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Old July 17th, 2002, 10:52 AM
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Talking Gutkha, pan masala banned in Maharashtra

Just like they banned liquor in Gujarat

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Gutkha, pan masala banned in Maharashtra


PTI [ WEDNESDAY, JULY 17, 2002 5:40:36 PM ]

MUMBAI: In a far-reaching move aimed at deterring students and youths from falling prey to tobacco addictives, the Maharashtra government on Wednesday banned gutkha and pan masala in the state.


The ban will be effective from August 1, 2002, and violations will invite stringent penalities, Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh told a post-Cabinet meeting news conference here.


The ban has been imposed under Section 7(4) of the Food and Drug Adulteration (Prevention) Act, 1954, he said. The prohibition includes manufacturing of gutkha and pan masala (with or without tobacco), its storage, advertisements and sale, Deshmukh said.


The ban, to be enforced for a period of five years, would cost the state exchequer an annual revenue of Rs 25 crore, Deshmukh added.


With this decision, Maharashtra joins Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Goa and Gujarat in banning tobacco addictives.


Deshmukh said the state government would also write to Centre seeking a ban on tobacco-chewing products all over the country.


The government took the decision keeping in view public welfare as a recent survey conducted by the Indian Dental Association showed that 20 lakh youths including school and college students were addicted to gutkha and pan masala, Deshmukh added.

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Okay so you banned gutkha

Well, what about the politicians themselves who chew paan and tobacco with chuna (lime)?

I am all for such bans which will prevent our people from falling prey to tobacco.

But prohibition of any sort does not work! In GUjarat you can ask the local cops to deliver liquor to your house for a party. My close friend has lived in gujrat for some years and he has regualrly procured liquor from the local police!!

Andhra tried the liquor ban. What happened? People flocked to Maharashtra to booze. Andhra treasury went empty. Liquor bootlegging and liquor mafia started. Then sense prevailed and booze was back.

If you wish to prevent tobacco additives then one effective way would be to tax the products at a very high rate. Say if a pa masala costs Rs. 4 then slap a tax of Rs. 6 or some such high amount. I am sure most young students wont be able to afford such expensive habits.

You can always use methods like high taxation to deter tobacco usage. In India I knew of two brands which were very popular - Pan Paarag and ManickChand and they were fairly expensive at their time Rs. 3 per pouch. Then came a host of similar products selling for as low as Rs. 1 or 50 paise.

Put a very high tax and make the product expensive. Those who still wish to stain their teeth and can afford it will keep using it. For the others it will be a forceful way to stop chewing it.

Like in CA, the cigarette tax is very high. A local convenience store is run by a desi. He mentioned that since taxes are high folks who used to buy 5 packs a week are down to 2 or 3 packs max.

Offcourse the person chewing the tobacco or smoking is responsible for damage to their health.
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Re: Okay so you banned gutkha

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But prohibition of any sort does not work! In GUjarat you can ask the local cops to deliver liquor to your house for a party. My close friend has lived in gujrat for some years and he has regualrly procured liquor from the local police!!
Gujarat, unofficially, has the highest alcohol consumption in the country. Even more than punjab.
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Gujarat, unofficially, has the highest alcohol consumption in the country. Even more than punjab.
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Prohibition in USA also failed

It gave rise to the liquor and cigarette mafia.

You cannot force people to stop consuming liquor or cigarettes or chewing tobacco.

All you can do is -
Educate people on the ill effects of using these products.
Levy a very high tax on such products to discourage use.
Have restrictions like licenses for selling liquor, etc.

Any form of prohibition will give rise to bootlegging and corruption and the habits will continue unabated.

When in Mumbai I used to observe that most liquor shops would do more business just a day before Dry Day. Usualy Gandhi's birthday or some other religious ocassion would mean a Dry Day. Folks who might have not even thought of drinking on that day suddenly feel that the world will end and so they buy more liquor a day before. There were even some shops which would sell liquour to regular customers in the back alley.

This ban is a big mistake. Higher taxation would have worked.
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Re: Okay so you banned gutkha

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Offcourse the person chewing the tobacco or smoking is responsible for damage to their health.
The tobacco companies are equally responsible, are they not? Otherwise why did they have to pay billions of dollars as damages in class action lawsuits?
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Does chewing tobacco cause more damage to health than smoking ciggies or bidi's? Honest kochhan.
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Re: Prohibition in USA also failed

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It gave rise to the liquor and cigarette mafia.

You cannot force people to stop consuming liquor or cigarettes or chewing tobacco.

All you can do is -
Educate people on the ill effects of using these products.
Levy a very high tax on such products to discourage use.
Have restrictions like licenses for selling liquor, etc.

Any form of prohibition will give rise to bootlegging and corruption and the habits will continue unabated.

When in Mumbai I used to observe that most liquor shops would do more business just a day before Dry Day. Usualy Gandhi's birthday or some other religious ocassion would mean a Dry Day. Folks who might have not even thought of drinking on that day suddenly feel that the world will end and so they buy more liquor a day before. There were even some shops which would sell liquour to regular customers in the back alley.

This ban is a big mistake. Higher taxation would have worked.
after i started drinking.. i did not miss one Gandhi Birthday.. we had a party to celeberate his birthday.. every year... Hic!! Hic!!
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Does chewing tobacco cause more damage to health than smoking ciggies or bidi's? Honest kochhan.
Yes it is more harmful.
But in our Indian culture it is acceptable to chew tobacco but not smoke cigg. So the tobacco companies hit a gold mine with that. Even your grandmother can chew tobacco & that would be okay.
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The tobacco companies are equally responsible, are they not? Otherwise why did they have to pay billions of dollars as damages in class action lawsuits?
I really find it perverse that tobacco companies have to pay money for stupidity of smokers.

The tobacco companies clearly have lables on the packs which say Smoking in Injurious to Health.

Now if a dim wit ( I was one till recently) still decides to smoke then its the smoker's fault.

There are many things harmful in this world yet we consume them. Eating deep fried foods in excess causes other health problems. So should we sue the folks who make the cooking oil?
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I really find it perverse that tobacco companies have to pay money for stupidity of smokers.

The tobacco companies clearly have lables on the packs which say Smoking in Injurious to Health.

Now if a dim wit ( I was one till recently) still decides to smoke then its the smoker's fault.

There are many things harmful in this world yet we consume them. Eating deep fried foods in excess causes other health problems. So should we sue the folks who make the cooking oil?
in that case we should not have any prohibition at all. Drugs and prostitution should be allowed..

well if people are resposible why have a law at all
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Does chewing tobacco cause more damage to health than smoking ciggies or bidi's? Honest kochhan.
While cig smoking causes internal damage mainly, in tobacco there is a lot of visible, external damage. The teeth rot out and turn black. The mouth gets constricted because of the jaw tissues getting tightened.

I know a few gutka chewing guys who couldn't open their mouth wider what it takes to insert two fingers. I can insert 4

Try this test and let me know how many fingers can you insert? Fingers should not be bundled. The should be held tightly the same way they are in the form of a karate chop. Then insert the fingers in your mouth so that the index finger is touching your upper teeth.
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