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Desi Immigrants and their pro-conservatism (or anti-liberalism) stance.

Now this is something I have not been able to figure out.

Immigration/Emigration is an inherently Liberalistic policy borne out of their belief in the freedom of movement. In my little LIBERALIA-infected mind, I had always entertained this simple thought that it's only because of the Liberal policies (read Democrats) that I find myself in this great, prosperous nation. I lived under the shadow of this false notion that one thing which all immigrants would have a thumping agreement on would be supporting the Democrats. It came as nothing less than a rude slap on the butt, the realisation that there are immigrant desis who actually ridicule and oppose the Democrats. I thunk and thunk but the rationale eludes me.

Would some of the pro-Republicans enlighten me in this regard? Possibilities are infinite, however, if you can just touch these three little areas with your knowledge-wand, I'll be eternally grateful :

1) What is it that you hate about Liberals?
2) What is it that you love about Conservatives?
3) Does it ever occur to you that it's because of Democrats that a most of legal immigrants are out here? If I am wrong here, please correct me.

(Please disregard the pro-choice/anti-choice crappola cos that calls for a seperate thread. Apart from that one, what else?)
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Now this is something I have not been able to figure out.

Immigration/Emigration is an inherently Liberalistic policy borne out of their belief in the freedom of movement. In my little LIBERALIA-infected mind, I had always entertained this simple thought that it's only because of the Liberal policies (read Democrats) that I find myself in this great, prosperous nation. I lived under the shadow of this false notion that one thing which all immigrants would have a thumping agreement on would be supporting the Democrats. It came as nothing less than a rude slap on the butt, the realisation that there are immigrant desis who actually ridicule and oppose the Democrats. I thunk and thunk but the rationale eludes me.

Would some of the pro-Republicans enlighten me in this regard? Possibilities are infinite, however, if you can just touch these three little areas with your knowledge-wand, I'll be eternally grateful :

1) What is it that you hate about Liberals?
2) What is it that you love about Conservatives?
3) Does it ever occur to you that it's because of Democrats that a most of legal immigrants are out here? If I am wrong here, please correct me.

(Please disregard the pro-choice/anti-choice crappola cos that calls for a seperate thread. Apart from that one, what else?)
First I need to define conservative and liberal as I perceive it.

CONSERVATIVE: A school of thought that advocates minimal interference of government in the lives of public. This is associated with the ways things were in "Good Ol' Days". No reference to slavery....remember that Lincoln was a Republican who fought against slavery.

Conservatives seek more freedom of public and least interference on part of government in the lives of the public. (Abortion is a serious aberration on the part of conservatives) Hence, the freedom to buy guns in the states that are conservatives.

Conservatives are an example of extreme capitalism. Ideal conservatism calls for the survival of the fittest and compassion is almost zero.

LIBERAL: A school of thought bordering socialism and advocates government regulations to a considerable greater extent unlike conservatives.

Liberal is what is not conservative.

Now with reference to immigration....that has no considerable significance on the president being conservative or liberal. This is driven by America's economic needs and interests.

Please provide a proof that Democrats have developed a more tolerant immigration policy compared to Republicans.
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First I need to define conservative and liberal as I perceive it.

CONSERVATIVE: A school of thought that advocates minimal interference of government in the lives of public. This is associated with the ways things were in "Good Ol' Days". No reference to slavery....remember that Lincoln was a Republican who fought against slavery.

Conservatives seek more freedom of public and least interference on part of government in the lives of the public. (Abortion is a serious aberration on the part of conservatives) Hence, the freedom to buy guns in the states that are conservatives.

Conservatives are an example of extreme capitalism. Ideal conservatism calls for the survival of the fittest and compassion is almost zero.
Buddy... I am aghast. You sure you haven't got the concepts mixed-up??

Conservatism is about freedom????? You just shook up everything I knew about conservatism and liberalism till now. Conservatism by definition is 'anti-choice'. It's about interference, stringent rules and rules of Bible (in the American context).

Liberalism is just the opposite.

You are begging the question here.
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Will it suffice

to say, for me personally, that even when I was in India I was never a "Liberal" as they call it here. That I dont like socialism the way I have seen it in India. That I dont like government meddling in all possible places. That I do not subscribe to things like teaching kids all kinds of 'strange' things in school as they do here in Liberal CA. That I believe in Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve That I believe in family and not "Pappu has two mummies".

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Buddy... I am aghast. You sure you haven't got the concepts mixed-up??

Conservatism is about freedom????? You just shook up everything I knew about conservatism and liberalism till now. Conservatism by definition is 'anti-choice'. It's about interference, stringent rules and rules of Bible (in the American context).

Liberalism is just the opposite.

You are begging the question here.
No go to any conservative website (not the religious fanatics) and you will find that conservatives try to limit the powers of government (before 9/11) and liberals do the opposite.

For e.g gun control....this is a liberal idea. The freedom to bear arms is advocated by conservatives while Liberals think that by enforcing gun control peace will be achieved. To enforce gun control...the size of the government has to increase that implies more interference in the lives of people and of course more taxes on the part of taxpayers.

Same is the case with SUV....liberals try to ban SUV in that way interfere in the lives of people who want ot drive SUV

I was aghast too to learn this truth when i first entered the states...but after reading the conservative and liberal agenda...it was made clear to me by Rush Limbaugh when I called on him about the SUV issue and received a verbal whacking

In US liberals are conservatives ( in sense of dictionary ) and conservatives are liberals.
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Arey I dont need Rush Limbaugh to tell me anything

When I read all about the SUV thing in newspapers and the way these Green Earth fanatics were going about it... baah. They were linking SUVs with terrorism. Ads and placards like your oil consumption helps terrorism, etc. Baah.. what nonsense. As if these same nut jobs came to these demosntrations in cars that run on water.

What I hate about these folks is the way they go about making a big hoopla and forcing their ideas down your throat. That pisses me off. The day I have good enough money, trust me I am buying a big SUV.. I would love to buy a Hummer 2!! It rocks!!

There was a great episode about taunting Liberals on South Park where a bunch of people accept a teacher being gay and teaching kids all about gay stuff when he should be teaching them maths and science. Then they show that the same 'ultra tolerant' people start cussing and hitting back at a smoker just because the smoker decides to smoke in the open air in a public place. If you can tolerate all such things then why punish the smokers? Okay smoking is bad, but let the smoker then decide what to do? You have warned smokers about ill effects of smoking. Thats it. Stop.
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In Canada we have a confusing state of affairs when it comes to labelling political sides as liberal or conservative. How liberal or conservative policies are implemented depends on the group of people in those parties running the show at the time. Federally, in Canada, the ruling party is the Liberal Party (literally). Canada's attitude on the world stage is definitely Liberal if their openess to immigrants and refugees is the topic, and they live up to the Liberal name in a lot of other ways. ie they are also just on the verge of decriminalizing marijuana in Canada Our govt is about one third to the left of center.

It so happens that the province I live (BC) in has a Liberal government at present..... They don't fit the definition of Liberal in the federal or literal sense of the word except they are quite liberal with imposing new taxes and higher fees for everything, and quite liberal with perks and breaks for rich people. In reality they are right-wingers.

If I was a Yank, I'd be a democrat.....
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Conservatives
They people often have conflicting ideas and practices. They stand for 'equal rights'. In reality however, they do not accept any other religion than Christianity. They do not tolerate African Americans, Hispanics, enyone for that matter. A good conservative is supposed to be one similar to a person in 18th century America. He is expected to be family oriented with Male being superior than females, is supposed to be god fearing i.e goes to Church every Sunday.
Their practices have evolved over last two centuries, and have changed dramatically as a result of continually changing political situation, and with the arrival & dominance of science in our day-to-day lives.
An important aspect missing in Conservatives is their respect for science. They still believe in Adam&Eve theory in which god created this earth in 6 days, as opposed to the theory of evolution. However, what makes them bigots is that when someone gets sick, they still go to a doctor, and not a church at the same time as having complete disrespect for Medical Sciences.
Republicans tend to be conservative, and have zero support from University students.
Conservatives truly believe in capitalism. An industrialist, by definition is a capitalist. Therefore, he tends to align himself with conservatives, and subsequently with Republicans.



Liberals, on the other hand, tend to be far more educated, and have an ability to analyze the situation, and have great respect for science. On a social level, they also support equality, albeit, in a different way. They want rich people to pay more tax so the poor can be uplifted. It doesn't work that way, is a different story.
I haven't come across a liberal who believes in Adam&even theory. Even though most go to a church, they do so for the sake of philosophy, and not to learn Pope's version of evolution. Liberals also tend to have a high degree of tolerence for other religions, and are willing to learn them. This stems from the fact that they are open to other ideas.


Half of America is educated, while the other half is not. Educated ones align themselves with Liberals, while uneducated do away being conservative. This is evident from the fact that most callers on a Rush Limbaugh (or Mike Savage) show do not give an impression that they ever went past high school.

American sociecty, by definition, is liberal.
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Conservatives
They people often have conflicting ideas and practices. They stand for 'equal rights'. In reality however, they do not accept any other religion than Christianity. They do not tolerate African Americans, Hispanics, enyone for that matter. A good conservative is supposed to be one similar to a person in 18th century America. He is expected to be family oriented with Male being superior than females, is supposed to be god fearing i.e goes to Church every Sunday.
Their practices have evolved over last two centuries, and have changed dramatically as a result of continually changing political situation, and with the arrival & dominance of science in our day-to-day lives.
An important aspect missing in Conservatives is their respect for science. They still believe in Adam&Eve theory in which god created this earth in 6 days, as opposed to the theory of evolution. However, what makes them bigots is that when someone gets sick, they still go to a doctor, and not a church at the same time as having complete disrespect for Medical Sciences.
Republicans tend to be conservative, and have zero support from University students.
Conservatives truly believe in capitalism. An industrialist, by definition is a capitalist. Therefore, he tends to align himself with conservatives, and subsequently with Republicans.



Liberals, on the other hand, tend to be far more educated, and have an ability to analyze the situation, and have great respect for science. On a social level, they also support equality, albeit, in a different way. They want rich people to pay more tax so the poor can be uplifted. It doesn't work that way, is a different story.
I haven't come across a liberal who believes in Adam&even theory. Even though most go to a church, they do so for the sake of philosophy, and not to learn Pope's version of evolution. Liberals also tend to have a high degree of tolerence for other religions, and are willing to learn them. This stems from the fact that they are open to other ideas.


Half of America is educated, while the other half is not. Educated ones align themselves with Liberals, while uneducated do away being conservative. This is evident from the fact that most callers on a Rush Limbaugh (or Mike Savage) show do not give an impression that they ever went past high school.

American sociecty, by definition, is liberal.
Here's an example (not unique) of a professor at a famous university who believes in Biblical versions and shows loopholes in evolution theory....and mind you...this guy is a professor of engineering...so not all educated people are liberal and not all uneducated are conservative

http://www.me.psu.edu/cimbala/

click on his personal info. and further click on evolution/creation theory
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just stick to discussing laaloo, advani, vajpaye, thackray... auqaat mein raho
agar tumhara compass (divider) chhota hai to doosro ko chhota vartool/chakra banane ko kyon kehte ho?
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Ravi This is exactly how I have known liberalism and conservatism all my life.

Yeh dhurru saala English daav laga riya hai Saala, definition change kar raha hai Liberalism ko Conservatism ki tarah define kar kay bol raha hai, that's why I love conservatism

It's like saying, i don't eat meat... i just eat vegetables. My favorite vegetable has two legs, two wings, lotsa feathers and lays eggs
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Ravi This is exactly how I have known liberalism and conservatism all my life.

Yeh dhurru saala English daav laga riya hai Saala, definition change kar raha hai Liberalism ko Conservatism ki tarah define kar kay bol raha hai, that's why I love conservatism

It's like saying, i don't eat meat... i just eat vegetables. My favorite vegetable has two legs, two wings, lotsa feathers and lays eggs
Biggie....there are extremes in every party....by and large the american definition of a conservative is what I have mentioned. The south to some extent is still racist and was voting for liberals before republicans took over. It is complete nonsense to associate some of the southerners racist attitudes to that of conservatives. REcall that Carter was a liberal but was from Georgia, one of the strongest bastions of dixie folks.

It was the conservative REPUBLICAN party that delivered blacks from slavery...

I have already pointed out some of the prejudices in Ravi's arguments...one that says liberals are more educated than conservatives...

So, while the definition of liberal and conservative may be different elsewhere...what I say holds true in USA
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I agree when you say that the statement of Liberals being more educated than conservative is prejudiced.

But why do ya say conservatives ended slavery?? Just cos Abe Lincoln belonged to the Republican party?? Of course Abe had a big hand in getting the 13th amendment through, yet the abolishing of slavery is considered primarily a Liberal phenomenon. Even Abe lincoln was called a 'Liberal Republican'. The term liberal iteself signifies freedom, generosity, modernism et al.

And the liberals have a long list of achievements as well. Enterpreneurship and free enterprise, conservation of natural resources, medicare, social security, abolishing child labor, allowing mass immigrations, minimum wage law, employee benefits, regulatory boards for ensuring food quality, the labor movement, the 1960 civil rights movement... the list goes on. They were the liberals who opposed tooth and nail and finally ended the vietnam war.

Wasn't it Clinton who increased the Visa quota??? Who threw open the Green Card doors to immigrants in late nineties?
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