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Old January 15th, 2014, 02:19 PM
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@Dirty Saar,The discussion here is not about the visa fraud its about the way she was arrested and treated inspite of being a representative of a country.
She was not a serial killer or a habitual offender to be arrested and searched and kept with drug addicts and such other prisioners.

Uska baap election lad raha hi toh what its a democratic country and anyone can contest any election from anywhere,whats wrong in that ?

And how do we believe the maid when she says she was made to work 100 hours per week when the maid herself is involved in some land fraud along with her husband in Cochin,so giving a clean chit to the maid and accusing DK wont be fair.

As for the case I dont believe in much of those as the attorney is known to go after Indians as if to prove he is a True American or the keeper of Justice.Atleast that way people would not doubt his loyalty to USA and he becomes famous in the Desi community.

Sab chalta hi yaar,after all America mei Indians ka khoon thodi hi na change hoga

Indians would always be Indians
Peeps are jumping on some indian Preet Bhabhra ......Not sure who do Indians in USA need to prove their love of America to whom. If you don't know , actually visa, green card or American Citizenship is not given by showing your patriotism. I can have an American passport and proudly say I love India , in fact I do......That does not mean FBI lands at my door next day and cancels my passport. That happens only in Hindi movies.

As far as her crime is concerned , crime is crime ......How many Indian star you know that have gone to Jail for driving drunk or without licenses. Have you heard of Paris Hilton ? Hilton Hotels ? She has enough money to buy her own personal God. She went to jail for driving without license. Do you know Salman Khan ? Paris Hilton has enough money to hire Salman Khan for a pillow fight on firday night . Salman Khan did not even spend one day after killing 5 people under his SUV. Because these people were poor........

Just a little change in mentality.

If you are a diplomat dont commit fraud........Don't fuck up India's relations with US. India needs US more than US needs India. IF India screws with US Pakistan will sleep with them ........ Them when war breaks out .......ask you diplomats to go on front line .....Wait they will be busy then trying to steal war windows apartments.......... Good job sir....India is shining......
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ndian diplomat Devyani Khobragade made her Indian nanny work up to 100 hours or more per week, for extremely long hours and without a single full day off. She also told her not to get sick "because it was expensive", according to the indictment filed against her.

The copy of the indictment, which was made public, stated that Khobragade made the nanny work often up to 100 or more hours per week without a single full day off, which, based on the promised salary of $573 per month, would result in an actual hourly wage of $1.42 per hour or less.

Khobragade, a mid-ranking, young diplomat who was posted as Deputy Consul General for Political, Economic, Commercial and Women's Affairs was arrested by the New York police. The US authorities accused her of helping the Indian nanny in submitting fake documents to the US State Department saying that she was paying $4,500 per month, when in reality, the nanny or the domestic help got only $573 a month.
Khobragade had hired the nanny in 2012 and she was working as a babysitter and domestic help at her house in the upscale Manhattan area of New York till last June.

She has asked a court to dismiss the indictment against her and terminate any "open" arrest warrants in visa fraud case, arguing that she was "cloaked" in diplomatic immunity and cannot face criminal prosecution in the US.

The document also stated that Khobragade did not give the victim any holidays or sick leave.

"Indeed, on two occasions when the victim became ill, the victim was not given a sick day. On one occasion, the victim had to ask to see a doctor several times before Khobragade relented. Khobragade told the victim not to get sick because it was expensive," it said.


http://ibnlive.in.com/news/devyani-k.../445523-2.html
The couple that employed the maid (diplomat and her husband) have said that they had treated the maid with respect and did not overwork her. Now the maid is saying something totally different.

Devyani is married to Aakash Singh Rathore, a man who was born and bred in the US. He is a professor of philosophy at some New York college. Would he allow such treatment of the maid (as alleged by the maid) in his house in the presence of their two young daughters? The maid could be bullshitting.

Why would the maid lie? There's a simple explanation for this. Maids have lied in this situation before, once they discovered the intricacies of the US law. They realize it's a ticket for immigration, so they cry exploitation or trafficking. The fact that the maid claims that she was overworked does not necessarily mean it's the case.

Look at it this way. A maid is hired in India. For 30,000 INR deposited into her Indian bank account every month plus a small stipend in New York plus free accommodation in NY plus free food in NY. In India, any maid would consider this an awesome deal. There is not one maid in the whole of India who would consider this exploitation or trafficking. No maid here gets paid 30,000 INR per month. But once the maid is in the US, she might discover the intricacies of the US law.

For the maid, the lure of US immigration can make her do things. Otherwise, it would be rather difficult for her to immigrate to the US.

Anyways, there's a lot of people saying a lot of things about this issue. And, needless to say, since I wasn't present in that New York house, I wouldn't know whether the maid was mistreated or not.

A couple of links, if you care.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...ork-city-wines

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/28797828.cms

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Chal chor yaar Pelu....tu galat samajh gayaa. ..baat ki gehraai nahin bhaanp payaa tu.....mai tujhpay ilzaam nahin lagaa rahaa thaa....teray overboard honay ko observe kar rahaa thaa...waisay kk khud ek number ka gaalibaaz hai.....bahut jaldi khisyaata aur jhalaata hai if one tends to have a scientific opinion over his superstitious beliefs. ...he is just a paRha likhaa chootia....
Lagta hai teri pichwade me ab bhi wo aag sulag rahi hai jo maine lagaya tha.

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The couple that employed the maid (diplomat and her husband) have said that they had treated the maid with respect and did not overwork her. Now the maid is saying something totally different.

Devyani is married to Aakash Singh Rathore, a man who was born and bred in the US. He is a professor of philosophy at some New York college. Would he allow such treatment of the maid (as alleged by the maid) in his house in the presence of their two young daughters? The maid could be bullshitting.

A couple of links, if you care.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...ork-city-wines

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/28797828.cms
PhD. in Wine tasting, appreciation ? Do you think I have respect for that ? Do you know you can start your own course in college ? Thanks for the links but after this I am more sure on who wore pants in the house. So basically, this was an unemployed bum who got hooked to this girl from India that has political connnections and money . I don't think he has any say in what that bitch was doing.....

Oenophile is lover of wine ......person who loves drinking. IN India we call him Bewda..... and Bekaar.....

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http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/10...ollege-courses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oenophilia
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Kk false baseless unreasonable illogical irrational absurd cock and bull beliefs existing on things not existing are sure not only uncomfortable but dangerous and detrimental and misguiding and misleading and misconcluding and jeopardizing and anti pro evolutionary for our world and its people which includes you and me both.

These beliefs to which you religiously subscribe to aren't even intellectually or genitally stimulating ,, leave alone scientific or technical.Those are euphemistically articulating artistic at best.

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PhD. in Wine tasting, appreciation ? Do you think I have respect for that ? Do you know you can start your own course in college ? Thanks for the links but after this I am more sure on who wore pants in the house. So basically, this was an unemployed bum who got hooked to this girl from India that has political connnections and money . I don't think he has any say in what that bitch was doing.....

Oenophile is lover of wine ......person who loves drinking. IN India we call him Bewda..... and Bekaar.....

Some links if you care....

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/10...ollege-courses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oenophilia
Wine-tasting is her husband's hobby. He has a doctoral degree in political philosophy. He's currently visiting faculty at the University of Pennsylvania (I thought he was at a New York college).

Let me say something else too. There are differing expectations in India and the US about how diplomats and consular officials should be treated. This perhaps stems from differing readings of the Vienna Convention. There are some grey areas here.

Recently, the Bahrain Consul-General had reportedly assaulted a woman, twice. The woman filed a police complaint in Mumbai. But the cops did not arrest him or handcuff him or even touch the man. Cops informed MEA and, in turn, MEA complained to the Bahrain Embassy. The Bahrain Embassy made the call to pull the man out of India.

From the point of view of MEA, diplomats and consular officials must be afforded certain courtesies. MEA extends such courtesies to diplomats and consular officials of other countries, so they are asking for something similar from others too. It's not a particularly unreasonable thing to ask for. It is not just the MEA; many other countries also extend courtesies to diplomats and consular officials. These people do an important job, that of communications between countries, and when problems arise between countries, they are the ones who try to resolve issues, so some courtesies come along with their jobs.

If folks are interpreting the Vienna Convention differently, then the State Dept needs to factor that in, while dealing with issues like this.

Link about the Bahrain Consul-General:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle5511961.ece
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Wine-tasting is her husband's hobby. He has a doctoral degree in political philosophy. He's currently visiting faculty at the University of Pennsylvania (I thought he was at a New York college).

Let me say something else too. There are differing expectations in India and the US about how diplomats and consular officials should be treated. This perhaps stems from differing readings of the Vienna Convention. There are some grey areas here.

Recently, the Bahrain Consul-General had reportedly assaulted a woman, twice. The woman filed a police complaint in Mumbai. But the cops did not arrest him or handcuff him or even touch the man. Cops informed MEA and, in turn, MEA complained to the Bahrain Embassy. The Bahrain Embassy made the call to pull the man out of India.

From the point of view of MEA, diplomats and consular officials must be afforded certain courtesies. MEA extends such courtesies to diplomats and consular officials of other countries, so they are asking for something similar from others too. It's not a particularly unreasonable thing to ask for. It is not just the MEA; many other countries also extend courtesies to diplomats and consular officials. These people do an important job, that of communications between countries, and when problems arise between countries, they are the ones who try to resolve issues, so some courtesies come along with their jobs.

If folks are interpreting the Vienna Convention differently, then the State Dept needs to factor that in, while dealing with issues like this.

Link about the Bahrain Consul-General:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle5511961.ece
Sanjayt,

Dont know about different interpretations of the Vienna convention - but the consul-general has DIPLOMATIC immunity, which means he cannot be arrested. DK had CONSULAR immunity, which allows her to be arrested for certain crimes. Her visa status was changed due to pressure from Ind govt to one with dip immunity, but that did not ahppen until Jan 8th. When she was arrested she did not have DIPLOMATIC immunity protection.
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Wine-tasting is her husband's hobby. He has a doctoral degree in political philosophy. He's currently visiting faculty at the University of Pennsylvania (I thought he was at a New York college).

Let me say something else too. There are differing expectations in India and the US about how diplomats and consular officials should be treated. This perhaps stems from differing readings of the Vienna Convention. There are some grey areas here.

Recently, the Bahrain Consul-General had reportedly assaulted a woman, twice. The woman filed a police complaint in Mumbai. But the cops did not arrest him or handcuff him or even touch the man. Cops informed MEA and, in turn, MEA complained to the Bahrain Embassy. The Bahrain Embassy made the call to pull the man out of India.

From the point of view of MEA, diplomats and consular officials must be afforded certain courtesies. MEA extends such courtesies to diplomats and consular officials of other countries, so they are asking for something similar from others too. It's not a particularly unreasonable thing to ask for. It is not just the MEA; many other countries also extend courtesies to diplomats and consular officials. These people do an important job, that of communications between countries, and when problems arise between countries, they are the ones who try to resolve issues, so some courtesies come along with their jobs.

If folks are interpreting the Vienna Convention differently, then the State Dept needs to factor that in, while dealing with issues like this.

Link about the Bahrain Consul-General:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle5511961.ece

If Mumbai police does not have balls........Should the whole world be ballless ? It just goes on to prove that poor are not protected. Would that been same case if the women he threatened would have been Ambani's wife or a Minister's wife ? You think he still would have been arrested ?
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Actually, he (consul general) cannot be arrested if the host country has granted him a visa that has diplomatic immunity. Usually the CG has dip immunity but other consular officers only have consular immunity. This has nothing to do with balls. The correct procedure is to have the offending officer sent back and then the host country can request he/she be sent back on a non-dpilomatic visa to face charges. Of course the foreign country usually never agrees to this request so its just a case of protocol. The case is never closed unless the statute of limitations runs out.

This is also what happened to DK. She has been indicted by a grand jury and the US has requested her to come back and stand trial. Of course she won't but her hubby and kids are US citizens and they are in the US. I suppose she can stay in India and suck Mayawati's dick
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Dont know about different interpretations of the Vienna convention - but the consul-general has DIPLOMATIC immunity, which means he cannot be arrested. DK had CONSULAR immunity, which allows her to be arrested for certain crimes. Her visa status was changed due to pressure from Ind govt to one with dip immunity, but that did not ahppen until Jan 8th. When she was arrested she did not have DIPLOMATIC immunity protection.
There has been a lot of coverage of this incident here, on TV and the news media in general. Whatever I say is based on whatever I've gotten from watching TV and the little bit I had read.

In the US, a Consul-General of a foreign country would not, generally speaking, have diplomatic immunity; what he would have is consular immunity.

In India, I don't believe MEA gives diplomatic immunity to the Bahrain Consul-General; what he has is consular immunity, AFAIK.

That piece in The Hindu says he had diplomatic immunity. I think they were, somewhat misleadingly, using "diplomatic immunity" in the broad sense of "diplomatic/consular immunity".

If the Bahrain Consul-General had diplomatic immunity, the question of arresting him simply does not arise. It is because he is a consular official that there are grey areas in how to handle this. Some countries are interpreting the Vienna Convention in a more narrow, legalistic manner. Other countries are interpreting the Vienna Convention to give more latitude to consular officials. It's not just about what the exact legal wording of the Vienna Convention is; it is also about the protocols and the procedures and the conventions that have evolved in host countries around how to treat consular officials from foreign countries.

As far as treatment of consular officials goes, there are different perceptions on this issue in India and the US because, I think, the Vienna Convention is being interpreted in somewhat differing ways.


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If Mumbai police does not have balls........Should the whole world be ballless ? It just goes on to prove that poor are not protected. Would that been same case if the women he threatened would have been Ambani's wife or a Minister's wife ? You think he still would have been arrested ?
Well, if he had done that to a Minister's wife, I don't know what would have happened. But it would have been interesting to watch.
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if just a chick... nobody wud give a damn... the point iz she is a diplomat with immunity. so usa committed a crime. i am not a lawyer... but usa violated international law here. so also committed rape. even if you say, 'rape of an accused' it still is a rape.
they all jumped at the opportunity to peep into the cavities.
Thats what I thought! God forbid it was some lame chick like me, she would still be rotting in the prison, crime or no crime committed.

This is the problem, If you want to respect a woman, respect every women. Dont look at her status. No wonder women can never rise high in India (and world wide actually).
I think I should let you all fight and respectfully step out of this thread now
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... Salman Khan did not even spend one day after killing 5 people under his SUV. Because these people were poor........

The concern of Americans for the poor is not always evident.


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Report: Some at U.S. diplomatic posts earn less than $1 a day

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A new State Department report says some local employees hired by U.S. embassies and other posts around the world are so poorly paid they have to cut back to one meal a day or send their children to peddle on the streets.

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Thats what I thought! God forbid it was some lame chick like me, she would still be rotting in the prison, crime or no crime committed.

This is the problem, If you want to respect a woman, respect every women. Dont look at her status. No wonder women can never rise high in India (and world wide actually).
I think I should let you all fight and respectfully step out of this thread now
Glad that you are back. BAdri had left no stone unturned to send me on a guilt trip courtesy my doing your leg pulling.

Nahi baba I dont love you and just cant.Their is neither need nor reason nor obligation nor vibes nor fascination nor whatever and neither should be and nor would be.In reality I am a one woman man and commited and shall remain so till I am alive.Guess everyone took it seriously what was simply decent indecency at worst.

The truth is I have never ever even felt like knowing who you are whats your real name and how you look like inspite of the fact that I could have easily got this info from those whom you have shared in the past and some of them are friends.

Another truth is that not just you but I am not interested in knowing how anybody here looks like except Melly .He is the only person present here active whom I like but havent seen and would like to see in pic but he refuses to share his pic.Was comfortable only in sharing his real name 13 years ago.Never asked him after that.

Yep I find him intellectually stimulating of the Big G genre types and hence the fascination and curiosity of knowing how much he matches with the mental image I have of him in my mind since the last 13 plus years.

Pics of other intellectual stimulators here I have seen with the exception of tempest who unfortunately isnt with us anymore.

So here are my contrite apologies that I owe you with a humble simple sorry and you owe me doling out a befitting punishment of your choice which I shall gracefully accept with a silent nod proclaiming guilty iff charged by you.

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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

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Re: Devyani Khobragade incident: What's your take?

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Thats what I thought! God forbid it was some lame chick like me, she would still be rotting in the prison, crime or no crime committed.

This is the problem, If you want to respect a woman, respect every women. Dont look at her status.

This was good

No wonder women can never rise high in India (and world wide actually).
I think I should let you all fight and respectfully step out of this thread now
This thread is not women issues ........
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