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Old March 3rd, 2001, 01:04 AM
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Savarkar - The crown prince of revolutionaries, has many firsts to his credit, here is the list:
He was the first Indian political leader to call for Swadeshi, and the first Indian leader who publicly performed a bonfire of foreign clothes (1906). (MANY YEARS BEFORE GANDHI)
He was the first Indian student who was rusticated from a hostel of an institution aided by British Govt (reason was the bonfire).[gandhi studied in england]
He was the first Indian leader of India to daringly proclaim absolute political independence of India as her goal (EVEN BEFORE LOKMANYA TILAK called Swaraj a birth right)
Savarkar was the first barrister who was refused the degree on account of his political line of thought by the British Government. [gandhi was a engalnd educated barriester]
He was the first graduate to lose the degree from an Indian University (Bombay University) for his love of independence.
(The same University rescinded its 1911 decision after 49 years in April 1960 and reconferred the degree. Meanwhile Pune and Nagpur had conferred honorary Doctorates on Savarkar).
Savarkar was again the first Indian leader to invest the problem of Indian independence with international importance.
Savarkar was the first Indian leader who cleared the myth British historians propagated and showed that 1857 war of independence was not a mutiny of sepoys in few regiments but a revolt of Indian population against the British sustained over for 2 years. He also highlighted the cruelty of British Generals during that period who slaughterd outright ordinary Indians on flimsiest pretexts. He was the first Indian leader to celebrate 50 th anniversary of 1857.
Savarkar was the first Indian leader to organize revolutionary movement in the 'enemy's camp' right in the heart of London.
He was the first author whose work was proscribed by the governments of two countries (India & UK) even before it was printed or published. (his book 'War of Independence of 1857' which was published clandestinely in US and India Thanks to Dr.Kurien, an Indian christian)
Savarkar was the first rebel leader of India who refused to recognize the authority of the British Court of Law.
He was the first political prisoner in the history of world the issue of whose arrest was fought out in the International Court at the Hague.
Savarkar was the first political prisoner in the political history who was sentenced to 50 year's transportation. [how many years did gandhi go in prison?Could also ask nelson mandela ]
Savarkar was the first poet in the world, who deprived of pen and paper, composed and wrote his poems on the prison walls with thorns and pebbles, learnt with Vedic tenacity more than ten thousand lines of his poetry for years till they reached his country thru the mouth of others, and showed how since dawn of humanity sacred Vedas were kept circulating from generation to generation.
Savarkar also designed the first Indian flag to be unfurled overseas (by Madam Cama, in Stuttgart Germany, on August 22, 1907 at the International Socialist Congress, where Britsh and French socilaists moved a resolution to call India an oppressed country).
He was the first Indian political leader to build a pan-Hindu temple where former 'untouchable' was a priest. [many years before gandhi did ne thing for harijans]
He was the only Hindu leader honored by SGPC (Sikh religious body) [gandhi did nothing notable for sikh communiy]
This is only a tip of the iceberg =savarkar was more responsible for india`s freedom from british yoke than gandhi.gandhi was a shrewd "bania"he knew the staregies of marketing and employed them very well
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Thumbs down I agree

There were many heroes who were far more patriotic and sacrificed so much for the country...even their very lives and the pseudo seculars want us to forget them and replace them by sacks of sewagelike Nehru,Gandhi,Indira,Rajiv
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People like Swatantrya Veer Savarkar,Lokmanya Tilak,Shivaji Maharaj,Maharana Pratap,Prithviraj Chauhan,Bhagat Singh,Chandrashekhar Azad,Subhash Chandra Bose and so many others who sacrificed thier lives by following the revolutionary path are not given any importance by these pseudo secular banana bones.Coins are minted with only Gandhi's images notes,stamps etc bear the image of an old doddering man.

Does all this not give an image of India to be a weak defenceless underfed country to all the foreigners?
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Chirag Bhaiya and Viking Bhai I am sure that day will soon arrive when gandi and nehru will be completely wiped out from Indian History.

Jai Hind !!!

and I HATE GANDHI TAKLYA.
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rave an rant....but nothing is going to change.

Why?

because Gandhi gave the finishing touch in scoring the goal for the independence. He is the one who pushed the ball into the goal. Doen't matter if Savarkar was the one who bought it upto the goal, fighting his way through the enemy lines.

Sad..but true.

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gandhi and nehru are creators of pakistan.
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Thumbs up That's true, but

Chirag, GGG, arya,
What you guys have said is true.

Indian independance was achieved, not just by moderate congressmen like Gandhi/Nehru, but also by revolutionary congressmen like Tilak, Netaji. And also by non congressmen like Savarkar, Hedgewar (RSS).

IMO, it's not totally true as it is portayed in Indian School History books which claim that only the Gandhi-Nehru combination brought independance to India. (This may be due to the fact that congress ruled post-independent India for almost half a century.) The books conveniently tend to forget the invaluable contribution from the other side of moderatism.

On the other hand, I have seen many Indians hate Gandhi and Nehru. One should not forget that their contribution to the Independence wasn't minuscle either. They have worked hard and selflessly too (though I am doubtful about Nehru).


Come what may, people in Maharashta will always worship Savarkar, Tilak and RSS more, than they would Gandhi/Nehru.
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I am also amongest the people who hate Gandhi and Nehru. But I am strong follower of Sardar Patel.

Savarkar and others played a mojor role, but they were unable to give the finishing touch of the freedom movement as araya bhai said, but what kind of finishing touch Gandhi gave? creation of pakistan and kasmir issue - very sad - it was better if that finishing touch was not there.

If we take opinion poll just now in India regarding Gandhi's roll, I think we (and the world) will be surprised to know the result!

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a poll?

from those same people who voted Hritik Roshan as Best Actor and never for once considered Amisha Patel in the competition for best actress?

you must be kidding.


(she did a much better job than Hritik...even Hritik confesses to it)

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Exclamation I like both Mahatma and Panditji

They both sacrificed a lot for the nation and so did a number of other people who fought for the freedom including those listed here and not listed ever. But what Gandhi and Nehru did was not insignificant.

dhurandhar, I agree that partition came as a result of Jinnah not agreeing to Nehru as the PM because he argued that Muslims will not feel safe under a Hindu PM. But, shouldn't Jinnah be blamed for that instead of Nehru ??
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Hey cool it man..Gandhi cannot be considered father because you ask us to consider him that.Besides who gave you that position to ask us what to do?.Take a walk yourself man.

And your knowledge of history is really pitiable.What do you know of Veer Savarkar?.You probably have grown up following the Congress party and lapping up the shit they gave you, and reading western minded newspapers so maybe it's not your fault.First try and find out what the cellular jail was...where the Andaman Nicobar islands are and what kind of torture the inmates went through over there and then comment on people like Veer Savarkar.

As far as Sardar Patel is concerned India with it's current political boundries is only because of him..Gandhi was busy giving away territory at will(He was imposing his will on the others by doing so.)

So please verify facts before commenting on all time greats like Veer Savarkar and Sardar Patel.Or your miserable knowledge will show.

Your tongue definately appears stuck in the pseudo secular ass!!.

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Wonder what would happen to em if you thought of what it is like swimming the English channel.Man you really would have to heat em over fire.Please read about Swatantrya veer Savarkar before making obscene comments about him.
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Viking, I'd rather microwave them....it's much quicker.

But hey what's the connection??...Don't tell me Savarkar swam the English Channel !!!!
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Have you guys ever heard of the term Captain of the ship ?

well, that is what Gandhi was.

Savarkar was maybe a very good crew-man, that's all.

He was not the Captain of the Ship that sailed from slave India to Independent India.
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hmmmm....it is making sense now. So did they sail the English Channel ? But why did Savarkar, the crew man, jupm out and swim ??
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For those who want to know about Swatantrya veer Sawarkar ...click below

http://w3.gwis.com/~ajmani/veersavarkar.html
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