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Old May 22nd, 2011, 10:18 AM
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Get over India obsession, Obama tells Pak, warning of more raids
Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN | May 22, 2011, 09.42pm IST

WASHINGTON: Urging Pakistan to give up its mistaken notion of India as a security threat, US President Barack Obama has said he would order another raid like that one which killed bin Laden if Islamabad did not act on threats developing in the country towards the US or its allies.

"Our job is to secure the United States. We are very respectful of the sovereignty of Pakistan. But we cannot allow someone who is actively planning to kill our people or our allies' people. We can't allow those kind of active plans to come to fruition without us taking some action," Obama told BBC in an interview broadcast this weekend.

The US President's warning came in the face of a resolution approved by Pakistani MPs earlier this month said the country would "no longer tolerate such actions and a repeat of unilateral measures could have dire consequences for peace and security in the region and the world."

But Obama, unmindful of Islamabad's stand, said Washington had always been clear about its willingness to act if Pakistan did not, and his administration was not the first to say this.

"Our hope is and our expectation is that we can achieve that in a way that is fully respectful of Pakistan's sovereignty. But I had made no secret. I had said this when I was running for the presidency, that if I had a clear shot at Bin Laden," Obama said when asked if he would order another raid if a high-value target was detected.

BBC: You'd take it.
Obama: That we'd take it.

In the same context, Obama linked Pakistan's behavior to its insecurity vis-ŗ-vis India, a diagnosis he said he and British Prime Minister David Cameron shared.

"I think what Prime Minister Cameron understands, as I understand, is that Pakistan has been very obsessed with India. They see that as their existential threat. I think that's a mistake," Obama said, reiterating opinion he has expressed before.

In remarks that were clearly addressed to Pakistan and its India-obsessed military, Obama said "peace between India and Pakistan would serve Pakistan very well" as it would free up resources and capacity for Pakistan to engage in trade and commerce, and "make enormous strides that you're seeing India make."

"But that's their (Pakistani) orientation. It's been that orientation for a long time," he added regretfully. "And so they look at issues like Afghanistan. Or the border region in the Fata (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) through the lens of what does this mean for our contest with India."

The US President said Washington has been trying to talk to the Pakistanis about how they can reorient their strategy so that they understand that the biggest threat to Pakistan and its stability is homegrown, but he did not indicate any progress, much less success, in the matter.

If the US and Pakistan did not act and the Pakistanis don't get a handle on the situation, then "they're gonna see a significant destabilization of the country," he warned.

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in this whole long drawn out plan US has her eyes on nuclear toys as well. FATA is troubled by TTP which wants his version of sharia to be implemented in that area, and pakistani educated elite believe that it is a stooge of RAW, they killed Nawab Bugti and further claim that Bloch unrest is due to Indian money though they havent given any dossier even for name sake, not alone gun dancing mullahs but educated people also believe in clowns like zaid hamid.

drone strikes has increased in the last year and sovereignty is violated daily but they never cared untill US reached Abbotabad, punjab

ISI cheif shuja pasha wanted to resign but public came out in his support probably funded by military and he remained tucked to his post, though i condemn drone strike but probably that is the only way so that boots on ground do not come back home in body bags

destabilization of Pakistan is most unfavorable to us we may have unnecessary refuge and related problem like we had at the time of east pakistan crisis


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refugee problem can be easily tackled by shooting down 'illegal entrants'!
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destabilization of Pakistan is most unfavorable to us we may have unnecessary refuge and related problem like we had at the time of east pakistan crisis

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destabilization may be good also....if it breaks into 5-6 pieces ...the 'muscle' which pukes try to showcase to us will come down and probably will start behaving sensibly.

baloch, punjab, sindh,nwfp...these are all different areas with different set of opinion towards India. In short term it may be difficult for india to handle problems refugee and other...but in longterm i see stability and peace in the whole region.

Look at the shit they are spreading worldwide.
Let that shithole...split into ten pieces. World will rejoice with happiness.... not just india.
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in this whole long drawn out plan US has her eyes on nuclear toys as well

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the dickheads in pakistan are dragging their country to collapse. Let them enjoy the orgasm while they can. The big brother US is not going to keep quiet as the threat of Nuclear war heads getting into hands of taliban is now a real possibility. The deadly attack on their naval base, would have ring the alarm bells in US admin.

The day US lifts all the war heads from pukeland on their black hawks ...will be the most shamefull day for it as a nation....and then comes the disintegration of pakistan.

wow...hope i can see that day very soon.
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destabilization may be good also....if it breaks into 5-6 pieces ...the 'muscle' which pukes try to showcase to us will come down and probably will start behaving sensibly.

baloch, punjab, sindh,nwfp...these are all different areas with different set of opinion towards India. In short term it may be difficult for india to handle problems refugee and other...but in longterm i see stability and peace in the whole region.

Look at the shit they are spreading worldwide.
Let that shithole...split into ten pieces. World will rejoice with happiness.... not just india.
Breaking up Pakistan is an interesting idea, but it's not an idea entertained in any kind of mainstream way. At least not yet.

Lawrence Solomon at Canada's National Post discussed the same idea.

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Pakistan would be a more stable and peaceful place if its four component nations were unstitched from one another

Since Osama bin Laden was found living unmolested in a Pakistani military town, debate has raged over how to deal with this duplicitous, faction-ridden country. Should the United States and others in the West continue to provide Pakistan with billions in foreign aid, in the hopes of currying at least some influence among elements of the Pakistani leadership? Or should we get tough, and declare it to be the state sponsor of terrorism that it is, knowing this course of action could cripple our efforts to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan and drive Pakistan further into the Chinese sphere of influence?

Neither course would be satisfactory and neither should be adopted. Instead, the West should recognize that the muddle it faces stems from Pakistanís internal contradictions. This is not one cohesive country but four entirely distinct nations, having little in common save their animosity toward one another, a predominantly Muslim faith and Britainís decision to confine them within the same borders in partitioning the Indian subcontinent more than a half century ago. The Westís only sensible course of action today is to unstitch the British patchwork, let the major nations within Pakistan choose their future, and negotiate coherently with new national administrations that donít have impossibly conflicted mandates.

The first A in the word ďPakistanĒ represents Afghania, a province (since renamed North West Frontier) predominantly inhabited by Pashtuns, the same tribal peoples who live in much of adjoining Afghanistan. They mostly share the same Pashto language and culture as well as religion, and they trade among themselves largely as if a border didnít separate them.

And, they look out for one another, leading Pashtun factions within Pakistanís intelligence service to serve interests among their cross-border brethren. In fact, a chief source of conflict between Pakistan and Afghanistan stems from the separation of the Pashtuns by a British divide-and-conquer stratagem. The North West Frontier should be hived off Pakistan and allowed to vote for independence or union with Afghanistan, a more natural home.

South of North West Frontier lies Balochistan (the ďt-a-nĒ of Pakistan), the largest and poorest of Pakistanís four provinces, despite providing the country with 40% of its natural gas, as well as oil, copper and other minerals. Balochs, a largely secular and proWestern people with their own language and customs, have repeatedly tried to break away from their forcible incorporation into Pakistan. The most recent attempt, begun in 2005 with rumoured assistance from India and the CIA, has to date been suppressed by Pakistanís military, by Pakistanís intelligence agency, and by the many Taliban fighters that Pakistan hosts in Balochistanís capital, Quetta. Human rights reports, which detail numerous instances of torture and the disappearances of some 5,000 Balochs, peg the number of internal war refugees in Balochistan at 240,000. Balochs, who consider the federal Pakistani govern-ment to be an occupying force, would welcome independence and freedom from their religiously militant Taliban oppressors.

Sindh (the S in ďPakistanĒ) is one of Pakistanís two industrialized states, literate and economically developed. With a 7,000-year history, one of the oldest on Earth, Sindh also has its own language and customs, profound grievances with the federal government and a separatist movement. Like industrialized Punjab (the P in Pakistan), which likewise has its own language and customs, an independent Sindh would be a coherent country that could develop without the many contradictions that come of needing to live within an incoherent federal structure.

With the possible exception of Punjab, which is now the top dog in the Pakistani pack, the new nations to emerge from a breakup of Pakistan likely would soon become more prosperous as well as more free, leaving them better off. This breakup of the Pakistani federation would almost certainly be preferable from the Westís perspective as well.

Under the status quo, the monstrous hybrid that is Pakistan for decades has been one of the greatest forces for instability in the world. Apart from its role as a breeding ground for terrorism, Pakistan has been the single biggest proliferator of nuclear weapons technology, its A. Q. Khan network having made or helped make nukes available to North Korea, Iran, Libya and Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

In dealing with a Pakistan that has careened from one unstable government to another, most of them dictatorial and with no genuine national interest, the West has had no effective basis for diplomacy apart from bribes, aimed at securing short-term goals, in the form of foreign aid and military hardware. Once Pakistan is broken up into entities with true and distinct national interests, grievances that give rise to strife and terrorism would abate and the problems the West now faces in Pakistan would become more manageable.


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