house , exasperating Meenatai who had to clean the broken glass pieces . This scene is juxtaposed with the scene of an awakened Marathi manoos throwing and breaking the glass of a shop that does not offer him a job , preferring non marathis instead .
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Probably the movie does not show that, but Bal Thackeray also told in one interview about his friendship with Dilip kumar and having beer and Chana with Dilip kumar. He says that there is still some Chana and beer for Dilip kumar at his home. This was probably after Some sainiks did a ‘nude protest’ outside Dilip Kumar’s house after he supported ‘Fire’
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Bal T was an unltra-conservative hypocrite.. all his thoughts appy to others not to him
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There is hypocrisy all over. For all his anti ROP talk, Subramaniam Swamy’s son in law is a peaceful guy and his daughter goes as ‘Suhasini Haider’.
Bala Saheb in 80s and later caught this nobody’s attention for-
- Speaking out against all things taught in Congress education- Secularism, Mahatma Gandhi and democracy too.
- oratory and Organisation. He sounded convincing when he spoke against existing politics (secularism, gandhiji, etc.). Plus built all those Shakha and ubiquitous blackboards with tiger photo.

Only, apart from a couple of leaders (including Suresh Prabhu now in BJP), it was essentially a goon party (so was congress and later SP, RJD,etc.). Plus he did not build a lasting organization like Hegedewarji did for RSS. Flag is the guru there, no person.
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^^ Subbu Swamy’s daughter marrying a muslim is not hypocrisy.. can’t believe you said that.
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well the movie had to be approved by ShivSena - what else can you expect but to end on a high note. It was after this state win that ShivSena started going down - slowly at first, finally culminating with the fight between brothers Uddhav and Raj and eventual splitting of Shivsena.
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I suppose Modi's murder of muslims in revenge for Godhra train coach burning is patriotism for you . but Shiv Sena attacking muslims for burning Radhabai chawl is 'gundagardi' .
Bhau, the biggest charge against Modi is that while people had come to expect efficiency from him, it still took quite a few muslim deaths before the riot could be brought under control. His was not the charge of instigating riots or supporting rioters.

OTOH Shivsena's problem was non-uniform response. They wouldnt/didnt shy away from voilence against even marathi manoos when it suited their purpose.
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