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U.S., keeping an eye on Pakistan, to draw down forces in Afghanistan

Drawing Down, With a Vigilant Eye on Pakistan

By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: June 22, 2011

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WASHINGTON ó Hours after the Sept. 11 attacks, Pakistanís leaders were given an ultimatum by the Bush administration: Because the looming war in Afghanistan could not be won without Pakistanís help, Islamabad would have to choose between continuing its alliance with the Taliban or joining forces with the United States.

Just shy of 10 years later, President Obamaís announcement on Wednesday night that he is beginning the long-anticipated withdrawal from Afghanistan marks another step in the gradual reversal of that calculus. Though the president could not say so directly, one of the constraints on Americaís retreat from a hard and bloody decade is the recognition that, more than ever, the United States will be relying on Afghanistanís help to deal with the threats emerging from Pakistan.

The administration argues that the killing of Osama bin Laden last month at his compound deep inside Pakistan, combined with scores of other counterterrorism strikes, have given it greater leeway to reduce its troop numbers in Afghanistan. Yet Pakistanís angry reaction to that raid also makes it more urgent than ever that the United States maintain sites outside the country to launch drone and commando raids against the militant networks that remain in Pakistan, and to make sure that Pakistanís fast-growing nuclear arsenal never falls into the wrong hands.

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I am not going to opine on any political news, but I guess this is International Politics and so I can be excused from my self imposed restraint on Indian political news.

Now read the bold lines in the report and we can see that Pres. Obama is planning all this only for his re-election bid and not for the overall good of the Afghani people or for war on terror.

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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama was set to unveil on Wednesday his plan to start bringing U.S. troops home from Afghanistan in a significant first step toward ending a decade-long war that is increasingly unpopular in the United States.

Obama will announce in a televised address at 8 p.m. EDT (midnight GMT) a plan to pull out 10,000 troops from Afghanistan by year's end, followed by about 23,000 more by the end of next summer, congressional aides told Reuters.

News that Obama will pull the entire 'surge' force he sent to Afghanistan in 2010 caps weeks of speculation about the future of U.S. involvement there and could increase friction between Obama and military advisors who have warned about the perils of a hasty drawdown.

Nearly 10 years after the September 11 attacks that triggered the war, U.S. and NATO forces have been unable to deal a decisive blow to the insurgent Taliban. The Afghan government remains weak and notoriously corrupt and billions of dollars in foreign aid efforts have yielded meager results.

Obama's announcement comes the week after General David Petraeus, the outgoing commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, presented several options for drawing down some of the 100,000 U.S. soldiers there starting in July.

The president's decision appears to reflect the competing pressures he faces as he seeks to rein in government spending and halt American casualties without endangering the gains his commanders say they have made across southern Afghanistan.

The decision to withdraw the 33,000 troops by the end of the summer of 2012 is unlikely to sit well with the Pentagon's top brass. They worry that insurgents could regain lost territory and that fighting along Afghanistan's eastern border with Pakistan will intensify.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said removing too many troops before the United States can prove it has turned a corner would be "premature.

Jeffrey Dressler, a military analyst at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, said the Pentagon would have favored a much smaller initial withdrawal.

"But the fact is that the conditions on the ground don't merit any sort of withdrawal -- it's not time to be pulling out a substantive amount of troops," he said. "There's a lot that has to be done in the east and you're not out of the woods in the south yet."

Yet Obama also faces mounting demands from some quarters of the U.S. Congress, impatient with a war that now costs more than $110 billion a year, for a larger initial drawdown.

Even after the withdrawal of the 33,00 U.S. troops, about 70,000 will remain in Afghanistan by the autumn of 2012, more than were there when Obama took office.

SHIFT SINCE BIN LADEN'S DEATH

The debate in Washington has shifted palpably since U.S. special forces killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan last month.

The al Qaeda leader's death has given critics from both parties ammunition to argue that the Obama administration must narrow U.S. goals in desperately poor Afghanistan.

While the United States has embraced efforts to find a political settlement with the Taliban, officials acknowledge a peace deal may be far in the future even if one could be had.

Obama is mindful of the American public's lack of support for the war as he looks to his 2012 re-election campaign.

A Pew Research poll released on Tuesday found a record 56 percent of Americans favor bringing U.S. forces in Afghanistan home as quickly as possible.

Still, the situation on the ground in Afghanistan remains volatile and Obama will face heat from Republicans if he is seen as rushing toward the exit.

The Taliban has been pushed out of some areas of their southern heartland, but the insurgency has intensified along Afghanistan's border with Pakistan.

July marks the official start of NATO's handover to local security forces in keeping with a plan to put Afghan soldiers in charge across the country by the end of 2014.

Serious doubts remain about whether Afghan forces, plagued by desertion and illiteracy, will be up to the task.

NATO PARTNERS ALSO ANXIOUS TO LEAVE

The White House decision may embolden European nations to withdraw their own troops more quickly from Afghanistan despite past Pentagon warnings.

Analysts said Washington's allies would want to follow the American lead given the squeeze on their defense budgets, the demands of the war in Libya and the unpopularity of the Afghan mission.

"I don't see how this ends in anything other than a run to the exit. I cannot think of one European country that wants to be in Afghanistan more than the Americans," said Tomas Valasek of the Center for European Reform in London.

The drawdown from Afghanistan underscores the Obama administration's shift toward a more explicit focus on Pakistan, the nuclear-armed nation where a weak government and powerful military are viewed with suspicion in Washington.

U.S. officials see an even bigger threat emanating from Pakistan, which was home to bin Laden and is still a major base for militants targeting Americans.

Still, analysts have cautioned that if the United States walks away from Afghanistan, it does so at its own peril because of the risk the country could topple back into the grip of extremism or renewed civil war. Both of these scenarios could again open the door to al Qaeda.

"What will be important is what happens in two or three years from now," Valasek said. "If Obama gets re-elected, and it all goes wrong, and Kabul has turned into another Mogadishu -- then he would clearly have some explaining to do."

(Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell, Laura Macinnis, Phil Stewart and Alister Bull in Washington and David Brunnstrom in Brussels. Editing by Christopher Wilson)

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I am not going to opine on any political news, but I guess this is International Politics and so I can be excused from my self imposed restraint on Indian political news.

Now read the bold lines in the report and we can see that Pres. Obama is planning all this only for his re-election bid and not for the overall good of the Afghani people or for war on terror.
Obama is a politician. It's a necessity for him to please his domestic constituency. From what I see of the plans of the Americans, it's not going to be a repeat of 1989 when they abandoned Afghanistan to its fate after the Soviets withdrew. In 1989, after the Soviets and then the Americans left, the Terrorist State of Pakistan moved some of its jihadist assets from one theatre of operation (Afghanistan) to another (Kashmir). It's no accident that 1989 was a watershed year in Kashmir, the start of a bloody insurgency.
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Drawing Down, With a Vigilant Eye on Pakistan

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Published: June 22, 2011
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Obama is a politician. It's a necessity for him to please his domestic constituency. From what I see of the plans of the Americans, it's not going to be a repeat of 1989 when they abandoned Afghanistan to its fate after the Soviets withdrew. In 1989, after the Soviets and then the Americans left, the Terrorist State of Pakistan moved some of its jihadist assets from one theatre of operation (Afghanistan) to another (Kashmir). It's no accident that 1989 was a watershed year in Kashmir, the start of a bloody insurgency.
It will be the same this time around too.

Afghanistan is a primary source of narcotics (opium, etc). Poppy grows there like weed (pardon the pun).

Pakistan will get their ISI sponsored terrorists back in action. Pakistani army top brass will be happy to resume their business with drugs and arms with the Taliban and Al Qaeeda thugs. Hamid Karzai will be made irrelevant if not, God forbid, assassinated. The Taliban will rule with an iron fist. Women will have the same pathetic fate as they did before the US entered Afghanistan.

In the future, Afghanistan will once again become a hot bed of terrorism. Again attacks will be planned against the West and USA from there. Once US is out of the picture, Pakistan will get a better chance to shift their terror training camps to Afghanistan, so that well trained terrorists can be sent across the Kashmir border to screw India.

Nothing will change for the better. It will just get back to the same shit.
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Re: U.S., keeping an eye on Pakistan, to draw down forces in Afghanistan

The Afghans have done it again !!

Defeated the forces of an overmighty empire !!

In the 19th century , they defeated the british to remain the one of the few independent muslim states on earth......

In the twentieth century ,these forces of allah crushed the might of the forces of godless communism unleashed by the erstwhile Soviet union......

And now in the 21st century , they will humble the arrogant legions of the GREAT SATAN--America !!

Not for nothing did Alexander the great write this to his mother while campaigning in Afghanistan--''Mother , I am in the land of leonine ( lion-like )people . You are proud to have given birth to me , but in this land , every man is an alexander !!

Long live Afghanistan !! Pakistan paindabad !!
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The Afghans have done it again !!

Defeated the forces of an overmighty empire !!
Don't party too soon.

The Americans are going to leave a large-enough residual force (upwards of twenty thousand) in Afghanistan to periodically whup the Pakistanis' asses, using drones or may be even Special Forces raids into Pakistan. Uncle Sam will be watching.
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