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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:41 PM
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We shall be known by the delicacy of where we stop short.” Robert Frost’s beautiful line bears repetition at a time when we are maxed out on Mumbai. While an avalanche of 26/11 commemoration was only to be expected, the tawdriness has been truly remarkable. Candles were lit and hands were linked across the country, schoolchildren made to paint placards with earnest, empty platitudes they cannot begin to comprehend. Nariman House, the site of unspeakable violence, was thrown open to the public as another venue for this tacky festival. Television retrospectives and discussions have plonked every nerve, as
survivors, state officials, politicians and randomly chosen movie stars weighed in on the tragedy. The city’s morning rush hour was interpreted as evidence of its spirit and resilience. Meanwhile, Mumbai has become a fairground for terror, and T-shirts and souvenirs probably aren’t far away.

If we recoil from this spectacle, it is not from embarrassment about vulgar emotion — public sorrow usually has its own valid, self-involved logic, and should not be compared against the feelings of those personally affected by the tragedy. But there is something especially suspect and mass-manufactured about all this public grief — with India’s long and terrible history of terrorist attacks, it is demeaning and silly to attempt a 9/11-style circus of commemoration. After all, 9/11 was a moment of rupture and genuine incomprehension for Americans, and they reacted like a country that had been sucker-punched. Ground Zero became a spontaneous shrine, messages and poems and keepsakes fluttered through the devastated site. There were parades of mourning, and street-corner discussions, and through it all, the sense of a country trying to understand what just happened.

In India, that kind of memorialising seems not just imitative, but also mawkish and fake, especially when it’s state-sponsored. Mumbai Police, for instance, paraded from Trident hotel to Girgaum Chowpatty, showing off shiny new weaponry from AK-47s to amphibious vehicles — reminding us of how they were failed by shoddy equipment and slack reflexes last November. What makes this carnival of remembrance especially awful is how little has changed in Mumbai, how easy the aftermath was for those who should have been held accountable.

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What stupid logic and what shameless words..
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What stupid logic and what shameless words..
pakki ji..

we almost "commemorated" on the lines of republic day and independence day, thank god it was just limited to Mumbai. as we were busy with all those activities of candle light vigils, wall painting etc..the rouge neighbor issued a statement saying we will show proof of terror sponsored by india in pukeland.

we have shown to the world that as a nation we could not do anything even after a year..but yes we can do candle light vigils, wall painting, write emotional slogans and make our police march on marine drive. Thats all we did ..till today. Our dear PM had issued a statement saying ..."good that i have restrained myself to take any action against pukeland." Advani ji and Pranab ji had an argument in parliment...thats all.
let us brace for next round of attacks...because the enemy did get the message that whatever mischief they do , we cannot retaliate in any way.
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Re: 26/11 anniversary - overdose of drama

Last time I was sure that people will be so angry that India will be stirred into action. But alas I misread the popular sentiment and so did the BJP and SS. I think India deserves to be ruled by the Kangress.

It's just a matter of time before the next attack happens. But then who cares
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Last time I was sure that people will be so angry that India will be stirred into action. But alas I misread the popular sentiment and so did the BJP and SS. I think India deserves to be ruled by the Kangress.

It's just a matter of time before the next attack happens. But then who cares
Ok but what do you suggest that people do?
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Ok but what do you suggest that people do?
Remeber Gandhi ji and the sacrifices he made for India. Think of the Rs 55 Crore that he paid to Pakistan inspite of 1.5Million Hindus killed and displaced from Paskistan during partition.

maybe India should give 10 tonnes of Gold to Pakistan as a gift following Gandhiji's footsteps as a mark of sacrifice. we should have a new tax Pakistan development fund in which we should contribute 6% of our annual salary for Pakistan. Gandhiji ki jai!
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Remeber Gandhi ji and the sacrifices he made for India. Think of the Rs 55 Crore that he paid to Pakistan inspite of 1.5Million Hindus killed and displaced from Paskistan during partition.

maybe India should give 10 tonnes of Gold to Pakistan as a gift following Gandhiji's footsteps as a mark of sacrifice. we should have a new tax Pakistan development fund in which we should contribute 6% of our annual salary for Pakistan. Gandhiji ki jai!
when you want to make a suggestion make one which makes sense. What is the point in stating things which aren't going to be possible?
Perhaps you are striving for action/fighting with Pakistan and killing each and every citizen living there. Have you considered what impact it would globally have on India? Going on a war is not as easy as saying "lets go for a war". even if a war is declared, will you be going to Pakistan to fight? No. You will sit and brood over how the policies and procedures are to be written.

No offense but just giving speech about how lame India is and how differently you would have reacted to a given situation doesn't make you a happening person or a happening thought of yours.
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No offense but just giving speech about how lame India is and how differently you would have reacted to a given situation doesn't make you a happening person or a happening thought of yours.
At least we could have hanged Afzal and Kasab to pass on a message. One year is long time.
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At least we could have hanged Afzal and Kasab to pass on a message. One year is long time.
Tell me...what do you think is stopping from executing him? I have already heard many say that we are afraid. I am looking for more of an explanation. Surely there should be more to it than just being afraid.
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when you want to make a suggestion make one which makes sense. What is the point in stating things which aren't going to be possible?
Perhaps you are striving for action/fighting with Pakistan and killing each and every citizen living there. Have you considered what impact it would globally have on India? Going on a war is not as easy as saying "lets go for a war". even if a war is declared, will you be going to Pakistan to fight? No. You will sit and brood over how the policies and procedures are to be written.

No offense but just giving speech about how lame India is and how differently you would have reacted to a given situation doesn't make you a happening person or a happening thought of yours.
Not a war but certainly we need a change in the govt. Also, we need to crack down on these Muslims. Thats the only way out.
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when you want to make a suggestion make one which makes sense. What is the point in stating things which aren't going to be possible?
Perhaps you are striving for action/fighting with Pakistan and killing each and every citizen living there. Have you considered what impact it would globally have on India? Going on a war is not as easy as saying "lets go for a war". even if a war is declared, will you be going to Pakistan to fight? No. You will sit and brood over how the policies and procedures are to be written.

No offense but just giving speech about how lame India is and how differently you would have reacted to a given situation doesn't make you a happening person or a happening thought of yours.
By the way if all major cities in India North south east and west all faced what India faced at the same time. Tens of thousands were to have been killed and at the same time Manmohan Singh offered to donate to Pakistan 10 tonnes of Indian gold. What would you feel like doing to him?
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Re: 26/11 anniversary - overdose of drama

We haven't hanged Kasab for the same reasons that Afzal Guru still lives.. Due process of law. We are not lawless as them.

What a citizen can do, apart from the candle light shoshaybaji, is put in more of PERSONAL EFFORT AND TIME to show his willingness to defend, I repeat DEFEND himself and his own people and land. I don't see any upspurt in enrolment for any civic defence movements. I don't see people queuing up to join TA (Territorial Army) or Home Guards or forming any Suraksha Samitis. I don't see parents exhorting their kids to take up NCC or such. I don't see citizens putting in sustained discipline effort to form a stronger society so that even the outsiders get a message of our willingness.

I am not saying that the citizens should form militias, but at least some regular training/updates on defence should be attended to, regularly, where something more than talk/discussion takes place.

Surat witnessed serious Hindu-Muslim riots in 1992. After that the Police commissioner encouraged formation of Ekta Committees and "Friends of Police" groups. The result was that after '92, there hasn't been any major communal clashes here. Even in 2002, when many parts of Gujarat were burning, Surat only some minor incidences which were quelled in a space of hours.

Last year, when umpteen number of bombs were found in the city (which thankfully didn't burst because of electronic malfunction), the citizens were alert for such things and didn't hesitate to report it to the police. Resultantly, adequate security and defusing was ensured by the Police.

What the mumbaikar need to do, Viking friend, is to take time out of the fast life, to attend some civic defence classes, send more kids for NCC, maybe enrol for territorial army (it needs a month a year and you get paid leave from your job). Sustained disciplined effort.

We spend all our time ranting against the government and police and terrorists, but when ONE gunman appears on the scene, even a mob vanishes.

Anyone here attended scouts? Remember the motto "Be Prepared"
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Not a war but certainly we need a change in the govt. Also, we need to crack down on these Muslims. Thats the only way out.
If we need a change in the govt, what is it that we (common man) is doing for it? What have you done to support the other parties?
Congress held rallies (and what not) gaining popularity while the other parties has not managed to reach to the public the way congress did.
If it means that BJP (or any other party) has to fall down to Congress's level, then so be it! Once they are in to power they can do all the good they actually intend to.

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By the way if all major cities in India North south east and west all faced what India faced at the same time. Tens of thousands were to have been killed and at the same time Manmohan Singh offered to donate to Pakistan 10 tonnes of Indian gold. What would you feel like doing to him?
I choose not to answer this question as this is highly hypothetical situation (not 1000's of people being killed but the PM donating gold to Pakistan).
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By the way if all major cities in India North south east and west all faced what India faced at the same time. Tens of thousands were to have been killed and at the same time Manmohan Singh offered to donate to Pakistan 10 tonnes of Indian gold. What would you feel like doing to him?
I wonder how the line has to be read.....
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And to top things the cost of keeping the sole terrorist alive is Rs31 crore and still counting http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/5269730.cms
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