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Old September 6th, 2002, 07:20 AM
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Question Would Indian lobbyist ever be powerful as Jewish-American in US

Guys, nice artilcle, mostly we come legally, doing better compare to Mexican and chinese, still Indian lobbying not seen doing much or looks inactive in US, Why , do you think we can ever able to manage a powerful lobby like Jewish-Indian

Good thing is each of us contributed in those numbers

India second highest source of migrants to U.S. Vasantha Arora (Indo-Asian News Service)

Washington, September 06

An estimated 1.06 million people legally migrated to the US last fiscal, of which 70,290 came from India, continuing India's status as the second highest source of migrants.

The highest number (206,426 immigrants) during the September 2001-August 2002 period was accounted for by Mexico, followed by India (70,290), China (56,426), the Philippines (53,154) and Vietnam (35,531).

These five countries accounted for 40 percent of the legal immigrants, says the US Immigration and Naturalisation Service (INS).

This total includes new arrivals to the US who obtained immigrant visas abroad through the Department of State and people who were already living in the US who became permanent residents by applying for adjustment of status with the INS.

Legal immigration in recent years, including in fiscal 2001-02, has been affected by a backlog in adjustment of status applications pending, says the INS.

The increase in the number of legal immigrants between fiscal years 2000-01 and 2001-02 reflects improved processing of adjustment cases by INS -- from 442,405 to 653,259.
These processing improvements continued in the current fiscal year.

The major categories of immigrants were: immediate relatives of U.S. citizens (443,964), family preferences (232,143), employment preferences (179,195), refugee/asylum adjustments (108,506) and diversity programme (42,015).

Some 65 percent of legal immigrants settled in the following six states: California (282,957), New York (114,116), Florida (104,715), Texas (86,315), New Jersey (59,920) and Illinois (48,296).

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Old September 6th, 2002, 07:21 AM
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Numbers ain't anything. It is financial muscle that counts. Jews rule on that. Indians are nowhere in the picture.
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Numbers ain't anything. It is financial muscle that counts. Jews rule on that. Indians are nowhere in the picture.
you may be right, I agree that jews have organisation like morgan-stanley, JP Morgan and many other financial orgn., but that alone doesnt make them powerful

Rather I believe, when Indian become a vote bank, may be that policy works as they can press congressman to work/support the policies in favor of india, wot says
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Rahul,

the brutal truth is that Indians do not have the same sense of unity and belonging that the Jews have.

when desis cannot stick together during an election, how do you think they will stick together to form a powerful lobby?

We as a community need to mature first and we have a long way to go.
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Old September 6th, 2002, 08:12 AM
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Rahul,

the brutal truth is that Indians do not have the same sense of unity and belonging that the Jews have.

when desis cannot stick together during an election, how do you think they will stick together to form a powerful lobby?

We as a community need to mature first and we have a long way to go.
You r right SG, but what are those factors make them unite, lets compare

Jewish :
1. All the jewish dont have same language (some speak hebrew, some russian)
2. They too come from different country
3. even there way to practice their religion are different
4. The only thing common is, they belongs from same religion and they all know innocents jewish are getting killed in Israel.

Indian :

1. All the indian dont have same language (some speak tamil, telugu and some hindi)
2. Most of us comes from different province
3. We all practise our religions differently, even you can see the same goes to Hindus (which is in majority)
4. Many of us are from different religions
5. even back in India, we are a divided lot, some by caste, some by religion, and wrost of it by regions

Now what make Jewish united, one religion or attrocities by Palestine ??
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neither and both....Jewish got united because they got scared shitless after what Hitler did to them...until then they were almost exactly like Indians in USA....rich and learned community in general but a very divided one.

The very European countries that show sympathy for Palestine and some scorn towards Israel are the people who were eager to throw Jews off their countries in a amiable way....why didn't Europe try to retain their Jewish populace when the war was over...instead they provided material and diplomatic support for Israel and now they scorn it.
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The greatest lobbying effort I have seen to date

by Indians since I came to the USA has been done by folks at www.isn.org

I really am thankful to their efforts for easing and bringing about much needed changes in the green card process. They raised funds by way of donations and membership. They were first going to sue INS over the delays in the system but decided to lobby instead. This tactic worked and the life of so many H1 holders and Green Card applicants has changed.

The major changes for a H1 visa holder was that a H1 holder can change jobs within days of applying for a new H1. Just the WAC number was enought to change jobs. No more stamping of new H1 in passport was required to change jobs. Once the employee got a chance then he/she could go and get the new H1 stamped.

The 180 days portability rule for GC applicants was a major change which was much needed but never implemented till ISN stepped in. Now anyone who has filed for I-485 can change jobs to a similar job position after 180 days of filing the I-485. This was much needed because by the time a applicant reached the 48 stage (2 to 3 years) the employer could have shut down or merged with some other company. Many folks then had to re-apply the whole process. The new changes are great and some of my friends took advantage of this great change.
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The highest number (206,426 immigrants) during the September 2001-August 2002 period was accounted for by Mexico, followed by India (70,290), China (56,426), the Philippines (53,154) and Vietnam (35,531).
Don't they all constitute the blue collar and white collar middle class of USA. Being managed by white Rock punks turned into yeppies! Running corporates like wall-marts and data-processing shops all over USA.
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The large number of immigrants from India and China are because of their large population. Mexico still beats India by being three times.

The jews settled in the USA a long time back. Indian immigration (in large numbers) is very recent.
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Jews are our friends. Indian lobby cooperates with Jewish lobby. They do not compete as when it comes to Islamic terrorism they both have the same goals.

Always remember during the Indo-Pak crisis Israeli foreign minister came to India not to defuse tensions but to give India, Israeli support.

Indians in US support the Jewish cause, they don't compete against them, so the topic of this thread is incorrect.
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Jews are our friends. Indian lobby cooperates with Jewish lobby. They do not compete as when it comes to Islamic terrorism they both have the same goals.

Always remember during the Indo-Pak crisis Israeli foreign minister came to India not to defuse tensions but to give India, Israeli support.

Indians in US support the Jewish cause, they don't compete against them, so the topic of this thread is incorrect.
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No where I mentioned we need to compete with jewish lobby, I just wish can Indian lobby ever be as powerful as jewish lobby, remember no lobby compete with each other, they just fight for their cause as per their interest.

Take recent example, when India and pakistan equally opposing attack on Iraq, where Israel openly supporting that.
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