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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:26 AM
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It seems that Modi and his then junior Home Minister, Amit Shah, have been doing some illegal surveillance.

This news of Modi ordering illegal surveillance on a female Gujarati architect has been all over the place. The woman in question seems worried, especially for her privacy and izzat and such, and is keeping mum.

The woman was not a criminal; not a terrorist; not any kind of threat to society. She was a normal citizen going about her day-to-day life, so why were these people abusing state power and snooping?

Calling this surveillance is a euphemism. What these men were doing is far better described as stalking.

The BJP is attempting a cover-up. The woman's father came up with a statement that essentially tries to protect Modi. The father claims the surveillance was for the woman's security; that this is a flimsy excuse is clear from the recorded conversations. The woman in question was, clearly, not being "protected"; she was being stalked.

N. Modi and A. Shah, instead of addressing the issue, are maintaining silence on the issue, and have left it to party hacks who dole out bullshit legalese without addressing the substantive issues raised by this troubling surveillance. Here, they have adopted the standard operating procedure of S. Gandhi and R. Gandhi, who, too, refuse to answer questions on important issues.

G.L. Singhal, the now-suspended IPS officer, was smart enough to record the conversations. There has been a pattern of N. Modi and A. Shah abusing police powers using compliant officials. That N. Modi has put A. Shah in charge of the U.P. election campaign is an indicator of the kind of low-life ruffians beloved to N. Modi.

These conversations are a good example of how politicians order bureaucrats to do illegal stuff, using oral instructions.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:28 AM
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Do the tapes really exist ? or some so called transcript is being circulated ?
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:34 AM
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Do the tapes really exist ? or some so called transcript is being circulated ?
The tapes exist. AFAIK, their authenticity has not been contested by the BJP.

I believe (not sure) that the tapes have officially been submitted as part of some CBI probe.

The tapes were made by the IPS officer G.L. Singhal, the man to whom Amit Shah was giving illegal instructions.

At least Singhal had the good sense to record the conversations.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:39 AM
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N. Modi and A. Shah, instead of addressing the issue, are maintaining silence on the issue, and have left it to party hacks who dole out bullshit legalese without addressing the substantive issues raised by this troubling surveillance. Here, they have adopted the standard operating procedure of S. Gandhi and R. Gandhi, who, too, refuse to answer questions on important issues.

G.L. Singhal, the now-suspended IPS officer, was smart enough to record the conversations. There has been a pattern of N. Modi and A. Shah abusing police powers using compliant officials. That N. Modi has put A. Shah in charge of the U.P. election campaign is an indicator of the kind of low-life ruffians beloved to N. Modi.

These conversations are a good example of how politicians order bureaucrats to do illegal stuff, using oral instructions.
Have you read apna Smellyfinger ka signature ? NO ? but Modi and Shah have so the silence

Dont you think G.L.Singhal could have refused to take the instruction of snooping ? Who should have been more responsible Ministers or officers ? Why did he not go to the courts complaining that he is being forced to illegal work ?
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Ab yaar everything in politics is hearse.. In his granth kootneeti by the master Chanakya a.k.a kautilya a sub section of his raajneeti dharma (shatra). He says a very pertinent thing.

Raajneeti mein koi bhi mitra athava shatru nahi hota. Har koi mitra evam har koi shatru hota hai. Samay ke anusaar us vaykti ki paribhaasha badlati rahti hai aur un ke aacharn ki sangyaa uchit anuchit, nyaay anyaay aur dharm adharm ke beech apna sthaan grahan karti hain. Satya ki paribhaasha bhi isi sandarb mein naye naye roopon men avatarit hoti hai. Jo vyakti is sthithi mein apne aachar evam vichar ko badal le, vahi raajneeti mein khyaati arjit karega. Vahi is praakashataa mein safal hoga. Jo bhi samay ki dhaaara ke viprit apna prayaan shuru karega yaa use chunauti dega us ka sheesh dhara par aur uski aur us ke kul ki khyaati usi ke asthi ke saath visarjit hota paayega aur asth ho jaayega. It was apt then.. it is apt now.
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At least Singhal had the good sense to record the conversations.
Good Sense with the intention of blackmailing at a later stage
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I agree with Chanakya.. and also there should be no enemies.. there should be contemporaries.. vichar ka matbhed hona chahiye parantu shatruta kadapi nahi.. consensus building and smooth running of affairs takes a beating otherwise, as we have seen in the current LS in every session.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:47 AM
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Good Sense with the intention of blackmailing at a later stage
He has also self implicated himself by doing what he was told and keeping a proof of it. Why is he doing that? because he is suspended and Congress has given him a deal.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:07 AM
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Suspension and taking bribe from congress is secondary,is he not bound by duty to maintain secrecy ? If his recordings were official why were they not submitted to the police department or a official note made ?
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Suspension and taking bribe from congress is secondary,is he not bound by duty to maintain secrecy ? If his recordings were official why were they not submitted to the police department or a official note made ?
so he has snooped as well, apparently on the snoopers.. and saved it for a rainy day.. so in this twisted convoluted drama of politics it will prove to be a huge card up somebody's (Kangress) sleeve.. if of course they can make it stick.

If he was so self righteous why did he do it in the first place, he could have followed his heart and said no..
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As per rumors, there are quite a few CDs and Tapes pending for release before LS elections.

So hold your horses before blaming. It involves almost all the parties. Be it BJP, Congress or other irrelevant parties like AAP..
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Have you read apna Smellyfinger ka signature ? NO ? but Modi and Shah have so the silence
Yes.

Silence is golden.

One sunny morning, I was reading some Osho. This is what Osho says about silence:

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Only silence can be heard and understood. Words can be heard but only superficially, and can be understood—but only intellectually. Silence is heard existentially and is understood from your innermost being. It is a total understanding.
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The whole government machinery put to work at the "oral" request of a friend of a powerful politician..
I think the same.

Let's think of a desi fillum. Girl meets Boy. Girl's parents don't approve. Girl's parents complain to a relative. Relative gives a listen and says, "Dekh loonga main."

That's the hypothetical scenario I was thinking of, with our Modi Saheb playing the role of the relative.

Then our Modi Saheb calls his Man Friday, Amit Shah, who, in turn, goes on to deploy the resources of the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) to conduct surveillance on the Girl Giving Trouble To Her Parents.

Official machinery is misused so casually! But then, it's not as if Congress doesn't misuse and abuse govt machinery and govt agencies. So I don't think this will have any big impact on Modi ji's 2014 electoral fortunes. Out Bharatiya brethren are used to these kinds of things. It's all par for the course.

I have been following this story, and several journalists say that it is widely known in Gujarat that Modi's govt does a lot of illegal phone tapping.

Modi ditched BSNL because they were not so keen on doing illegal tapping. He brought in a pvt mobile phone service provider to provide phones to govt officials because this telecom operator was willing to bend the rules and ignore the laid-down procedures. I can easily guess who this telecom operator is.

This brings up another issue. Our Modi Saheb projects himself as a "tough" leader. This widespread illegal phone tapping shows that he may be paranoid. The supposedly tough one has too much paranoia in him, perhaps?

And here's the rub. The ATS men (or whoever it was) who were tailing the Girl Giving Trouble To Her Parents were apparently having trouble doing the job. I mean, these guys can't do a simple job like tail a girl? How will they do dishum-dishum with terrorists?

It's freakin' hilarious what these ATS guys were up to. It reminds me of some cops you see in slapstick comedies.



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The air is full of high-end espionage, including code words (“Call me and only say: ‘The guests are inside’,” etc).

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In one sequence the officer reports to Shah that he has one man at the gate, one at the door, one inside and one in the parking lot.

But is the girl inside? Er, that they don’t know. The girl escapes twice to shop without their notice, by rolling up her tinted windows. She is sharp enough to know they are tracking her through her mobile phone. She returns their missed calls and asks the owner of the public telephone to describe the man who made the call to her. Very little of what she is doing is ultimately known to the policemen keeping track of her round the clock.

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More here: Saheb’s James Bond-style surveillance
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the fact is that Congress is trying everything within its power to reverse any positives for Modi..

NDTV and CNN-IBN were mauled by British MP for not adhering to SC's verdict on Modi's cases.. clearly they have undermined the courts and contempt of court charges can apply.

Digvijay Singh has not been able to stick the charges on Tejpal to Modi in any way..

This snoopgate BS is a fiction of imagination that Sharmas have created .. there are no FIRs or cases launched yet and even if there are, no charges will stick.

There are cases where opposition politicians' relatives are helped by ruling party's ministers for small little things like stopping transfers, etc. You can't be investigating frikkin everything.
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