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Old August 21st, 2008, 01:01 AM
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Arrest this dog and hand him by the balls for he is a gaddar
One good thing has happened last 7 years that pakistanis have realized that these good for nothings are of no use. They are used to luxurious life and are much worst than talibanis who at least could die for Pakistan.
Why waste your soldiers,energy,resources for them.


So Pakistan is not going overboard with Jilani claiming to be a Pakistani

Thats a diplomatic victory for India.
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Nerulala gave Kashmir away in 1948. What good Kashmir does when you cannot buy land or go settle in any part of it?
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Nerulala gave Kashmir away in 1948. What good Kashmir does when you cannot buy land or go settle in any part of it?
Ah! you sure have hindsight to better your deductions..... not defending Nehru on the issue but you need to own something( at least righteously) to give it away...I bet, Nehru didn't want to end it this way....Why Kashmir has to be part of India? If Kashmiris don't want to be with us, is it right on our(whoever "we" are) part to force them to be with us.... telling them that we better know whom they should be with.....

People are saying that our education policy is faulty...we have been given wrong models to follow...yes indeed...but this education policy made me believe for 18 years that Kashmir is an "integral" part of India. But is it?

The only reason that I find a little reasonable to keep Kashmir with India (even forcibly) is the location of Kashmir....It is too strategically located to let it be captured by China or never-been-politically-stable Pak.

All other reasons are basically religious in nature... Why Kashmir should not be part of India...because it is predominantly muslim... better it sides with Pak....
Why should it be part of India ?? it was part of Hindu India once.... all BS...we are too effing religious to be democratic....
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Ah! you sure have hindsight to better your deductions..... not defending Nehru on the issue but you need to own something( at least righteously) to give it away...I bet, Nehru didn't want to end it this way....Why Kashmir has to be part of India? If Kashmiris don't want to be with us, is it right on our(whoever "we" are) part to force them to be with us.... telling them that we better know whom they should be with.....

People are saying that our education policy is faulty...we have been given wrong models to follow...yes indeed...but this education policy made me believe for 18 years that Kashmir is an "integral" part of India. But is it?

The only reason that I find a little reasonable to keep Kashmir with India (even forcibly) is the location of Kashmir....It is too strategically located to let it be captured by China or never-been-politically-stable Pak.

All other reasons are basically religious in nature... Why Kashmir should not be part of India...because it is predominantly muslim... better it sides with Pak....
Why should it be part of India ?? it was part of Hindu India once.... all BS...we are too effing religious to be democratic....
Giving in to seperatists demands?? On the same line give away nagaland, give away khalistan and if raj thokray asks give away maratha too..
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An interesting analogue indeed! I would argue further that in order to prevent a Soviet style melt down of India, self determination is exactly what is needed. The Nehruvian socialism, one can make the case it is elected communism, that is practiced by India is doing nothing but causing resentment, regionalism, and inflaming populations to the point of taking up arms. In terms of dealing with issues of regional significance, the Central Government has been nothing but incompetent.
India has been, and is still, ruled by the Hindi speaking populous of North India. Hence you have dissatisfaction throughout the country. India needs to become more of a decentralized democracy, like US, where regional issues are dealt with within the state.
The idea of holding a referendum is not bad...... Having small states getting converted to 'nations' is also a good idea...... We see Europe divided into several small countries half the size of smallest state in India.... And so progressive.....

BUT can such a system work for Indian subcontinent.....??? Europeans have identified survival and success as their key goal after WWII...... But is there a similar understanding in this part of the world....??? I doubt, if any of these 'independent states' will be able to keep themselves truly independent...... HENCE the need to keep them in our fold rather than allowing them to be swallowed up by other powers like China or Pakistan who are working round the clock to keep India in check......

And what more decentralization will J&K want....??? I doubt if there's any state in US even which so much of Autonomy..... Except P&T, Foreign Policy and Defense, which other central rules are forced upon J&K....??? J&K is the only state in India to have its own separate independent constitution.......!!!!!

Only 8 out of 17 PMs of India have been Hindi Speaking......!!! And its a problem with the South that they dont vote for national parties and rely heavily on regional parties....... And fortunately most PMs so far have been from the national Parties only........

And finally, if Texas wants to secede from US, the issue wont be dealt with at the 'regional' level...... Pls correct me if I am wrong.....
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Ah! you sure have hindsight to better your deductions..... not defending Nehru on the issue but you need to own something( at least righteously) to give it away...I bet, Nehru didn't want to end it this way....Why Kashmir has to be part of India? If Kashmiris don't want to be with us, is it right on our(whoever "we" are) part to force them to be with us.... telling them that we better know whom they should be with.....

People are saying that our education policy is faulty...we have been given wrong models to follow...yes indeed...but this education policy made me believe for 18 years that Kashmir is an "integral" part of India. But is it?

The only reason that I find a little reasonable to keep Kashmir with India (even forcibly) is the location of Kashmir....It is too strategically located to let it be captured by China or never-been-politically-stable Pak.

All other reasons are basically religious in nature... Why Kashmir should not be part of India...because it is predominantly muslim... better it sides with Pak....
Why should it be part of India ?? it was part of Hindu India once.... all BS...we are too effing religious to be democratic....
You've answered the question yourself..... With Kashmir gone, you'll have merged China with Pakistan and both of them looking down on you from strategic points with no buffer zones in between to offer any reaction time...... No one is interested in forcing Kashmiris to stay with India but there's no guarantee that after gaining independence from India, they'll be able to keep themselves away from the Influence of China and Pakistan....... The reasons for forcing India's will on Kashmir is not cultural but geo-political........ We've already lost Askai Chin and PoK...... Not any more...... India should never lose its strategic advantage, whatever little it is now, to Pakistan and China....... Period.....
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Which grass you are smoking . After NDA Government Chief Minister is as powerful as any prime minister. The current government has lost badly in UP and Bihar . So you can count how many ministers are from so called Hindi speaking states in the current cabinet.

People like yourself have to get over the mentality of inferiority complex and cowardice which unfortunately left oriented education has imbibed. Cowardice finds 1000 excuses. Our education which should have produced more nationalistic fervours have unfortunately produced defeatists like this.
What an intellectual diatribe!
Perhaps people like me should stick to making idli, dosa, sambar, and ocassionally rear our dark faces in the form of comedic relief in Bollywood cinemas, a la Mehmood! Our unsurpassed cowardice produced an economy driven by our cerebral capacity, in places like Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai. What do I know, I'm just a fucking Southie, sala madrasi!
You're right, we need more nationalistic fervor because nationalistic fervor kept up from getting our asses handed to us in 1962. Nationalistic fervor helped us end the Kashmir conflict in 1965, then again in 1971. We need much more of it!
A nuanced approach is definitely not what we need. The Naxals are all Chinese agents, there is no unrest in Asam, the class struggle in Bihar is all made up, Kashmir issue is simply due to Pakistan, and any rumors of an iron hand are made up by darkies like me.
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The idea of holding a referendum is not bad...... Having small states getting converted to 'nations' is also a good idea...... We see Europe divided into several small countries half the size of smallest state in India.... And so progressive.....

BUT can such a system work for Indian subcontinent.....??? Europeans have identified survival and success as their key goal after WWII...... But is there a similar understanding in this part of the world....??? I doubt, if any of these 'independent states' will be able to keep themselves truly independent...... HENCE the need to keep them in our fold rather than allowing them to be swallowed up by other powers like China or Pakistan who are working round the clock to keep India in check......

And what more decentralization will J&K want....??? I doubt if there's any state in US even which so much of Autonomy..... Except P&T, Foreign Policy and Defense, which other central rules are forced upon J&K....??? J&K is the only state in India to have its own separate independent constitution.......!!!!!

Only 8 out of 17 PMs of India have been Hindi Speaking......!!! And its a problem with the South that they dont vote for national parties and rely heavily on regional parties....... And fortunately most PMs so far have been from the national Parties only........

And finally, if Texas wants to secede from US, the issue wont be dealt with at the 'regional' level...... Pls correct me if I am wrong.....
The Texas legislature has a lot more power than the J&K assembly does. Even to the point of making foreign trade agreements with neighboring countries.

It is not independence I'm speaking of. It's more autonomy. It's more of a republic style democracy, where regions have more input into their status.

The fact is, Kashmiris have nothing in common with South Indians! We don't speak the same language, don't have the same customs, and don't eat the same food. Kashmir has been an obsession of the North. This problem should have been solved decades ago!
Pakistan cannot survive without India. It is economically tied to India. India can overwhelm Pakistan with trade and make it a virtual client state. So what if they have the Valley? We'll have them!
We should be ready to make concessions, the way we are with China. I do agree, however, that we should not be doing it at gun point. Stop the terrorism, but lets also agree that we need to make a decisive turn.
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What an intellectual diatribe!
Perhaps people like me should stick to making idli, dosa, sambar, and ocassionally rear our dark faces in the form of comedic relief in Bollywood cinemas, a la Mehmood! Our unsurpassed cowardice produced an economy driven by our cerebral capacity, in places like Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai. What do I know, I'm just a fucking Southie, sala madrasi!
You're right, we need more nationalistic fervor because nationalistic fervor kept up from getting our asses handed to us in 1962. Nationalistic fervor helped us end the Kashmir conflict in 1965, then again in 1971. We need much more of it!
A nuanced approach is definitely not what we need. The Naxals are all Chinese agents, there is no unrest in Asam, the class struggle in Bihar is all made up, Kashmir issue is simply due to Pakistan, and any rumors of an iron hand are made up by darkies like me.
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The Texas legislature has a lot more power than the J&K assembly does. Even to the point of making foreign trade agreements with neighboring countries.

It is not independence I'm speaking of. It's more autonomy. It's more of a republic style democracy, where regions have more input into their status.

The fact is, Kashmiris have nothing in common with South Indians! We don't speak the same language, don't have the same customs, and don't eat the same food. Kashmir has been an obsession of the North. This problem should have been solved decades ago!
Pakistan cannot survive without India. It is economically tied to India. India can overwhelm Pakistan with trade and make it a virtual client state. So what if they have the Valley? We'll have them!
We should be ready to make concessions, the way we are with China. I do agree, however, that we should not be doing it at gun point. Stop the terrorism, but lets also agree that we need to make a decisive turn.
Kashmir has not been the obsession of The North..... Kashmir has been the obsession of India...... And why not....??? Pakistan hasnt seen a stable reliable government in last 60 years....... Can you bank on the prudence of reciprocity of Pakistanis and give away Kashmir....??? Kashmir is the most autonomous state in India...... and Texas can enter into Foreign Trade agreements but not into Foreign Policy agreements....... Again, except P&T, Foreign Policy and Defense, Indian constitution binds Kashmir to nothing more......!!!!!!!

The moment you give away Kashmir, you have virtually merged China and Pakistan above you....... You've lost the strategic advantage...... China will be more than eager to support Pakistan and Pakistan will be more than happy to run into the Chinese arms rather than take help from 'an enemy'........ Plus in last 60 odd years, Pakistan has ever been short of Patrons..... US, Saudi Arabia and now China...... Do you still think that Pakistan will need India to survive.....???
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What an intellectual diatribe!
Perhaps people like me should stick to making idli, dosa, sambar, and ocassionally rear our dark faces in the form of comedic relief in Bollywood cinemas, a la Mehmood! Our unsurpassed cowardice produced an economy driven by our cerebral capacity, in places like Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai. What do I know, I'm just a fucking Southie, sala madrasi!
You're right, we need more nationalistic fervor because nationalistic fervor kept up from getting our asses handed to us in 1962. Nationalistic fervor helped us end the Kashmir conflict in 1965, then again in 1971. We need much more of it!
A nuanced approach is definitely not what we need. The Naxals are all Chinese agents, there is no unrest in Asam, the class struggle in Bihar is all made up, Kashmir issue is simply due to Pakistan, and any rumors of an iron hand are made up by darkies like me.
Jai Hind babuji! You're right, you've opened my eyes!


The Texas legislature has a lot more power than the J&K assembly does. Even to the point of making foreign trade agreements with neighboring countries.

It is not independence I'm speaking of. It's more autonomy. It's more of a republic style democracy, where regions have more input into their status.

The fact is, Kashmiris have nothing in common with South Indians! We don't speak the same language, don't have the same customs, and don't eat the same food. Kashmir has been an obsession of the North. This problem should have been solved decades ago!
Pakistan cannot survive without India. It is economically tied to India. India can overwhelm Pakistan with trade and make it a virtual client state. So what if they have the Valley? We'll have them!
We should be ready to make concessions, the way we are with China. I do agree, however, that we should not be doing it at gun point. Stop the terrorism, but lets also agree that we need to make a decisive turn.

1) Jammu and Kashmir is the only state in India which enjoys special autonomy under Article 370 of the Constitution of India according to which, no law enacted by the Parliament of India, except for those in the field of defense, communication and foreign policy, will be valid in Kashmir unless it is not passed by the state government of Jammu and Kashmir.

2) The Supreme Court of India has no jurisdiction over Jammu and Kashmir.

3) Jammu and Kashmir is also the only Indian state that has its own flag and constitution. The state flag of Jammu and Kashmir features a Plough on a red background symbolizing labor. The three stripes represent the three administrative divisions of the state, namely Jammu, Valley of Kashmir, and Ladakh.....!!!!


Please list down your idea and perceptions of autonomy apart from what is already offered to J&K under the special status act.......
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No chance. Its like property, if you think about it. If you bought some land and then someone encroaches it or lets say you give to a friend and later on you have issues with them. And they shout, give me the land....how does that make sense ? You would kick these people out and reclaim your land, wouldn't you ?

What we need to do is give all these fukkers one day and tell them - Today you can cross over the border and if ur puki a$$holes of brothers take u in fine, go and live there. Kashmir is India's property. The ppl who think otherwise and living there are encroaching OUR land, our property. So you can leave and if your puki brethren do not let you in, then you shut up and live in OUR land for the rest of your life with whatever and how muchever we think is right to be provided to you. Your rights are dictated by us, yes, you got that ???
This is HINDUSTAN first, democracy later and you fuckin pro pukis are not wanted here. We are doing you a favour by letting you stay here.
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No chance. Its like property, if you think about it. If you bought some land and then someone encroaches it or lets say you give to a friend and later on you have issues with them. And they shout, give me the land....how does that make sense ? You would kick these people out and reclaim your land, wouldn't you ?
Same analogy..
you have some property...your neighbour hires some goons to encroach upon it...you ask your other neighbour for help...your other neighbour helps but sits on your property for his pound of flesh and calls it his own...
What would you do?

Kashmir has got no solution...it serves best as a buffer state.... it needs to be under indian control for latter's security...May be with some more autonomy...

Here is what I understand might have happened.... Pak is in really weak hands.... China is too busy with Olympics.... GOI thought its an ideal time to start the indianisation of Kashmir... so Amarnath episode was planned but alas it backfired and secessionist powers gave it a religious hue and got a good chance to strike back....


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This is HINDUSTAN first, democracy later and you fuckin pro pukis are not wanted here. We are doing you a favour by letting you stay here.
Well.... its democracy thats why it is hindustan...if not then what's the difference between bloody pukes and us...... Well if power runs the show then we should not sulk about whatever China did to us and going to do in future...infact why single out China... US...Russia..Israel...Iran...whoever as long as you can force it...it is right...right??
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Same analogy..
you have some property...your neighbour hires some goons to encroach upon it...you ask your other neighbour for help...your other neighbour helps but sits on your property for his pound of flesh and calls it his own...
What would you do?
Nope. Its my land irrespective of who helps me get it.
If there was no agreement made at the time of asking for help, the helpful neighbor is the new enemy. I would kick him out too.
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Nope. Its my land irrespective of who helps me get it.
If there was no agreement made at the time of asking for help, the helpful neighbor is the new enemy. I would kick him out too.
You said it !
You were Kashmir in the analogy... Attacking neighbour was Pak.... and helpful neighbour wass india.
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When was Kashmir an independent entity. It was always India's land to begin with.
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when was kashmir an independent entity. It was always india's land to begin with.
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