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Old May 25th, 2012, 08:23 AM
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Arrow Ap: Cong, ysr cong, jagan & cbi

Some good write-ups do appear from time to time in ToI print edition.

one by Kingshuk Nag in today's edition. Pls discuss, share opinions.

YSR's is a coverted x-tian family. Lot of political observers, analysts & experts saw the religious angle in his rise to AP CM's chair.

And if Jagan really has half MLAs waiting for his direction, why does he not topple the state Govt?

Naam Hindu, Kaam Hindu (Jagan recently visited some Hindu temple & was in news) lekin headcount kartey samay x-tian

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HYDERABAD: The story doing the rounds is that Jagan met his uncle Vivekananda on Thursday morning and told him to carry forward the election campaign with amma since "I may be arrested".

Even as Jagan's hour of reckoning might be approaching the question is why the CBI (and by implication the government which means the Congress) would want to nab him just a fortnight before bypolls in 18 assembly seats. The arrest will lead to a groundswell in his favour and help him sweep the bye-elections. The understanding of the Congress leadership is that the party will in any case be routed in the by-elections and the YSR Congress will sweep. Hence arresting Jagan will not hurt the Congress.

However, if Jagan sweeps the bypolls, it will lead to an exodus of Congress MLAs to the YSR Congress and may create trouble for the Kiran Kumar Reddy government. It is to prevent this from happening the government has given a go ahead to the CBI to move forward full throttle.

For those who came in late, the CBI has been investigating cases against Jagan for the last few months.

Although the CBI had filed two chargesheets against him, it didn't question Jagan.

If Jagan is arrested -- and his empire dismantled -- this will go as a signal to all Congressmen planning to leave the party. With Jagan in jail, the prospects of the YSR Congress consolidating its position in the coming months will be limited.

This will give breathing space to the collapsing Congress in Andhra Pradesh to work out a new matrix before the next general elections. Andhra Pradesh sent 33 Congress MPs to the Lok Sabha in 2009 and the party's tally in 2014 will be crucial.

But rejigging the party in the state is not an easy task considering that YSR systematically destroyed all leaders in the party in the state: district level upwards and created his own team. Half the Congress MLAs in the state are first-timers loyal to the YSR family. These are the MLAs who have jumped to Jagan's camp or have been planning moves.

Many of them are linked to the YSR family by ties of relationship or business. Even if they stay back in the Congress for the time being what they will do later cannot be predicted.

The Congress in Andhra Pradesh has traditionally been run by the Reddys with Kapus and Dalits being the junior partners.

With Chiranjeevi, a Kapu merging his Prajarajyam with the Congress, his caste men are demanding a bigger share of the pie.

This is much to the discomfiture of the Reddys who feel they will be reduced to a second class status. Many aver that only Jagan can keep the Reddy flag flying.

Jagan (a Christian) has made inroads into the Dalit votes, because a significant number are Christians.

The Congress has been unable to find a matching Reddy leader - the experiment with Kiran Kumar Reddy being a non-starter. Sonia Gandhi must be ruing the day she gave a free hand to YSR.

Taking advantage of this, YSR built a Congress party that was personally loyal to him.

The loyalty has now got transferred to Jagan, who showed a thumb to the central party for the last two and half years ago. Now will the Congress be able to rise from the ashes in Andhra Pradesh? Only time will tell.
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It is to prevent this from happening the government has given a go ahead to the CBI to move forward full throttle.

For those who came in late, the CBI has been investigating cases against Jagan for the last few months.

Although the CBI had filed two chargesheets against him, it didn't question Jagan.

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Another example of the blatant politicizing of the CBI by Sonia Gandhi + Manmohan Singh.

Instead of basing the decision to prosecute on legal considerations, political considerations are being used.

So the CBI is told whether or not to prosecute and gather evidence based on the whims and fancies of the netajis in power.

At any rate, they will never pursue the case so vigorously that Jagan gets convicted in court. Pre-trial detention for a few months, and they will let him out.

We were talking about the CBI earlier ... The fact that Jagan won't get convicted has got little to do with the incompetence/mediocrity of the CBI, although those could be factors too; it has much more to do with how brazenly S.Gandhi/MMS are interfering in the course of the investigation. When you prevent the gathering and vigorous pursuit of evidence, conviction in court is impossible. No judge will convict unless he sees the proper evidence.
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Another example of the blatant politicizing of the CBI by Sonia Gandhi + Manmohan Singh.

Instead of basing the decision to prosecute on legal considerations, political considerations are being used.

So the CBI is told whether or not to prosecute and gather evidence based on the whims and fancies of the netajis in power.

At any rate, they will never pursue the case so vigorously that Jagan gets convicted in court. Pre-trial detention for a few months, and they will let him out.

We were talking about the CBI earlier ... The fact that Jagan won't get convicted has got little to do with the incompetence/mediocrity of the CBI, although those could be factors too; it has much more to do with how brazenly S.Gandhi/MMS are interfering in the course of the investigation. When you prevent the gathering and vigorous pursuit of evidence, conviction in court is impossible. No judge will convict unless he sees the proper evidence.
YSR goes. Jagan wants to take over the legacy. Cong high command did not want family legacy. Jagan persuaded to some extent [going to Delhi seeking audience with Sonia G]. All this was clearly visible. But Cong high command did not budge even at the risk of sacrificing state govt in AP. Jagan kept harping about his strength and how he can bring down the state Govt anytime he wishes to. But never did. Cong on the other hand, utilized the time to its advantage by keeping its flock together, swallowing PRP etc. passes the NC motion also.
All of above is accepted and ok. Except that Cong should not expect any sane person to believe that Jagan is not being targeted by it.
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Except that Cong should not expect any sane person to believe that Jagan is not being targeted by it.
Yeah, man ... that's what me was saying too.

Sonia Gandhi + Manmohan Singh are playing the men of the CBI, moving them hither and thither like pawns on a chessboard.

This is the point I was making to you in that other thread too ... every single police agency and investigation in our country — be they Congress-wallahs or BJP-wallahs or anyone else — is controlled by the netajis and they will never allow the police-wallahs to collect evidence. No evidence naturally means no conviction in court.

Baat khatam.

Now if some police-wallah raises his voice against such interference, they will screw his ass. Witness Modi screwing Sanjiv Bhatt's ass for speaking the truth about 2002. False cases, old cases, a cottage industry of BJP-wallahs maligning this brave police officer!

The Congress-wallahs do the same too if any police office dare raise his voice against illegal interference. Many examples exist.
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Jagan Mohan Reddy & YSR Congress' legislators voted for UPA nominee Pranab Mukherjee.

P A Sangma had approached Jagan & sought his support.
Mukherjee did not (afaik).
An indication of Jagan's surrender to the Madam?

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Re: Ap: Cong, ysr cong, jagan & cbi

It's hard to say if Jagan capitulated to Sonia. They probably worked out a mutually-beneficial arrangement.

All Sonia has to do is to offer him the Chief Ministership, and Jagan would be one happy man, I'm sure. That post, above all, is what he wants, and he will forgive and forget any bad vibes.
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Sonia must have promised to stop CBI from hounding him.
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It's hard to say if Jagan capitulated to Sonia. They probably worked out a mutually-beneficial arrangement.

All Sonia has to do is to offer him the Chief Ministership, and Jagan would be one happy man, I'm sure. That post, above all, is what he wants, and he will forgive and forget any bad vibes.
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Sonia must have promised to stop CBI from hounding him.
wow. u 2 r geniuses. no one could imagine in his or her wildest dreams that of all the possible reasons of YSRC choosing to vote for Pranab, two could be a mutually-beneficial back-door understanding or a promise of cbi going slow on Jagan.
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The fallout of a full scale confrontation between Sonia and Jagan will be a benefit to Bharat Mata.

I want these two to take on each other and exhaust all their resources doing so.

Nothing can be better. But Alas! I know it will not happen.
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