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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

I'm saving up to start my own work in India .. once I think I have enough I will leave .. hopefully sooner than later in 2014 .. tab tak dekhte hain how INS processes a few applications a day.
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I'm saving up to start my own work in India .. once I think I have enough I will leave .. hopefully sooner than later in 2014 .. tab tak dekhte hain how INS processes a few applications a day.

Ahhhhh .. you used the E word. There is no such thing as E. If you are serious, set a date regardless of the $$, dont use the E word. Else it is just a self deluding myth - you will be here until you are thrown out or carried out on 4 shoulders
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

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Ahhhhh .. you used the E word. There is no such thing as E. If you are serious, set a date regardless of the $$, dont use the E word. Else it is just a self deluding myth - you will be here until you are thrown out or carried out on 4 shoulders
lets see.. we will revisit in a few years and check this thread which is surely a landmark one.. for the number of people whose panties I have in a bunch
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Forget minimum wage... that maid now does not deserve a paisa. Bring the maid back and put her in Andaman Jail (not sure if it still exists).
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Old December 19th, 2013, 08:59 AM
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

There has been much misinformation and factual inaccuracy in the reporting on the charges against Devyani Khobragade. It is important to correct these inaccuracies because they are misleading people and creating an inflammatory atmosphere on an unfounded basis.

First, Ms. Khobragade was charged based on conduct, as is alleged in the Complaint, that shows she clearly tried to evade U.S. law designed to protect from exploitation the domestic employees of diplomats and consular officers. Not only did she try to evade the law, but as further alleged, she caused the victim and her spouse to attest to false documents and be a part of her scheme to lie to U.S. government officials. So it is alleged not merely that she sought to evade the law, but that she affirmatively created false documents and went ahead with lying to the U.S. government about what she was doing. One wonders whether any government would not take action regarding false documents being submitted to it in order to bring immigrants into the country. One wonders even more pointedly whether any government would not take action regarding that alleged conduct where the purpose of the scheme was to unfairly treat a domestic worker in ways that violate the law. And one wonders why there is so much outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian national accused of perpetrating these acts, but precious little outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian victim and her spouse?

Second, as the alleged conduct of Ms. Khobragade makes clear, there can be no plausible claim that this case was somehow unexpected or an injustice. Indeed, the law is clearly set forth on the State Department website. Further, there have been other public cases in the United States involving other countries, and some involving India, where the mistreatment of domestic workers by diplomats or consular officers was charged criminally, and there have been civil suits as well. In fact, the Indian government itself has been aware of this legal issue, and that its diplomats and consular officers were at risk of violating the law. The question then may be asked: Is it for U.S. prosecutors to look the other way, ignore the law and the civil rights of victims (again, here an Indian national), or is it the responsibility of the diplomats and consular officers and their government to make sure the law is observed?

Third, Ms. Khobragade, the Deputy General Consul for Political, Economic, Commercial and Women's Affairs, is alleged to have treated this victim illegally in numerous ways by paying her far below minimum wage, despite her child care responsibilities and many household duties, such that it was not a legal wage. The victim is also alleged to have worked far more than the 40 hours per week she was contracted to work, and which exceeded the maximum hour limit set forth in the visa application. Ms. Khobragade, as the Complaint charges, created a second contract that was not to be revealed to the U.S. government, that changed the amount to be paid to far below minimum wage, deleted the required language protecting the victim from other forms of exploitation and abuse, and also deleted language that stated that Ms. Khobragade agreed to "abide by all Federal, state, and local laws in the U.S." As the Complaint states, these are only "in part" the facts, and there are other facts regarding the treatment of the victim - that were not consistent with the law or the representations made by Ms. Khobragade -- that caused this Office and the State Department, to take legal action.

Fourth, as to Ms. Khobragade's arrest by State Department agents, this is a prosecutor's office in charge of prosecution, not the arrest or custody, of the defendant, and therefore those questions may be better referred to other agencies. I will address these issues based on the facts as I understand them. Ms. Khobragade was accorded courtesies well beyond what other defendants, most of whom are American citizens, are accorded. She was not, as has been incorrectly reported, arrested in front of her children. The agents arrested her in the most discreet way possible, and unlike most defendants, she was not then handcuffed or restrained. In fact, the arresting officers did not even seize her phone as they normally would have. Instead, they offered her the opportunity to make numerous calls to arrange personal matters and contact whomever she needed, including allowing her to arrange for child care. This lasted approximately two hours. Because it was cold outside, the agents let her make those calls from their car and even brought her coffee and offered to get her food. It is true that she was fully searched by a female Deputy Marshal -- in a private setting -- when she was brought into the U.S. Marshals' custody, but this is standard practice for every defendant, rich or poor, American or not, in order to make sure that no prisoner keeps anything on his person that could harm anyone, including himself. This is in the interests of everyone's safety.

Fifth, as has been reported, the victim's family has been brought to the United States. As also has been reported, legal process was started in India against the victim, attempting to silence her, and attempts were made to compel her to return to India. Further, the Victim's family reportedly was confronted in numerous ways regarding this case. Speculation about why the family was brought here has been rampant and incorrect. Some focus should perhaps be put on why it was necessary to evacuate the family and what actions were taken in India vis-a-vis them. This Office and the Justice Department are compelled to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families are safe and secure while cases are pending.

Finally, this Office's sole motivation in this case, as in all cases, is to uphold the rule of law, protect victims, and hold accountable anyone who breaks the law - no matter what their societal status and no matter how powerful, rich or connected they are.
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Forget minimum wage... that maid now does not deserve a paisa. Bring the maid back and put her in Andaman Jail (not sure if it still exists).
what happened? Any source of information about the maid would be great. I am yet to read anything regarding her, waiting for a source.
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Sensing the delicacy of the Devyani Khobragade matter, the United States of America on Thursday distanced itself from the statement of US Attorney Preet Bharara, who is prosecuting the case. Preet Bharara had outrightly denied claims that Devyani Khobragade was mistreated, arrested in public and handcuffed.

Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman spoke to Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh on Thursday evening and distanced the US authorities from Bharara's statement.

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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Responding strongly to Preet Bharara, the US federal prosecutor whose decision to charge highly ranked diplomat Devyani Khobragade in New York last week created a storm in India, the government today said that the 39-year-old diplomat is the only victim in this case.

Following is the full text of External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin's statement:

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We have seen the statement issued by the Manhattan US Attorney on December 18.

We need to keep in mind the simple fact that there is only one victim in this case. That victim is Devyani Khobragade - a serving Indian Diplomat on mission in the United States.

The action taken against her was not in keeping with the Vienna Convention. There were no courtesies in the treatment that was meted out to the diplomat, under the normal definition of that word in the English language.

The statement includes remarks about equality before the law of both the rich and the poor. Not only is this a rhetorical remark that is not conducive to resolving "inaccuracies", it is also not a feature of the law that is exclusive to the office of the Manhattan US Attorney.

The statement in question acknowledges that legal processes were in place in India. Yet, incredibly, it invites speculation about why it was necessary to evacuate the family of Ms Richards and about the action purportedly being taken against them. The implication of this remarkable admission needs to be considered very carefully with regard to the implicit comment it makes about the Indian legal system, Indian law enforcement authorities, and the responsibility that legal officials of a foreign government seem to arrogate upon themselves with regard to the nationals of another country. It needs to be asked what right a foreign government has to "evacuate" Indian citizens from India while cases are pending against them in the Indian legal system.

The statement underlines the compulsion that is felt by the Manhattan US Attorney's office "to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families are safe and secure while cases are pending."

This is precisely why, when there is a prior legal process already underway in India, the Manhattan US Attorney should consider it obligatory to enable justice to take its course in India in the first instance. When the legal process in another friendly and democratic country is interfered with in this manner, it not only amounts to interference but also raises the serious concern of calling into question the very legal system of that country.

This statement is one more attempt at a post facto rationalization for an action that should never have taken place in the first instance."
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Looking at all the names involved... it looks like another kekda-nature case of Indians

And also, why is there no case made against the maid here It seems like she (and her husband) were equally involved in defrauding the US g'ment. Why only the rich and famous are prosecuted and the poor protected


Edit: No wonder they say... this is kalyug. Kaljug aa gaya hai
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

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I'm saving up to start my own work in India .. once I think I have enough I will leave .. hopefully sooner than later in 2014 .. tab tak dekhte hain how INS processes a few applications a day.


I hope you get paid less than minimum wage ............ Than you tell me how you feel. After all you are indian and if they pay you 25,000 a year that's like 15.5 lacs. Who pays 15.5 lacs.......


Saale payment lete ho $$ main and support karte ho India ko..........

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I hope you get paid less than minimum wage ............ Than you tell me how you feel. After all you are indian and if they pay you 25,000 a year that's like 15.5 lacs. Who pays 15.5 lacs.......


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I really do not understand this idiotic statement you keep making time and again, Dirtie pai Of course we are/were all Indians... and of course we know the value (or mis-value) of rupees. But if both parties agree then kya karega khaja

I think the only reason the maid is throwing a fit is because of rupee-devaluation. She probably got paid in rupees when dollar value was at 50... and now it has gone up, she is raising all hell. She is just a greedy sh*gar.

Else, this Khobaragadhe lady is conning her by still paying her at @50 rate. I tell you... this is just the beginning of the end of the world, as we know it. This massive overhauling of the world economy is only going to hurt a many.
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Looking at all the names involved... it looks like another kekda-nature case of Indians

And also, why is there no case made against the maid here It seems like she (and her husband) were equally involved in defrauding the US g'ment. Why only the rich and famous are prosecuted and the poor protected


Edit: No wonder they say... this is kalyug. Kaljug aa gaya hai
Can someone please post some links about maids side of the story? All i hear about is Devyani..She very well could be the victim here and the maid the culprit. It would be interesting to see how this would unfold.
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Applying Occam's razor approach, here's what I think has happened.

Devyani K, being a reasonably intelligent person, a woman, and best-of-all a SC/ST, was able to slide into medical school, IFS and get several certificates and awards. Eventually, she got posted as a consular officer at NY.

It must be common practice to hire maids in India and bring them to US by falsifying visa docs. So Devyani brought Sangeeta to US. She probably wasn't the first one to do it and won't be the last. Devyani might be a bossy lady and Sangeeta might have got frustrated by her overbearing attitude.

Somebody might have educated Sangeeta about how she could make a lot by working in restaurants or stores. So, in search for a better life, Sangeeta ran away from Devyani's house and became an illegal immigrant.

Devyani might have panicked that she might be get into trouble. So she filed a case in India and initiated legal proceedings in the US. US officials may have tracked her down and asked her for her story. She may have told the officials that she was paid pittance and made to work for long hours under miserable conditions. US Officials gathered all the evidence and built a case.

US marshalls arrest Devyani under charges for human trafficking. While they were making the arrest, Devyani would have been throwing her weight around and saying things like tum-jaante-ho-mein-kaun-hoon types. She would not have been co-operate, at all! US officials may have been gentle with her, at first. Then, they might have gotten frustrated and taken it up a notch. They would have stripped searched her and cavity searched her, just to cut her down.

Then, Indian gorment officials got involved and the case has morphed into a pig-fight.

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If we take a step back and review the entire case, it is quite apparent that DK is wrong. She did not comply with US labor laws. The US government was well within it's power to arrest her. She cannot claim diplomatic immunity. Nobody can prove whether she was or wasn't cavity searched or that when she was being cavity searched, she did not enjoy it.

Devyani K is not a victim. She is not innocent. She is guilty of human trafficking, per US laws.
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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

Coming from a IFS family. I can tell you that having maids/servant is a pretty common practice.

These maids/servants got paid almost 5 to 6 times the normal wage in India and also get free food, lodging, airfare etc. Basically, all their money is saved and they have no expenses.

The maid probably got greedy and decided to become an illegal immigrant. Things got out of hand when DV filed a police against her and the maid decided to go to a lawyer who created this human trafficking angle.
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