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Old November 18th, 2003, 07:06 AM
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Talking why converted religious elements hurt more

Two men from Gujarat screwed up India....and both were from Kathiawar (Saurashtra)....and the third tried to desperately unite India to the best of his capabilities

the screw ups were Gandhi and Jinnah...and the guy who tried to unite India (by hook or crook) was Sardar Patel

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed_Ali_Jinnah

did you also know that Jinnah's father was a convert from Hinduism?

Also, it was an idiot called Allama Iqbal who first came up with an idea of a Pakistan...and this idiot was in third generation of converts (from Kashmiri Pandit ancestry)

so folks, what is it about converts that hurts India the most....don't start the caste system nonsense here because both Jinnah (a bania) and Iqbal (from Brahmin heritage) were viciously anti-Hindu

or does it go by the saying..."Naya musalman pyaaj jaada khata hai" to prove his devotion to Islam?
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What exactly is your question o tripavanji?
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Old November 18th, 2003, 07:27 AM
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Dhuru, in India, all apart from Hindus and Parsis are converted. They were all originally Hindus before the Moghuls and Europeans invaded India.
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I think the answer lies in "Why does an individual convert in the first place?"
According to me,people convert to other religions because of the foll reasons:

1.Like some christian missionaries who promise the poor person food,shelter etc.
2.The person is actually inspired by the other religion.He likes the principles etc of that religion.

So,we can safely draw the conclusion that a person converts to another religion when he is fed up or disappointed due to his own religion.
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Old November 18th, 2003, 07:39 AM
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I think the answer lies in "Why does an individual convert in the first place?"
According to me,people convert to other religions because of the foll reasons:

1.Like some christian missionaries who promise the poor person food,shelter etc.
2.The person is actually inspired by the other religion.He likes the principles etc of that religion.

So,we can safely draw the conclusion that a person converts to another religion when he is fed up or disappointed due to his own religion.
I can understand "dalits" converting...but brahmins and banias??
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I can understand "dalits" converting...but brahmins and banias??
For them reason no. 2 given by Vipul would be the one.
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besides the two reasons given by vipul the third is that most of the muslims in India were forcefully converted to islam in older days. it is a historical fact. every mugal king did that, every invader from middle east did that. they impossedislam on hindus. a very small fraction of hindus might have converted just for food and shelter or by inspiration. and the generations after the convertion were natural muslims, true to the teaching that try to harm the very country you live in by all the means. i. e. jis thaali main khaoo usme ched jaroor kar do. so this shows in the behavior of converted muslims and the problems world is facing due to muslims. (all the muslims are converted from one religion or other any way)
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Religion of Islam, as we know it today, started in 6th century A.D. Hardly, 1500 years ago. That makes every muslim that ever existed either a 'convert' or the descendent of a 'convert'.

And inspite of all whinings and b1tchings from the pakkidosts of the world, Islam continues to grow and is the fastest growing religion in the world. So eat your hearts out
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And inspite of all whinings and b1tchings from the pakkidosts of the world, Islam continues to grow and is the fastest growing religion in the world. So eat your hearts out
And everyone knows how it is growing - by force, right? or by doing stuff like 9/11?
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Religion of Islam, as we know it today, started in 6th century A.D. Hardly, 1500 years ago. That makes every muslim that ever existed either a 'convert' or the descendent of a 'convert'.

And inspite of all whinings and b1tchings from the pakkidosts of the world, Islam continues to grow and is the fastest growing religion in the world. So eat your hearts out

YEP it is the fastest growing religion. With four wives and freedom to reproduce at the rate even pigs cant compete, it is ought to be the fastest growing religion. the faster they grow the nearer the d day comes.
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And everyone knows how it is growing - by force, right? or by doing stuff like 9/11?
By force?? How so?? Kindly explain.

911 should have deterred people from conversion. The media and the whiny-insecure ones did their best to make 911 a reflection of Islam. This should have stopped the spread. But ironically, the rate of conversions increased in the months following 911. Kinda amazing, isn't it? Even I am not sure why this happened.

(911 had nothing to do with Islam. But then, that's a different discussion altogether)
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YEP it is the fastest growing religion. With four wives and freedom to reproduce at the rate even pigs cant compete, it is ought to be the fastest growing religion. the faster they grow the nearer the d day comes.
It's your insecurity and bitterness that prompts you to use words like pigs. I wouldn't need that.

Since you are kinda dense, let me make it simpler. By spread, I did not imply the population of muslims. By spread I implied the number of 'CONVERTS'.

Four wives? Cheer up. You might not be so lucky.
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It's your insecurity and bitterness that prompts you to use words like pigs. I wouldn't need that.

Since you are kinda dense, let me make it simpler. By spread, I did not imply the population of muslims. By spread I implied the number of 'CONVERTS'.

Four wives? Cheer up. You might not be so lucky.
YOU CONVERTED? WHY?
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