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Old November 16th, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Bofors scandal-permanent stumbling block for new buys of artillery guns

India’s $2 billion purchase of about 400 new 155mm self-propelled howitzers is intended to supplement India’s dwindling artillery stocks, while out-ranging and out-shooting Pakistan’s self-propelled M109 155mm guns. It seems simple enough, and BAE Systems Bofors had been competing against systems from Israel’s Soltam and Denel of South Africa.

Unfortunately, the competition has mostly served as a cautionary tale, a years-long affair filled with legal drama, accusations of corruption, and more than one re-start. Meanwhile, India’s stock of operational 155mm howitzers has dwindled to around 200. In 2007, a new RFP was issued, and the competition was expanded. Is there an end in sight? Or a potential winner?

No. India’s Byzantine procurement processes have defeated operational needs yet again, as the competition stalls out one more time, and its existing artillery continues to decay.

US-India Defense and Strategic Affairs reported on the competition in 2004, and noted that this was expected to be one of the first large defense procurement decisions made by India’s new United Progressive Alliance government. The question now is whether a decision can be made within that government’s term(s) of office.

After multiple firing trials and several years, India’s competition managed to end up without any competitors left standing. All 3 competitors (Bofors FH-77B05, Soltam TIG 2002, Denel G5/2000) failed to meet India’s accuracy specifications in 2003 trials, but all three improved their guns to compete again in 2004. There are reports that Soltam fell out of the race after its barrel burst during field trials, while South Africa’s Denel sidelined in 2004 and then eliminated in 2005, after the Indian government accused the manufacturer of corruption in another defence deal.

That created problems on 2 fronts. Denel’s financial situation was deteriorating, and The Times of India reported that the contract may have been critical to the firm’s financial survival. In hindsight, that concern was valid, but Denel managed to survive the loss. A win certainly would have made a significant difference, and might have allowed Denel to delay its major corporate restructuring and associated strategic rethinking for several years.


The other problem involved India’s Ministry of Defence. India’s defense procurement establishment has shown an extreme risk-averse behavior and Defense India notes that when a competition devolves to a single-vendor solution, the practice is often to re-tender.

The resulting dithering was relieved when allegations that Bofors had paid INR 640 million (about $16 million) in bribes to secure the order eliminated the last contender. Bofors Defence AB had been blacklisted by India before, after allegations of kickbacks in a 1987 deal during Rajiv Gandhi’s regime. That scandal had derailed a planned 1,500 gun buy, reducing it to 410 FH-77B howitzers.

Those accused in the Bofors case would eventually have their day in court, however, and win. In April 2007, India re-opened its howitzer competition again, and the passage of time had created a number of changes in the requirements and options.

Meanwhile, the support contract with Bofors for India’s in-service howitzers expired in 2001, and India’s stock is believed to sit at just 200 operational 155/39 caliber guns as of January 2009.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/n...p?newsid=11906
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the top one is not bofors gun.
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the top one is not bofors gun.
I am not surprised . Doctor - KNow- all knows all
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the top one is not bofors gun.
To his credit he never said it was
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from back, the bofors gun looks some thing like this.

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Oh.. I thought by now DRDO must have indigenised the Bofors gun
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Oh.. I thought by now DRDO must have indigenised the Bofors gun
We have TOT but failed to use it because of our outdated beaurocratic laws.
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my apologies .......

when i searched for ' images of bofors FH77B howitzers ' on google , this photo turned up.

actually it is the M-46 .
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The future of artillery are not these 'dumb-guns'....combined with weapon-locating radars and UAV's....shells with ability to maneuver themselves in mid-air through satellite positioning systems are future of artillery.

roadblock- The amount of pressure and stress generated inside shell at the time of firing makes it hard to integrate electronics into it. But In next 2-10 years you will see such systems atleast in US artillery units. I hope India also wakes up.
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here is a story on India today:

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The future of artillery are not these 'dumb-guns'....combined with weapon-locating radars and UAV's....shells with ability to maneuver themselves in mid-air through satellite positioning systems are future of artillery.

roadblock- The amount of pressure and stress generated inside shell at the time of firing makes it hard to integrate electronics into it. But In next 2-10 years you will see such systems atleast in US artillery units. I hope India also wakes up.
If the artillery shell is able to do that then one would not need MBRL's, may be expect for extra long ranges(as in an artillary sense).

US has already fit in a GPS receivers and path correction electronics to make a GPS enabled smart artillary shells.
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If the artillery shell is able to do that then one would not need MBRL's, may be expect for extra long ranges(as in an artillary sense).

US has already fit in a GPS receivers and path correction electronics to make a GPS enabled smart artillary shells.
I know and they will be integrating them in their forces in coming 1-2 years MBRL's....I absolutely love them... artillery shells just cannot match them in terms of fire-power, type of ordinance carried and range...view of MBRLs firing their salvos is the best sight in a war scenario :drool: :drool: and Russian Smerch wins hands down...
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I know and they will be integrating them in their forces in coming 1-2 years MBRL's....I absolutely love them...just cant match artillery shells in terms of fire-power, type of ordinance carried and range...view of MBRLs firing their salvos is the best sight in a war scenario :drool: :drool: and Russian Smerch wins hands down...
what with the pinaka ........??

is it inducted ?

we have the smerch ,dont we ??
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what with the pinaka ........??

is it inducted ?

we have the smerch ,dont we ??
pinaka is a great system!! and its inducted in good numbers!! Long-range MBRL is in pipe-line by DRDO but will be different from pinaka as such. DRDO will be partnering with israel to produce same. Previously Israel had helped in PINAKA system by smoothening the flight-path of projectile and thus increasing its accuracy!

yeah we have smerch.....and recently ordered more units!
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