Theory on the origins of Creation

[Sane Less]

Originally Posted by sgars

What were you drinking Sena lassi pai?

Now you are shooting the messenger Does it matter what I was drinking? Is there anything wrong in the theory

[razzrhino]

allow me to quote the nasadiya sukta

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
Nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat. ------------------> Big Bang ?


In the beginning desire descended on it.
That was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is kin to that which is not.


And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.


But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
The gods themselves are later than creation, -> gods came after the
creation happened -
they did not create ?
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?


Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.

[Aashika]

Originally Posted by razzrhino

allow me to quote the nasadiya sukta

Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
Nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat. ------------------> Big Bang ?


In the beginning desire descended on it.
That was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is kin to that which is not.


And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.


But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
The gods themselves are later than creation, -> gods came after the
creation happened -
they did not create ?
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?


Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.

so yes, nothing-ness.

[sarv_shaktimaan]

Originally Posted by razzrhino

allow me to quote the nasadiya sukta

Isn't this the song from Bharat ek Khoj?

नासदासीन नो सदासीत तदानीं नासीद रजो नो वयोमापरो यत |
किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद गहनं गभीरम ||

सृष्टि से पहले सत नहीं था
असत भी नहीं
अंतरिक्ष भी नहीं
आकाश भी नहीं था
छिपा था क्या, कहाँ
किसने ढका था
उस पल तो
अगम अतल जल भी कहां था

सृष्टि का कौन है कर्ता?
कर्ता है वह अकर्ता
ऊँचे आकाश में रहता
सदा अध्यक्ष बना रहता
वही सचमुच में जानता
या नहीं भी जानता
है किसी को नही पता
नही पता
नही है पता
नही है पता

वो था हिरण्य गर्भ सृष्टि से पहले विद्यमान
वही तो सारे भूत जाति का स्वामी महान
जो है अस्तित्वमान धरती आसमान धारण कर
ऐसे किस देवता की उपासना करें हम हवि देकर

जिस के बल पर तेजोमय है अंबर
पृथ्वी हरी भरी स्थापित स्थिर
स्वर्ग और सूरज भी स्थिर
ऐसे किस देवता की उपासना करें हम हवि देकर

गर्भ में अपने अग्नि धारण कर पैदा कर
व्यापा था जल इधर उधर नीचे ऊपर
जगा चुके व एकमेव प्राण बनकर
ऐसे किस देवता की उपासना करें हम हवि देकर

ऊँ! सृष्टि निर्माता, स्वर्ग रचयिता पूर्वज रक्षा कर
सत्य धर्म पालक अतुल जल नियामक रक्षा कर
फैली हैं दिशायें बाहु जैसी उसकी सब में सब पर
ऐसे ही देवता की उपासना करें हम हवि देकर
ऐसे ही देवता की उपासना करें हम हवि देकर

[razzrhino]

Originally Posted by sarv_shaktimaan

Isn't this the song from Bharat ek Khoj?

egjactly - i believe they used that in the bharat ek khoj series' although imo there are better translations from sanskrit than that one..

[sarv_shaktimaan]

Originally Posted by razzrhino

egjactly - i believe they used that in the bharat ek khoj series' although imo there are better translations from sanskrit than that one..

every time I watch any episode of Bharat ek Khoj.. I wanna kick that Nehru mofo. He's twisted history so much, and all his historian pups like Ramachandra cricket Guha, Irfan Habib, Romila Thapar, Panikkar, etc are continuing his leftist legacy.

They show a grown up Chandragupta approaches Chanakya to help him overthrow Dhana Nanda and become the king.. when actually Chanakya had raised and tutored him from childhood.

[sgars]

Originally Posted by Sane Less

Now you are shooting the messenger Does it matter what I was drinking? Is there anything wrong in the theory

Such copious creativity comes only on weed, alcohol or when you are crapping.

I would ask you the same question you ask Jagguji* every time. 'Kehna kya chahte ho'. Could you summarize in 3 lines your theory. Like Bible is inconsistent within itself. Religion is all hogwash as proved by Darwin, etc.


*Has he hacked my phone- it shows up on auto correct.

[Sane Less]

I thought it was simple and straightforward in the theory. Just took the bible and twisted it a little bit. Now since when has the bible become a twisted and knotted story... like that other book of peace

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Sane Less

I thought I was simple and straightforward in the theory. Just took the bible and twisted it a little bit. Now since when has the bible become a twisted and knotted story... like that other book of peace

Who will read 20+ steps?
Maybe you can divide them into 3 or 5 main steps. Then it will be more readable.

[Napolean]

So you have read Bible and Quran. What else?

[Sane Less]

Are we talking just religious books... or all books, in general

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Sane Less

Are we talking just religious books... or all books, in general

religious books.

[Sane Less]

Originally Posted by Napolean

religious books.

Quite a lot... though every one of them is so boring and outdated that I could never finish any. So you can call my knowledge of religious books as half-arse-hearted... and that can be very dangerous

If only religious books were as interesting as Resnick & Halliday books or Young and Freedman books...

[rationalthinker]

i've surmised (long ago) that religions are essentially 'politics in the name of God'--------they tell what's considered 'good', 'bad','pleasing to the God(s)', etc.. They also tell you what to eat, what to wear, how to behave with 'people of other faiths' etc.. etc..
Unfortunately, we continue to have 'die hard believers' still accepting that man was created 8-9 thousand years ago, thye earth is flat, and the sun etc,, move around it etc.. etc..
I guess the sanatani concept of 'Swadharma' (--a synergy of acquired knowledge and one's own capabilities realized thru that knowledge, and experience etc.., in leading a basically non-violent and useful life etc..) based spiritualism is, in a way, one of the better ways of living one's life.
Of course, those who have a vested interest in propagating 'their religions' are bound to create problems------but that, ironically, is actually helping in hastening the 'progress' towards Swadharma.