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Old October 3rd, 2009, 06:35 PM
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babu hyderabadi , krishnadevaraya was a great king no doubt , but he is not equal to shivaji.

look ,I do not want to denigrate his acheivements which were splendid ,but you should remember that he inherited a vast empire already created by his predecessors .

that is he went on to make even greater remains his acheivement.

but shivaji inherited nothing but the barren small estate of his father ,nothing else.

he created a powerful kingdom out of literaly nothing ,in the seventeenth century.

above all he set up an example and unleashed such a force , that the marathas went on to become greater after his death .

not only did they beat back the armies of aurangzeb after a quarter century of savage conflict , but went on to capture delhi itself in the era of mahadji scindia, a predecessor of madhavrao scindia.

vijaynagar may have become great in the reign of krishnadevaraya , but he did not destroy its enemies.

after his death , the muslim sultanates of the deccan combined to crush the vijaynagar armies in the battle of talikota and sacked and destroyed its magnificient capital city.

'' never before in the history of the world has such havoc been wrought , and wrought so suddenly ,on so splendid a city ..........teeming with a population in the full plenitude of prosperity one day .........and on the next , sacked ,pillaged and ruined in a orgy of horrors beggaring description'' , says a historian.

part of the responsibility for the destruction of vijaynagar lies with krishnadevaraya , for he left the muslim sultanates intact when he could have destroyed them .

they waited for his death ,and then destroyed vijaynagar..........

so he , though great ,is not an equal of shivaji.

the telgu people do not , indeed should not........... feel the same for him that the maharashtrians feel for shivaji.

in all of india there is only one man who can command the same respect as shivaji ..........and that is rana pratap.

yet even he could not galvanise the rajputs to defy the mughal legions like shivaji did.

the other rajput kingdoms , like marwar and bikaner ,remained aloof from his struggle .

unlike shivaji ,who inspired his lowly countrymen , even after his death ,to fight the mighty mughal legions, the rajputs ,inspite of their noble birth ,did not fight the mughals after the death of the gallant rana.

not surprisingly ,one of the marathas rightly and proudly declares .........'' the chhatrapati was no doubt an incarnation of the goddess bhavani................no such hero was ever born in this whole hindustan, nor will their be any ,in the days to come !!! ''
shivaji's clan was more of a one hit wonder, unlike SKD. they ruled for 200 years
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just because someone rules for thousands of years does not mean they are greater .. SKD may have been really great but CSR's achievements is not diminished by his short span..
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Re: PIL Against the Shivaji Statue in the Ocean

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shivaji's clan was more of a one hit wonder, unlike SKD. they ruled for 200 years
Not all kings of vijaynagar belonged to the clan of krishnadevaraya.

the empire was ruled by four clans , first by the sangamas........ then by the saluvas........then by the tuluvas ...........then by the aravidus.

he belonged to the tuluvas.

but the vijaynagar empire was destroyed by the muslims while the marathas never were.

the maratha empire lasted more than 150 years and inspite of suffering a defeat in the third battle of panipat ,recovered to rule delhi, keeping the mughal emperor as puppet.

it was eventually defeated by the british ,not by superior bravery , but because of technological superiority.

shivajis clan may have produced a one hit wonder ,but more important was the example he set , which fired the marathas in a zeal to liberate the country from muslim domination.

and other clans ,notably the peshwas ,were ready to take up the task that shivaji had left for them.

they managed to free some parts of the country from muslim domination and above all ,unlike vijaynagar ,were never finished by the muslims.

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Not all kings of vijaynagar belonged to the clan of krishnadevaraya.

the empire was ruled by four clans , first by the sangamas........ then by the saluvas........then by the tuluvas ...........then by the aravidus.

he belonged to the tuluvas.

but the vijaynagar empire was destroyed by the muslims while the marathas never were.

the maratha empire lasted more than 150 years and inspite of suffering a defeat in the third battle of panipat ,recovered to rule delhi, keeping the mughal emperor as puppet.

it was eventually defeated by the british ,not by superior bravery , but because of technological superiority.

shivajis clan may have produced a one hit wonder ,but more important was the example he set , which fired the marathas in a zeal to liberate the country from muslim domination.

and other clans ,notably the peshwas ,were ready to take up the task that shivaji had left for them.

they managed to free some parts of the country from muslim domination and above all ,unlike vijaynagar ,were never finished by the muslims.
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Shivaji statue in sea is foolish, says balasaheb thakeray

Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray on Sunday described the Congress-NCP government's proposal to erect a statue of Chhatrapati Shivaji in the sea off Marine Drive, Mumbai, as "foolish".

In an interview to his party organ Saamna, he said there was already a statue of Shivaji near Gateway of India which was close to the sea. His remarks came as a surprise considering that the Sena derives its inspiration from the Maratha warrior king.

However, Sena chief executive Uddhav Thackeray clarified that Balasaheb was not opposed to the project as such. He told TOI: "The Congress-NCP has been in power for the past 10 years. Why did it not implement the project? It announced it only on the eve of the assembly elections with an eye on votes. It is the non-serious attitude of this government which we find objectionable. It may be recalled that Balasaheb himself had inaugurated a huge statue of Shivaji Maharaj outside the air terminal at Sahar."

Meanwhile, the politics of statues has taken a new turn with senior NCP leader Vijay Kamble demanding a memorial to Dalit champion Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar at Dadar at a cost of Rs 700 crore.

The Congress-NCP in its manifesto has touched upon this issue. But Kamble has got a commitment from senior leaders of these parties that the Ambedkar project will be implemented on top priority after the October 13 polls.

Kamble denied his demand was meant to counter the proposal for a Shivaji memorial off Marine Drive.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5087782.cms

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Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray on Sunday described the Congress-NCP government's proposal to erect a statue of Chhatrapati Shivaji in the sea off Marine Drive, Mumbai, as "foolish".

In an interview to his party organ Saamna, he said there was already a statue of Shivaji near Gateway of India which was close to the sea. His remarks came as a surprise considering that the Sena derives its inspiration from the Maratha warrior king.

However, Sena chief executive Uddhav Thackeray clarified that Balasaheb was not opposed to the project as such. He told TOI: "The Congress-NCP has been in power for the past 10 years. Why did it not implement the project? It announced it only on the eve of the assembly elections with an eye on votes. It is the non-serious attitude of this government which we find objectionable. It may be recalled that Balasaheb himself had inaugurated a huge statue of Shivaji Maharaj outside the air terminal at Sahar."

Meanwhile, the politics of statues has taken a new turn with senior NCP leader Vijay Kamble demanding a memorial to Dalit champion Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar at Dadar at a cost of Rs 700 crore.

The Congress-NCP in its manifesto has touched upon this issue. But Kamble has got a commitment from senior leaders of these parties that the Ambedkar project will be implemented on top priority after the October 13 polls.

Kamble denied his demand was meant to counter the proposal for a Shivaji memorial off Marine Drive.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5087782.cms
even the idiot of bombay thinks its foolish. Its high time the intellectuals make up their mind.
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even the idiot of bombay thinks its foolish. Its high time the intellectuals make up their mind.
Nahi, they are just playing statue-statue. Remember this game, used to play when I was little. You just point your finger (like you point a gun) and say statue... and whoever it is pointed at freezes. Well, in this political game... the statue literally freezes
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Nahi, they are just playing statue-statue. Remember this game, used to play when I was little. You just point your finger (like you point a gun) and say statue... and whoever it is pointed at freezes. Well, in this political game... the statue literally freezes
I propose a statue of Sambhajee Maharaj.... people don't know much about him... so there would be lesser protests....
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I propose a statue of Sambhajee Maharaj.... people don't know much about him... so there would be lesser protests....
I want my statue too, and roads named after, mantralaya renamed after me.. people don't know enough about me either..
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I want my statue too, and roads named after, mantralaya renamed after me.. people don't know enough about me either..
shivaji built the maratha kingdom to protect the hindus from muslim domination.

sambhaji died a brutal death at the hands of aurangzeb for refusing to convert to islam, his tongue being chopped , eyes being gouged out ,his skin flayed while still alive ( khaal khinchi gayee )and his body being cut piece by piece before being fed to the dogs.

it was for these sacrifices that people would like their statues.
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I want my statue too, and roads named after, mantralaya renamed after me.. people don't know enough about me either..
ok...whom do you want your statue to be named after.. Mayawati?.. or may be Shivajee Maharaj himself.. see no one can protest as it would be your statue....and it can still be called Shivajee... anyways who knows for sure how Shivajee used to look like..
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ok...whom do you want your statue to be named after.. Mayawati?.. or may be Shivajee Maharaj himself.. see no one can protest as it would be your statue....and it can still be called Shivajee... anyways who knows for sure how Shivajee used to look like..
This is called ek patthar se do shiqaar..
Bhau... I cna understand the humor, but please yaar... why make fun of poor Shivaji Maharaj. He might be furious if he was present now to see how his name is being politicised.
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Bhau... I cna understand the humor, but please yaar... why make fun of poor Shivaji Maharaj. He might be furious if he was present now to see how his name is being politicised.
Hmmm.... you are right... i apologise.
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sambhaji died a brutal death at the hands of aurangzeb for refusing to convert to islam
Ha.. I had married a muslim. I did not convert.. Nobody from the other side took on me, because I had arranged enough 'protection'.

it was for these sacrifices that people would like their statues. So, I too deserve a statue.
Death is not the only martyrdom, nor necessarily a symbol of patriotism. Staying alive and standing up to the opponents is bigger patriotism. I guess that's why Shivaji is most revered of the marathas.
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